Jasmine Crockett tells it like it is

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The border is secure because there is no current wave of people trying to get in. The border has been secure for the last 9 months or so. After the next crisis in Latin America the border will not be secure again. 

What was the crisis in Latin America? 

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

Fair enough. I agree that his responses to you are not always reasonable; I would say the same about your responses to him. Which, again, is ironic in a focked up way, since you are both usually respectful toward others. And of course his views are partisan-- show me someone here that isn't. You are, I am, the best and worst of "both sides" are.

I'll leave it alone now. I appreciate both your contributions, I just don't like it when mommy and daddy fight 

PS: Tim, you are clearly the mommy. No offense.

 

Had Rep. Crocket referred to Gov Abbot as the Travell Agent in Chief, or as Governor Greyhound, or as the Mayflower Van lines Governor I could believe, and would have believed, her explanation.  Governor Hot Wheels, well her explanation does not pass the sniff test.

 

As for Tim, I don't care that he is liberal.  You are quite liberal and I like and respect you. I get along with the liberals here because on many issues I am liberal.  True I am fiscally conservative and I am a constitutionalist which means I oppose judicial activism, but I am hardly far right or a MAGA sort of fellow.  No, the thing that bugs me about Tim is he states his opinions as facts, he purports to cite studies as indisputable facts when he has not read them or understood them and as often as not they actually refute the proposition for which he cites them, and frankly he is a liar.  He cedes points only after there is no other option.  He does so to pretend he is open minded, and yet a day, week, or month later he goes right back to espousing the completely discredited crap he admitted to earlier under duress of the facts to try to save face.  He believes none of us have any memory.  Basically he routinely insults our intelligence.    When you couple that with him being a poor sport and trying to weasel out of a bet/bed of his own making, insulting me as he did so and lying about the history of the matter only to have me resolve the matter magnanimously by releasing him from his obligations, well I just don't like him, and his posting style, didactic as it is, reminds me of that on a daily basis.  Is it immature of me to poke at him, sure.  But if he does not like it he can go and infest another place with his drivel.  Maybe he should create his own site instead of arriving at communities built by others and trying to appropriate them to his own use by his overly ubiquitous presence.

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35 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

As for Tim, I don't care that he is liberal.  You are quite liveral and I like and respect you. I get along with the liberals here because on many issues I am liberal.  True I am fiscally conservative and I am a constitutionalist which means I oppose judicial activism, but I am hardly far right or a MAGA sort of fellow.  No, the thing that bugs me about Tim is he states his opinions as facts, he purports to cite studies as indisputable facts when he has not read them or understood them and as often as not they actually refute the proposition for which he cites them, and frankly he is a liar.  He cedes points only after there is no other option.  He does so to pretend he is open minded, and yet a day, week, or month later he goes right back to espousing the completely discredited crap he admitted to earlier under duress of the facts to try to save face.  He believes none of us have any memory.  Basically he routinely insults our intelligence.    When you couple that with him being a poor sport and trying to weasel out of a bet/bed of his own making, insulting me as he did so and lying about the history of the matter only to have me resolve the matter magnanimously by releasing him from his obligations, well I just don't like him, and his posting style, didactic as it is, reminds me of that on a daily basis.  Is it immature of me to poke at him, sure.  But if he does not like it he can go and infest another place with his drivel.  Maybe he should create his own site instead of arriving at communities built by others and trying to appropriate them to his own use by his overly ubiquitous presence.

Some of these criticisms are fair. I did behave like a poor sport in the betting thing, I was really being a jerk, for which I apologized and offered to pay in full. I don’t welch. I also probably do rely on studies too much and make some claims I can’t back up. I don’t deliberately lie. I don’t pretend to be open minded, I honestly do try to be. But I have core convictions so there’s probably a limit. 

I also plead guilty to the ubiquitous charge. There’s about ten of us around here who are guilty of that. 
 

Anyhow @Engorgeous George I’m sorry you don’t like me. Too bad, I’m really a likable guy! Maybe we can try again at some point. 

