Let's discuss the NFL's divisional round matchups

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15 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The Lions swept the NFC South this year and Tampa Bay, particularly, was one of the easiest wins of the year, so this was the round two matchup I'd hoped for. Better than risk seeing Philly get their act together.

Packers did Detroit  quite a favor by getting them a second home game.

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31 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What was the 9ers signature win this year?  

The team GB just boat raced?  Or the team TB just thoughoughly embarrassed?

Probably the rams without kupp.  

you serious clark?

it's not just the team, but when you play them.

cowboys when they were still strong and considered a powerhouse. crushed them

jags when they were still strong at 6-3. crushed them

philly when they were the NFC favorite at 10-2. crushed them to take the 1 seed

 

Also, the division is not a cakewalk like others are

[cmh6476 1,024]

We've spent a lot of time on chiefs bills here.   How about a different game? Anyone think the Texans can pull out a win in Baltimore?

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1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

you serious clark?

it's not just the team, but when you play them.

cowboys when they were still strong and considered a powerhouse. crushed them

jags when they were still strong at 6-3. crushed them

philly when they were the NFC favorite at 10-2. crushed them to take the 1 seed

 

Also, the division is not a cakewalk like others are

All I know is the 49ers seem to end my Packers season more often than not lately and it seems to be shaping up towards that outcome once again.  Maybe this year will be the exception to that rule but I won't be putting my money on that unlikely outcome*

 

 

 

* Unless the line moves to 10.5.

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

All I know is the 49ers seem to end my Packers season more often than not lately and it seems to be shaping up towards that outcome once again.  Maybe this year will be the exception to that rule but I won't be putting my money on that unlikely outcome*

 

 

 

* Unless the line moves to 10.5.

well.... the pack are definitely hot and trending up. a lot to look forward to with their youth.

I can envision scenarios where gb wins, but probability is in the 49ers favor.

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24 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

you serious clark?

it's not just the team, but when you play them.

cowboys when they were still strong and considered a powerhouse. crushed them

jags when they were still strong at 6-3. crushed them

philly when they were the NFC favorite at 10-2. crushed them to take the 1 seed

 

Also, the division is not a cakewalk like others are

I was just wonder.  Which was their signature win?  Probably Dallas.  Good to know.  

One division still has 2 teams left in thr playoffs.  

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18 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

well.... the pack are definitely hot and trending up. a lot to look forward to with their youth.

I can envision scenarios where gb wins, but probability is in the 49ers favor.

Oh for sure.  If you guys were to lose thats a choke job.  I have a 9ers friend who we have talked crap for years.  He brings up 9ers vs Packers in playoffs.  Totally fair.  Then I tell him ths Packers have won a SB 16 years more recently than thr 9ers and send him the Glory Days music video.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I was just wonder.  Which was their signature win?  Probably Dallas.  Good to know.  

One division still has 2 teams left in thr playoffs.  

dallas was a good one, but most of us knew that they had played the giants, jets, and pats

 

jags was big as the 49ers were coming off of a 3 game losing streak (loss of williams was the big issue; as well as in the loss to bal)

 

i think the win vs philly was the defining moment for them.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,414]

For a team that has won 2 titles in 50 years Packers fans like to talk trash.  With those back to back HOF QB’s in that division you would think they would have won more. Whole lotta choking went down. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,517]

GB & Houston hit the wall this week.

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13 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh for sure.  If you guys were to lose thats a choke job.  I have a 9ers friend who we have talked crap for years.  He brings up 9ers vs Packers in playoffs.  Totally fair.  Then I tell him ths Packers have won a SB 16 years more recently than thr 9ers and send him the Glory Days music video.  

Niners fans are incredibly smug for a fanbase that last one a title during Clinton’s first term. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Niners fans are incredibly smug for a fanbase that last one a title during Clinton’s first term. 

I know they have had some good rosters and go there a couple times.  But yeah 30 years thats a bit.  

