Welp, Trump has no chance of winning now

[TimHauck 2,877]

Hopefully someone else wins the primary.

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Yes.  Sending the abortion issue to the states is much worse than Bidenflation, WWIII, terrorists and cartels seizing our border, being forced to give up gas stoves/cars/appliances, facing violent transgender assassin squads, unaffordable housing, ending US sovereignty…

[thegeneral 3,214]

Trump will just change the answer next group he’s speaking to. He’s in Iowa for this one

[edjr 6,592]

14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump will just change the answer next group he’s speaking to. He’s in Iowa for this one

name anyone ever in the history of POTUS that didn’t lie to get elected 

[TimHauck 2,877]

Just now, edjr said:

name anyone ever in the history of POTUS that didn’t lie to get elected 

Dems planning their commercials now using this video

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

Libtards liked it much better when their newfound rino friends were all talk and no action. That’s why they are so ascared of the bad orange man. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

name anyone ever in the history of POTUS that didn’t lie to get elected 

Don is next level. One of the funniest parts is his fanboys racing into to explain how it is actually all true.

[RLLD 4,230]

It's congruent with his failures as a politician.  His inability to lie and spin is perhaps his greatest weakness.....as a politician.

A good politician would avoid the topic entirely, and when cornered that politician would skirt it, avoid, not answer directly etc....

I think it foolish to celebrate the move, not just because I support abortion, but because the people who DO support it will already be voting for him, and the people on the fence might use it later in their choice.

The real question is whether or not people will elevate abortion, which is now set and is not likely to be changed, above the well-being of themselves and their family in day-to-day living....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Don is next level. One of the funniest parts is his fanboys racing into to explain how it is actually all true.

Your guy had to drop out of a presidential race for plagiarism.  Also was disciplined for the same in college. Also claimed to have been arrested trying to see Mandela. And said he used to “sneak” into the black church every Sunday as a kid. Why did he have to sneak? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Your guy had to drop out of a presidential race for plagiarism.  Also was disciplined for the same in college. Also claimed to have been arrested trying to see Mandela. And said he used to “sneak” into the black church every Sunday as a kid. Why did he have to sneak? 

Whatabout Trobadour! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Whatabout Trobadour! 

Truth hurts.  I win. 

[jonmx 2,429]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Your guy had to drop out of a presidential race for plagiarism.  Also was disciplined for the same in college. Also claimed to have been arrested trying to see Mandela. And said he used to “sneak” into the black church every Sunday as a kid. Why did he have to sneak? 

He did not think hid black face was very convincing. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It's congruent with his failures as a politician.  His inability to lie and spin is perhaps his greatest weakness.....as a politician.

A good politician would avoid the topic entirely, and when cornered that politician would skirt it, avoid, not answer directly etc....

I think it foolish to celebrate the move, not just because I support abortion, but because the people who DO support it will already be voting for him, and the people on the fence might use it later in their choice.

The real question is whether or not people will elevate abortion, which is now set and is not likely to be changed, above the well-being of themselves and their family in day-to-day living....

There are a block of voters who abortion is the number one issue.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Truth hurts.  I win. 

You and your imaginary scorecard

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

There are a block of voters who abortion is the number one issue.

Absolutely.  And his brazen stance on one of THE MOST divisive issues is just plain stupid, there is no other way to frame it.

On the one hand I am gratified that we have someone seeking power who speaks forthrightly, but then again I also wish he would just STFU too  

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

Absolutely.  And his brazen stance on one of THE MOST divisive issues is just plain stupid, there is no other way to frame it.

On the one hand I am gratified that we have someone seeking power who speaks forthrightly, but then again I also wish he would just STFU too  

Back to my point is he will just change this around depending on who he is talking to then say the media is mean to him.

It’s fine. Just a game but the guy has like two moves. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

There are a block of voters who abortion is the number one issue.

Yeah. They would vote for Trump if he was just pro abortion, overlooking his racism and being Hitler. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Absolutely.  And his brazen stance on one of THE MOST divisive issues is just plain stupid, there is no other way to frame it.

On the one hand I am gratified that we have someone seeking power who speaks forthrightly, but then again I also wish he would just STFU too  

Sorry, the abortion issue is important for down ballot candidates.  Not Trump. Him being pro abortion isn’t swaying many people. He’s Hitler.  

[TimHauck 2,877]

Although Desantis had some abortion decisions that won’t do him any favors as well.

What’s Vivek’s stance?

[jonmx 2,429]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

I think it foolish to celebrate the move, not just because I support abortion, but because the people who DO support it will already be voting for him, and the people on the fence might use it later in their choice.

 

Trump gave an honest answer. This issue cuts both ways.  Strong supporters of abortion would never vote for Trump anyways.  But Trump could do better at framing the issue pointing out abortion was not banned, but allows states to choose reasonable restrictions on abortion such as late abortion and parental consent restrictions in line with democratic principles. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Back to my point is he will just change this around depending on who he is talking to then say the media is mean to him.

It’s fine. Just a game but the guy has like two moves. 