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9 hours ago, squistion said:

If so,  then it was an unfortunate choice of words on her part. 

Why did she change her dialect from an educated person from a prestigious college to a ghetto ho?  Went from sounding like she could be a leader to sounding like some ghetto ho on girls gone wild.  Does not make sense.

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11 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Why did she change her dialect from an educated person from a prestigious college to a ghetto ho?  Went from sounding like she could be a leader to sounding like some ghetto ho on girls gone wild.  Does not make sense.

She coined that nickname for him back before he was moving illegals around.She lied about her reasoning. Shocking, huh? 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Some of these criticisms are fair. I did behave like a poor sport in the betting thing, I was really being a jerk, for which I apologized and offered to pay in full. I don’t welch. I also probably do rely on studies too much and make some claims I can’t back up. I don’t deliberately lie. I don’t pretend to be open minded, I honestly do try to be. But I have core convictions so there’s probably a limit. 

I also plead guilty to the ubiquitous charge. There’s about ten of us around here who are guilty of that. 
 

Anyhow @Engorgeous George I’m sorry you don’t like me. Too bad, I’m really a likable guy! Maybe we can try again at some point. 

Among my negative views on you I have never made the claim that you welched.  You contemplated justifying doing so, perhaps, but you never crossed what I see as that line and I will never say, or imply, that you did.  That would be inaccurate.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Some of these criticisms are fair. I did behave like a poor sport in the betting thing, I was really being a jerk, for which I apologized and offered to pay in full. I don’t welch. I also probably do rely on studies too much and make some claims I can’t back up. I don’t deliberately lie. I don’t pretend to be open minded, I honestly do try to be. But I have core convictions so there’s probably a limit. 

I also plead guilty to the ubiquitous charge. There’s about ten of us around here who are guilty of that. 
 

Anyhow @Engorgeous George I’m sorry you don’t like me. Too bad, I’m really a likable guy! Maybe we can try again at some point. 

Tim guy needs a date for prom. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Some of these criticisms are fair. I did behave like a poor sport in the betting thing, I was really being a jerk, for which I apologized and offered to pay in full. I don’t welch. I also probably do rely on studies too much and make some claims I can’t back up. I don’t deliberately lie. I don’t pretend to be open minded, I honestly do try to be. But I have core convictions so there’s probably a limit. 

I also plead guilty to the ubiquitous charge. There’s about ten of us around here who are guilty of that. 
 

Anyhow @Engorgeous George I’m sorry you don’t like me. Too bad, I’m really a likable guy! Maybe we can try again at some point. 

Tim,

I have to admit, you are wrong so much and make a lot mistakes, but many times you do own it. Respect that

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2 hours ago, Mike Hunt said:

Why did she change her dialect from an educated person from a prestigious college to a ghetto ho?  Went from sounding like she could be a leader to sounding like some ghetto ho on girls gone wild.  Does not make sense.

Libs dismiss your true origin story so it fits the narrative.  

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7 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Oh I thought this just happened.  Carry on. At least she didn’t sound ghetto back then. Now she’s trying to pretend like she’s from the streets. Kno wat im sayin

It's their "tough guy" act. They swear a lot now on camera because they were criticized for being wimps. Walz is saying he can beat up pro wrestlers. It's their new schtick.

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Looks like Gutfield and his board surrogate RLLD won't get their wish with Crockett. 

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19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The border is secure because there is no current wave of people trying to get in. The border has been secure for the last 9 months or so. After the next crisis in Latin America the border will not be secure again. 

What was the crisis that dissappeared 9 months ago?  Doh!

It's too easy with your low IQ. Not really fair matching wits with a retarded blowhard.   

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33 minutes ago, Horseman said:

What was the crisis that dissappeared 9 months ago?  Doh!

It's too easy with your low IQ. Not really fair matching wits with a retarded blowhard.   

It didn’t suddenly disappear. The pressure caused by Covid finally receded. 

I am not claiming that added security on the border doesn’t make a difference. Of course it does. But it doesn’t address the root of the problem and eventually the numbers will swell enough as to overwhelm the security again. This is inevitable. 