GB certainly should have more.  But they do have 2 since SFs last.  

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

For a team that has won 2 titles in 50 years Packers fans like to talk trash.  With those back to back HOF QB’s in that division you would think they would have won more. Whole lotta choking went down. 

Theyve been a fun franchise to watch.  They have 2 in my watching lifetime.  That's better than most. It could be a ton worse.  You act like the Packers are the Dolphins. 

The old tired they shoulda won more with those QBs line is a bit dusty.  Yeah they should have. They still got 1 with each.  1 more each than Marino, Kelly.  1 less each than the great P. Manning.  Each are tied with the Bears franchise.  

Brees had "guru" Sean Payton in a dome.  Won 1.  You hear nothing sbout that.  Lol.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I know they have had some good rosters and go there a couple times.  But yeah 30 years thats a bit.  

GB certainly should have more.  But they do have 2 since SFs last.  

I’ve seen San Fran fans saying they’d be chasing #7 this year if Purdy didn’t get hurt last season, like protecting your QB isn’t part of the game and they’d have just rolled the Chiefs.

It will be hilarious if they DON’T win a chip. 

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ve seen San Fran fans saying they’d be chasing #7 this year if Purdy didn’t get hurt last season, like protecting your QB isn’t part of the game and they’d have just rolled the Chiefs.

It will be hilarious if they DON’T win a chip. 

I mean they have the number 1 passer in rating by 8 pts over the 2nd QB.  Best RB.  2 1st round very good WRs.  Kittle.  An already HOFer at LT.  2 of the top 6 pass rushers in the league.  2 of the top 6 LBers in the league.  The best coach.   

It would be all time choke to lose at home to a 7th seed youngest team in league with a QB who started 1 game before this year.  

That would be bad.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean they have the number 1 passer in rating by 8 pts over the 2nd QB.  Best RB.  2 1st round very good WRs.  Kittle.  An already HOFer at LT.  2 of the top 6 pass rushers in the league.  2 of the top 6 LBers in the league.  The best coach.   

It would be all time choke to lose at home to a 7th seed youngest team in league with a QB who started 1 game before this year.  

That would be bad.  

I’m not even talking this weekend. If they don’t outright win a SB it will be hilarious to read the excuses.

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean they have the number 1 passer in rating by 8 pts over the 2nd QB.  Best RB.  2 1st round very good WRs.  Kittle.  An already HOFer at LT.  2 of the top 6 pass rushers in the league.  2 of the top 6 LBers in the league.  The best coach.   

It would be all time choke to lose at home to a 7th seed youngest team in league with a QB who started 1 games before this year.  

That would be bad.  

I give the Packers maybe a 1 in six chance of winning outright and a 2 in six chance of beating the spread.  The Packers would need to tackle more surely than they generally have this year.  They would also need to control their stupid penalties as this year they have allowed teams lined up to punt the ball to convert the fourth down by penalty and have gotten teams in thirds and very long first downs not just by untimely pass interference penalties which happens to every team, but by really stupid and late unnecessary roughness penalties.  Those are the equivilent of turnovers and they are prevengtable with some brains and discipline.   Hopefully the youngest and through much of the year dumbest team will communicate on both offense and defense as when they do they are pretty good. Maybe, just maybe they have it figured out but the 49ers test even the best communicating teams so we shall see. I do note that the Packers with Jones, Watson, Reed, and Wicks on offense and Alexander and campbell in on defense are a lot different than the Packers without them which was often the case this year.  Who knows, maybe they will even get Dillon out there.

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10 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not even talking this weekend. If they don’t outright win a SB it will be hilarious to read the excuses.

Unless they lose to the Ravens in a decent game.  That's a pretty good season.  And the Ravens look good.