Maybe.  If you observe that happening I would welcome a link or some notification.  Because that behavior is not something I have observed him doing well, and its a necessary skill to be a good politician.  

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sorry, the abortion issue is important for down ballot candidates.  Not Trump. Him being pro abortion isn’t swaying many people. He’s Hitler.  

Not sure I agree with you.

[MDC 7,429]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It's congruent with his failures as a politician.  His inability to lie and spin is perhaps his greatest weakness.....as a politician.

Never thought I’d see the day someone said Trump’s honesty is his biggest weakness.  

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, jonmx said:

Trump gave an honest answer. This issue cuts both ways.  Strong supporters of abortion would never vote for Trump anyways.  But Trump could do better at framing the issue pointing out abortion was not banned, but allows states to choose reasonable restrictions on abortion such as late abortion and parental consent restrictions in line with democratic principles. 

Agree.   And this is part of the reason I prefer him as a candidate.  But politics requires a little more skill in the area of lying. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. They would vote for Trump if he was just pro abortion, overlooking his racism and being Hitler. 

I think he’s more an Orange Mussolini

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, MDC said:

Never thought I’d see the day someone said Trump’s honesty is his biggest weakness.  

But it is.   When he speaks, he lacks that "voice in his head" that should tell him to STFU.....its an example of his hubris.

[edjr 6,592]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

What’s Vivek’s stance?

He climbs in there himself and rips out the fetus. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

Just now, RLLD said:

Not sure I agree with you.

Well, I just can’t see many people saying “I was considering Trump until Roe”.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

He climbs in there himself and rips out the fetus. 

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, I just can’t see many people saying “I was considering Trump until Roe”.  

Correct.   But he needs to chip away at those in the middle, where the non-zealots live.  And highlighting abortion is not an effective way to do that. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Man the anti-Trump ads will feast off of this and January 6th.

I'd also start listing out the utter disaster of an economy he left for Biden.  But for some reasons dems can't message their way out of a wet paper bag.

Too busy making sure every kid gets secret gender reassignment surgery and that everyday is drag queen story hour I guess. 

[MDC 7,429]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But it is.   When he speaks, he lacks that "voice in his head" that should tell him to STFU.....its an example of his hubris.

Not having a filter doesn’t necessarily = honesty. I agree that Trump has the self control of a toddler but he also lies as much as any politician I’ve seen. My question is always whether they’re lies or if he’s a nutter who believes his own malarkey. I’m on the fence there.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,436]

Liberals hate the trans issue that they vote for. Don’t even want it mentioned. It’s a big loser. Hell, the centrists here say they are against it. Vote for it, but are against it. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

This affects absolutely nothing

democrats absolutely love abortion and the happiest people in the world are the politicians this helps

democrats also did zero to codify and don’t want that either or the lose a lot of their base. It’s the same with republicans on the border

[jonmx 2,429]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Man the anti-Trump ads will feast off of this and January 6th.

I'd also start listing out the utter disaster of an economy he left for Biden.  But for some reasons dems can't message their way out of a wet paper bag.

Too busy making sure every kid gets secret gender reassignment surgery and that everyday is drag queen story hour I guess. 

 

You act as though the media has not been beating the drum of January 6th endlessly for three years now.   Trump still leads the poles.  Besides Biden getting RFK jr and Trump off the ballot makes a joke out of how Trump is a threat to Democracy when Joe does not even allow Democracy. 

[weepaws 3,193]

Just another sad attempt to gain votes, they all do it, and then do little.  Sad.  

[jerryskids 6,799]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Although Desantis had some abortion decisions that won’t do him any favors as well.

What’s Vivek’s stance?

I'm not sure why you think this is a primary issue.  General election, yes, and that's my fear.  '22 elections were decided by young white single women (read: lefties) who rallied in droves to vote against abortion bans.

To other comments:  it's not about changing the vote, it's about rallying people to actually vote.  Biden elicits virtually zero enthusiasm.  If Trump would just shut his mouth he'd probably walk away with the election.  But that will never happen.  A large reason Trump does all of this is to listen to himself give the best speeches, the most beautiful speeches.  

The Left will, smartly, play up this issue bigly as the year progresses.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Shock Poll!!!1!

[RLLD 4,230]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not having a filter doesn’t necessarily = honesty. I agree that Trump has the self control of a toddler but he also lies as much as any politician I’ve seen. My question is always whether they’re lies or if he’s a nutter who believes his own malarkey. I’m on the fence there.  

He is too forthright, maybe "honest" is not the right term.  His issue is that his life experience makes him take this "fock you and the horse you rode in on" stance.    He lacks political savvy.   A good politician knows when and how to lie.  If he has any intention of lying, he sucks at it.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

He is too forthright, maybe "honest" is not the right term.  His issue is that his life experience makes him take this "fock you and the horse you rode in on" stance.    He lacks political savvy.   A good politician knows when and how to lie.  If he has any intention of lying, he sucks at it.

Trump lies all the time and it's well documented.  What you're describing is that Trump doesn't know when or how to shut up and he thinks his bluntness and brashness is an asset when it's not, unless you're in the cult then you love it.