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16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It didn’t suddenly disappear. The pressure caused by Covid finally receded. 

I am not claiming that added security on the border doesn’t make a difference. Of course it does. But it doesn’t address the root of the problem and eventually the numbers will swell enough as to overwhelm the security again. This is inevitable. 

Maybe transporting them on air conditioned buses from the Darien gap to the border area finally receded 

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19 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What was the crisis in Latin America? 

There wasn't a crisis. This dude is just another hater. Ignore him. He's a zero.

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On 3/27/2025 at 8:58 AM, The Real timschochet said:

It didn’t suddenly disappear. The pressure caused by Covid finally receded. 

I am not claiming that added security on the border doesn’t make a difference. Of course it does. But it doesn’t address the root of the problem and eventually the numbers will swell enough as to overwhelm the security again. This is inevitable. 

Finally it receded!  Pure coincidence it timed the very first month of Trump's presidency, pure coincidence!

A reduction of 90% in a single month, Trump's first month.  It doesn't get any more sudden that that you foking blowhard.  

 

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On 3/27/2025 at 8:58 AM, The Real timschochet said:

But it doesn’t address the root of the problem and eventually the numbers will swell enough as to overwhelm the security again. This is inevitable

May I ask what you are basing your rhetoric off of, besides politics of course. 

Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're consistently wrong and base your nonsense off nothing other than fear mongering. 

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

May I ask what you are basing your rhetoric off of, besides politics of course. 

Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're consistently wrong and base your nonsense off nothing other than fear mongering. 

I've told you all a bunch of times.  Tim doesn't base his opinion on any data or logic.  He forms an opinion out of thin air and then looks for data to support it.  It's the exact opposite way an intelligent, critical thinking, individual's brain works.

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27 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've told you all a bunch of times.  Tim doesn't base his opinion on any data or logic.  He forms an opinion out of thin air and then looks for data to support it.  It's the exact opposite way an intelligent, critical thinking, individual's brain works.

Yeah you’ve written this a bunch of times, and it’s bullsh!t every time. 

In this case the question is whether or not undocumented immigration can be curtailed in the long run strictly through security and not by addressing the greater issues which cause it. I say the answer is no and it’s an obvious no. I could offer plenty of lengthy reasoning to prove my point, statistics over years and such, but I shouldn’t have to. It should be common sense to anyone. If thousands of people are willing to leave their lives behind and risk everything to come here, they’re not going to be deterred by security alone no matter how many walls you put up, no matter how many police or military or ICE you send to the border, no matter how many people you round up to try and scare others into not coming. All of that will have an impact short term, but long term it will fail. They will find a way to come. If you want to prevent this, then you need to look at the reasons they are coming and try to fix those. But we never do. 

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19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah you’ve written this a bunch of times, and it’s bullsh!t every time. 

In this case the question is whether or not undocumented immigration can be curtailed in the long run strictly through security and not by addressing the greater issues which cause it. I say the answer is no and it’s an obvious no. I could offer plenty of lengthy reasoning to prove my point, statistics over years and such, but I shouldn’t have to. It should be common sense to anyone. If thousands of people are willing to leave their lives behind and risk everything to come here, they’re not going to be deterred by security alone no matter how many walls you put up, no matter how many police or military or ICE you send to the border, no matter how many people you round up to try and scare others into not coming. All of that will have an impact short term, but long term it will fail. They will find a way to come. If you want to prevent this, then you need to look at the reasons they are coming and try to fix those. But we never do. 

And as usual the numbers, actual verifiable facts, say the exact opposite of your opinion.  

That's why Max and Strike and everyone else says and knows you're full of chit. The End.  STFU already blowhard. 

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23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Blah Blah Blah

Yep.

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

And as usual the numbers, actual verifiable facts, say the exact opposite of your opinion.  

That's why Max and Strike and everyone else says and knows you're full of chit. The End.  STFU already blowhard. 

They’re wrong. So are you. Sorry about that. 

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As the New Leader of Democrat Party she is the gift that keeps on giving.  