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8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I give the Packers maybe a 1 in six chance of winning outright and a 2 in six chance of beating the spread.  The Packers would need to tackle more surely than they generally have this year.  They would also need to control their stupid penalties as this year they have allowed teams lined up to punt the ball to convert the fourth down by penalty and have gotten teams in thirds and very long first downs not just by untimely pass interference penalties which happens to every team, but by really stupid and late unnecessary roughness penalties.  Those are the equivilent of turnovers and they are prevengtable with some brains and discipline.   Hopefully the youngest and through much of the year dumbest team will communicate on both offense and defense as when they do they are pretty good. Maybe, just maybe they have it figured out but the 49ers test even the best communicating teams so we shall see. I do note that the Packers with Jones, Watson, Reed, and Wicks on offense and Alexander and campbell in on defense are a lot different than the Packers without them which was often the case this year.  Who knows, maybe they will even get Dillon out there.

Well you havent believed in them much all year.

But yeah gonna be tough.   I respect how SF plays football.   They basically have the pure talent of Dallas if not more.  A much better coach.   And just a very sound way of playing football.   

In their losses they have turned it over....some multiple times.  But GB doesn't have a defense that forces them a whole lot.  

Need Purdy to throw a couple.

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I am a detroit fan and have been my entire life. I want them to win so bad. Each playoff win for us is legit a superbowl. Most of us have never seen a team like this. That being said I am very worried about the defensive secondary. Cam Sutton is focking awful. No matter what he is going to be matched up against either Evans or Godwin. In order for them to win they are going to have to have to get pressure on the line of scrimmage. If not Mayfield is going to have 3-4 tds.  I really wanted them to add Montez  Sweat. I think they would have had a much better chance of winning the superbowl with another DE that could put pressure on the pocket and mask how weak Sutton is.  Instead we got Donovan peoples jones. Who has like 8 catches. Yaaaaayyyy. Win lose or draw we should be looking to spend our draft capital on defense and and add to it in free agency. 

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19 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well you havent believed in them much all year.

But yeah gonna be tough.   I respect how SF plays football.   They basically have the pure talent of Dallas if not more.  A much better coach.   And just a very sound way of playing football.   

In their losses they have turned it over....some multiple times.  But GB doesn't have a defense that forces them a whole lot.  

Need Purdy to throw a couple.

I believe in their talent, but not their intelligence and discipline.  They are getting better but even against Dallas we saw two dumb roughing penalties.  Fortunately Dallas' lack of character superceded our lack of discipline.  As I have stated, if they were remotely healthy which they have not been this year, and if they played disciplined football with good back end communication on the defense I think the sky is the limit, but thus far, though they have improved some, they still play stupid far too often for me.  Against Dallas they began putting it together.  Maybe this week they will.  Frankly we owe the 49ers or the fates owe us.  Hell, I am still bitter about the Jerry Rice non-fumble call leading to the T.O. touchdown on a year i thought we would take it all.  Let's get some emotional payback.

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29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well you havent believed in them much all year.

But yeah gonna be tough.   I respect how SF plays football.   They basically have the pure talent of Dallas if not more.  A much better coach.   And just a very sound way of playing football.   

In their losses they have turned it over....some multiple times.  But GB doesn't have a defense that forces them a whole lot.  

Need Purdy to throw a couple.

BTW, I do like your optimism.

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9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I believe in their talent, but not their intelligence and discipline.  They are getting better but even against Dallas we saw two dumb roughing penalties.  Fortunately Dallas' lack of character superceded our lack of discipline.  As I have stated, if they were remotely healthy which they have not been this year, and if they played disciplined football with good back end communication on the defense I think the sky is the limit, but thus far, though they have improved some, they still play stupid far too often for me.  Against Dallas they began putting it together.  Maybe this week they will.  Frankly we owe the 49ers or the fates owe us.  Hell, I am still bitter about the Jerry Rice non-fumble call leading to the T.O. touchdown on a year i thought we would take it all.  Let's get some emotional payback.

Well being so young its natural to not be up to speed in the intelligence and discipline departments.  

I am not jaded enough to think the Packers will win a SB here.  They have made it further than even the most optimistic fans pegged them.  I did pick them beat Dallas.  But ill enjoy the ride.  You have been saying this stuff for half a year and here they are.  Who cares about discipline right now, they have a rookie squad.  I like where we sit.  This whole year was finding out if they have a QB.

9ers have the best roster in football, rested, at home.  Of course they should win vs. a squad full of 23 year olds.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well being so young its natural to not be up to speed in the intelligence and discipline departments.  

I am not jaded enough to think the Packers will win a SB here.  They have made it further than even the most optimistic fans pegged them.  I did pick them beat Dallas.  But ill enjoy the ride.  You have been saying this stuff for half a year and here they are.  Who cares about discipline right now, they have a rookie squad.  I like where we sit.  This whole year was finding out if they have a QB.

9ers have the best roster in football, rested, at home.  Of course they should win vs. a squad full of 23 year olds.  

I believed they had their Q.B. in Love last year and hoped they would have traded Rodgers to Denver for that windfall.  I thought they should have unloaded Bahktieri last year as well for pennies on the dollar.  BTW, I am extemely bullish on Clifford and all of our pass catchers right down through Melton.  

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8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well being so young its natural to not be up to speed in the intelligence and discipline departments.  

I am not jaded enough to think the Packers will win a SB here.  They have made it further than even the most optimistic fans pegged them.  I did pick them beat Dallas.  But ill enjoy the ride.  You have been saying this stuff for half a year and here they are.  Who cares about discipline right now, they have a rookie squad.  I like where we sit.  This whole year was finding out if they have a QB.

9ers have the best roster in football, rested, at home.  Of course they should win vs. a squad full of 23 year olds.  

Maybe we will get playoff Gary this weekend along with playoff Clark and Alexander  Just maybe.  I am already excited about next season with their salary cap cleaned up a bit and with the extra draft choices for rodgers and Douglas, but I am not quite ready to put this year to bed even though the odds are clearly stacked against us this weekend.  A Puncher's chance is still a chance.  I imagine you too will be hanging on that cahnce until the final whistle.

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7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Maybe we will get playoff Gary this weekend along with playoff Clark and Alexander  Just maybe.  I am already excited about next season with their salary cap cleaned up a bit and with the extra draft choices for rodgers and Douglas, but I am not quite ready to put this year to bed even though the odds are clearly stacked against us this weekend.  A Puncher's chance is still a chance.  I imagine you too will be hanging on that cahnce until the final whistle.

9ers are a tall task.  But if they were to knock them off, open the floodgates of dreamin.  Detroit and TB are both very beatable.  Lets say Detroit.   GB would have the opportunity to knock off thr 2 1 and 3 seeds in a row.   

Maybe the 9ers roll them bad.  But I have also seen the 9ers go on a stretch of bad football.  Ive seen Purdy throw 4 picks.  I don't expect them to come out and play a bad game.  But if Purdy doesn't play a good game then who knows.  There is a chance for sure.  Packers will have to play like they played last week to have a shot.  

This is much more fun than hoping not to win too many games in order to draft 7 places higher like loser franchises do.  

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Just read a stat.  

Rush defense

GB 22nd in EPA/rush

SF 26th in EPA/rush

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55 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I am a detroit fan and have been my entire life. I want them to win so bad. Each playoff win for us is legit a superbowl. Most of us have never seen a team like this. That being said I am very worried about the defensive secondary. Cam Sutton is focking awful. No matter what he is going to be matched up against either Evans or Godwin. In order for them to win they are going to have to have to get pressure on the line of scrimmage. If not Mayfield is going to have 3-4 tds.  I really wanted them to add Montez  Sweat. I think they would have had a much better chance of winning the superbowl with another DE that could put pressure on the pocket and mask how weak Sutton is.  Instead we got Donovan peoples jones. Who has like 8 catches. Yaaaaayyyy. Win lose or draw we should be looking to spend our draft capital on defense and and add to it in free agency. 