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

Walls and fences did a fairly good job of holding desperate people in communist countires in the 50's, 60's, and 70"s.  Walls and fences and active enforcement did a pretty good job of defending European borders for decades.  None were perfect of course, but they were effective and we too can be effective if we choose to be.  Also, we are not the only potential country for relocation.  During the last decade or so and particularly during the Biden administration we were the easiest, but we can change that and folks may seek thier new homes elsewhere.  If you think borders cannot be controled I welcome you to enter China or North Korea, or Iran illegally and see how you do.

 

I do think we can absorb maybe 1% of our population in immigration each year.  That is more than we currently allow in yearly legal immigration.  I think entrants must be vetted.  I think they must be healthy and immunized.  i would prefer taht they are representative of the worl's demographics rather than all from one culture or region as they will likely integrate rather than concentrate in ethnic ghettos.  I think they should be required to locate more or less evenly across the country for the first three to five years so no State and no locol government or school system is overwhelmed.  We ought to get on this.  By the way, in addition to welcoming the wretched refuse like my people and Tim's we ought to welcome the high achievers and wealthy looking to build something.

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re wrong. So are you. Sorry about that. 

11,000

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

Where is your blowhard evidence? Up your ass?

 

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On 3/26/2025 at 12:47 PM, The Real timschochet said:

The border is secure because there is no current wave of people trying to get in. The border has been secure for the last 9 months or so. After the next crisis in Latin America the border will not be secure again. 

Then why were Democrats saying they passed the most secure border bill ever right before the election if the border was already secure?  You know the one they claim Trump squashed for political reasons. 

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25 minutes ago, steeler6 said:

Then why were Democrats saying they passed the most secure border bill ever right before the election if the border was already secure?  You know the one they claim Trump squashed for political reasons. 

Timmy needs to look up what the maddow would say to that before he can answer it. 

" Kids in cages because of Trump!!! "  will most likely be her/his/it's answer. 

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4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Walls and fences did a fairly good job of holding desperate people in communist countires in the 50's, 60's, and 70"s.  Walls and fences and active enforcement did a pretty good job of defending European borders for decades.  None were perfect of course, but they were effective and we too can be effective if we choose to be.  Also, we are not the only potential country for relocation.  During the last decade or so and particularly during the Biden administration we were the easiest, but we can change that and folks may seek thier new homes elsewhere.  If you think borders cannot be controled I welcome you to enter China or North Korea, or Iran illegally and see how you do.

 

I do think we can absorb maybe 1% of our population in immigration each year.  That is more than we currently allow in yearly legal immigration.  I think entrants must be vetted.  I think they must be healthy and immunized.  i would prefer taht they are representative of the worl's demographics rather than all from one culture or region as they will likely integrate rather than concentrate in ethnic ghettos.  I think they should be required to locate more or less evenly across the country for the first three to five years so no State and no locol government or school system is overwhelmed.  We ought to get on this.  By the way, in addition to welcoming the wretched refuse like my people and Tim's we ought to welcome the high achievers and wealthy looking to build something.

Lots of flaws in this argument, the biggest one being that all of the countries named in which walls “worked” (the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, Iran, China, North Korea) were or are police states. It wasn’t the wall going in or out that kept people in place as much as it was the intensive security of the entire state. Yes if you want to have that kind of police state here we could effectively prevent all undocumented immigration. I’m sure that a thug like Tom Homan wouldn’t mind; this is the sort of state he’s angling for. But it’s not consistent with the freedoms we enjoy. 

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3 hours ago, Horseman said:

11,000

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

Where is your blowhard evidence? Up your ass?

 

My whole argument is that it will go back up over time. Obviously I can’t prove that to you. But remember this prediction: at the end of Trump’s term there will be more undocumented immigrants in this country than there are now. 
 

ETA my argument here isn’t much different from your argument about the Stock Market. Both are cyclical. 

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2 hours ago, steeler6 said:

Then why were Democrats saying they passed the most secure border bill ever right before the election if the border was already secure?  You know the one they claim Trump squashed for political reasons. 