Kerby Joseph is seriously close to a unnecessary roughness penalty.  And I feel it's going to come at a terrible time too.

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11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

9ers are a tall task.  But if they were to knock them off, open the floodgates of dreamin.  Detroit and TB are both very beatable.  Lets say Detroit.   GB would have the opportunity to knock off thr 2 1 and 3 seeds in a row.   

Maybe the 9ers roll them bad.  But I have also seen the 9ers go on a stretch of bad football.  Ive seen Purdy throw 4 picks.  I don't expect them to come out and play a bad game.  But if Purdy doesn't play a good game then who knows.  There is a chance for sure.  Packers will have to play like they played last week to have a shot.  

This is much more fun than hoping not to win too many games in order to draft 7 places higher like loser franchises do.  

For me any season which concludes with successive victories over the Vikes, then Bears, then Cowboys, who I all hate, is a good season.  if they could have sprinkled in the Seahawks and then the 49ers even better, but I am happy.  

 

And yes, if by some miracle they do get bye the 49ers without injury I would have them favored over the Lions or Bucs. 

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5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Kerby Joseph is seriously close to a unnecessary roughness penalty.  And I feel it's going to come at a terrible time too.

To be fair he is going low like the NFL keeps preaching. They always look awful though because he is essentially dumping a player on his head at full speed at the same time probably hurting their legs. This is an NFL problem. If any of his hits were high they are an immediate ejection and fine. 

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2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

To be fair he is going low like the NFL keeps preaching. They always look awful though because he is essentially dumping a player on his head at full speed at the same time probably hurting their legs. This is an NFL problem. If any of his hits were high they are an immediate ejection and fine. 

Not really those hits...  He just seems to add a little "extra" on tackles and out of bounds hits.  He needs to reign it in.  He's a bit of  a hot head.

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5 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

To be fair he is going low like the NFL keeps preaching. They always look awful though because he is essentially dumping a player on his head at full speed at the same time probably hurting their legs. This is an NFL problem. If any of his hits were high they are an immediate ejection and fine. 

Wasn't rooting for the Steelers but sort of felt bad for them defending Josh.  Its like what do you do?  Hes 6'5 250 and half his runs hes willing to try and run a guy over.   So you get a play like his 50 yd run breaking through.  Then later he slid at the last second thr defender does go down with him as hes committed but puts up his hands as to say im not trying to hit this guy.  And its a flag.  

So when defending him if you relax for a split secpnd you may get highlight reeled and ran over by a QB.  If you stand your ground and he slides last secpnd its almost always going to be a penalty even if you dont really hit him hard and try to let up.  

Its almost impossible.   

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Not really those hits...  He just seems to add a little "extra" on tackles and out of bounds hits.  He needs to reign it in.  He's a bit of  a hot head.

There are always a few Vontez Burfict guys in the league, guys who don't get the league's messaging.

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Wasn't rooting for the Steelers but sort of felt bad for them defending Josh.  Its like what do you do?  Hes 6'5 250 and half his runs hes willing to try and run a guy over.   So you get a play like his 50 yd run breaking through.  Then later he slid at the last second thr defender does go down with him as hes committed but puts up his hands as to say im not trying to hit this guy.  And its a flag.  

So when defending him if you relax for a split secpnd you may get highlight reeled and ran over by a QB.  If you stand your ground and he slides last secpnd its almost always going to be a penalty even if you dont really hit him hard and try to let up.  

Its almost impossible.   

To me the solution is to get rid of the slide protection for Q.B.'s.  the only protection for them should be after the ball is out of their hands.  if they want protection throw the ball away.  We should take away intentional grounding so they can get protection except we should keep intentional grounding behind the line of scrimmage.  All of this player protection stuff is horseshit in my book.  Defenseless reciever, don't throw him the ball over the middle when a safety has him lined up.  defenseless Q.B. they had the option to not run, if they made a bad decision to bad. Offensive players want no consequence for their bad decisions.  I want there to be consequences.

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

To me the solution is to get rid of the slide protection for Q.B.'s.  the only protection for them should be after the ball is out of their hands.  if they want protection throw the ball away.  We should take away intentional grounding so they can get protection except we should keep intentional grounding behind the line of scrimmage.  All of this player protection stuff is horseshit in my book.  Defenseless reciever, don't throw him the ball over the middle when a safety has him lined up.  defenseless Q.B. they had the option to not run, if they made a bad decision to bad. Offensive players want no consequence for their bad decisions.  I want there to be consequences.

I can agree with almost all of this.  But its just a pipe dream.   League is going to protect them as much as possible.   Not putting those worms back in the can.  And too many good QBs run these days so they definitely aren't going to do it.  

I like the solution but it isn't realistic.  I can't think of anything more realistic that they could potentially do though off the cuff.   

Like a lot of guys run to the qb and expect them to slide once they get close.  But if they don't want to slide then its just ridiculously unfair.  Many guys do just slide and defense acxepts it.  But then you get a play like Kenny Pickett in college where he fakes a slide and runs for yards into the endzone.  

I understand protecting your moneymakers.  Of course they want that.  But it has just become wonky.  QBs can play a game with this stuff.  In thr SB....all out final drive.  Defense doesnt want to hit the QB but thr QB doesnt go down and runs 5 more fot a 1st that goes on to set them up fot a winning fg.  Just really wonky.  

Basically if they slide you shouldnt get a flag unless you go down to hit them.  If you go down and let up with hands in air that cannot be a flag.   They want these 250lb freak athletes to make decisions than a moving body can make.  Even if they decide to not quite hit them, they cant possibly stop momentum.  If they let up and dont drill them that should be enough.  

RBs should start sliding feet first.  They wouldn't get the same calls for reasons of money.   But I can see it happening.  

Sad really.  Not that Josh wants to be protected.  He just wants the same calls orher QBs get.  But he isn't thr same as other QBs.  

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Should be more a judgement call.  Again thay isnt going to happen because it gives the defender a sliver of drilling him.  But if a guy makes contact with a slider (most anytime they will catch some face) but puts arms up as if not trying to really hit this guy....just swallow the whistle.  

Again not gonna happen.  But I can see where this gets wonky if QBs want to start playing games.  

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55 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Wasn't rooting for the Steelers but sort of felt bad for them defending Josh.  Its like what do you do?  Hes 6'5 250 and half his runs hes willing to try and run a guy over.   So you get a play like his 50 yd run breaking through.  Then later he slid at the last second thr defender does go down with him as hes committed but puts up his hands as to say im not trying to hit this guy.  And its a flag.  

So when defending him if you relax for a split secpnd you may get highlight reeled and ran over by a QB.  If you stand your ground and he slides last secpnd its almost always going to be a penalty even if you dont really hit him hard and try to let up.  

Its almost impossible.   

Bills fans whine more than chiefs fans

[Voltaire 5,315]

3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Packers did Detroit  quite a favor by getting them a second home game.

That's so very true. Philly and Tampa Bay are the two weakest teams in the playoffs and we get a home game against one in the second round. A couple of weeks ago, Detroit battled Dallas on the road to a game that came down to an officiating call. Although they looked like the better team, they lost, as opposed to this week against the Rams this week, where they looked like the worse team but won.  

On the road at Dallas isn't a place you want to play. At home against a team they handled pretty easily is much better. The fans forced LA to eat two time outs which proved crucial in eat the clock mode at the end of the game. 

 

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7 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Bills fans whine more than chiefs fans

This year they get to host the game, we'll see if that makes a difference.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Some places around Buffalo got an additional 2.5-3 feet of snow over night and today.   

Good thing it hit now.