This is not quite right. The Democrats tried to pass it but the Republicans killed it. Then Biden took him upon himself to secure the border by executive order. By the time Trump took office the border was already secure. 
But again these are temporary measures. What Biden did was a bandaid. The Senate bill, had it passed would have been a larger bandaid. What Trump is currently doing is an even larger bandaid with a lot of show for the MAGA crowd put in. But none of this is anything close to a permanent solution. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is not quite right. The Democrats tried to pass it but the Republicans killed it. Then Biden took him upon himself to secure the border by executive order. By the time Trump took office the border was already secure. 
But again these are temporary measures. What Biden did was a bandaid. The Senate bill, had it passed would have been a larger bandaid. What Trump is currently doing is an even larger bandaid with a lot of show for the MAGA crowd put in. But none of this is anything close to a permanent solution. 

There is so much revisionist history in your post you should change your name to Tokyo Tim. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My whole argument is that it will go back up over time. Obviously I can’t prove that to you. But remember this prediction: at the end of Trump’s term there will be more undocumented immigrants in this country than there are now. 
 

You're so awesome at predictions. Should we recap?

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3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

There is so much revisionist history in your post you should change your name to Tokyo Tim. 

And again, none of it based upon facts, data, or logic.  Tim just says s*** and oftentimes it's factually incorrect which makes it looks even dumber.

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30 minutes ago, Strike said:

And again, none of it based upon facts, data, or logic.  Tim just says s*** and oftentimes it's factually incorrect which makes it looks even dumber.

You think he believes his own BS?  Or is it all just for show?  Showing his liberal pals how virtuous he is?

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You think he believes his own BS?  Or is it all just for show?  Showing his liberal pals how virtuous he is?

I have no idea.  I just know he's ruined intelligent discourse on multiple message boards and had a hand in getting one of them closed.  I also know he specifically called the people on this bored worse names than Hitlery called Republicans and swore he would never set foot here, but here he is.......

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 Biden was flying in cat eating migrants from Haiti because he couldn’t secure the border until congress let him? 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is not quite right. The Democrats tried to pass it but the Republicans killed it. Then Biden took him upon himself to secure the border by executive order. By the time Trump took office the border was already secure. 
But again these are temporary measures. What Biden did was a bandaid. The Senate bill, had it passed would have been a larger bandaid. What Trump is currently doing is an even larger bandaid with a lot of show for the MAGA crowd put in. But none of this is anything close to a permanent solution. 

As I recall the matter the State of Texas, in defiance of the Feds, finally locked down their border stemming the flow.  Then the Biden Administration, seeing the election slipping as California and some southwest swing states started getting the brunt from Texas and then, reluctantly, they tried to shut the border down doing what they had earlier stated was impossible, issuing an executive order which could have been issued at any time putting the lie to Biden's rhetoric.  Then with the election won the south of the border flow dried up as they stopped coming knowing the open invitation Biden had extended for 3 + years was then gone.  All we had to do to stem the tide was to stop inviting them.  To stop the tide needed a lack of an invite and more vigilance on the border.

 

Oh, and if you don't like the States I cited in my earlier example try sneaking into Isreal and see how that works out for you.Try sneaking into Australia or New Zealand or Iceland and get back to us.  No country has an impenetrable border.  That is not the reasonable argument or the reasonable goal and would only be argued by folks deliberately trying to miss the point.  We can, though, have a relatively secure border backed up by cooperative local state and federal policing which keeps illegal immigration to a minimum.  We can then get on with a more reasonable and beneficial legal immigration process which is thoughtful and controlled.

 

Basically what you don't get is that most who want to stem illegal immigration are not racists or against immigrants, they are against lawbreaking and allowing the uneducated from the worlds most vicious ghettos to set our policy.  We are against overwhelming the resources of local governments and the people who have a reasoanble expectancy of getting those resources having paid taxes and been citizens.  We are against the chaos of the needs and expectancies of folks who like you have unreasonable expectancies based on a hundred and fifty year old aspirational poem which never really represented the sentiments of most Americans, just those like you who are utopians, which is to say idiots.