Hawaii’s Supreme Court: “Spirit of Aloha” more important than 2nd Amendment; defies US Supreme Court on rights to have guns in public

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/they-the-old-days-hawaii-supreme-court-says-aloha-spirit-trumps-2nd-amendment/amp/
 

If Texas can defy the Supreme Court on border issues, then why not Hawaii on gun control? 

[Hardcore troubadour 13,327]

If Biden can defy the supreme court, why not? Also the constitution.  

[Strike 4,290]

Link to Texas defying SC.......

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Link to Texas defying SC.......

No. 

[squistion 1,191]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

If Biden can defy the supreme court, why not? Also the constitution.  

When did Biden defy SCOTUS? Is that something you imagined along with his randomly bringing up his late son to the special prosecutor?

[Engorgeous George 1,492]

Anxious to see whether the Supreme Court of Hawaii thinks the spirit of Hakuna Matata trumps a warrant requirement.

[Strike 4,290]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

Cause you're full of sh*t again.  So ignorant and you don't even care. 

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33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/they-the-old-days-hawaii-supreme-court-says-aloha-spirit-trumps-2nd-amendment/amp/
 

If Texas can defy the Supreme Court on border issues, then why not Hawaii on gun control? 

At the very least people can read the Hawaii decision and actually learn what the 2nd amendment means.  

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32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/they-the-old-days-hawaii-supreme-court-says-aloha-spirit-trumps-2nd-amendment/amp/
 

If Texas can defy the Supreme Court on border issues, then why not Hawaii on gun control? 

Looks like the author of the article is doesn't know much about the constitution.  Also makes it look like the state of Hawaii's Supreme Court doesn't know much about the constitution.  You'd think to get to that level, that it's something they'd know about.

The 2nd Amendment does not give people the right to carry a gun in public... that is a states rights amendment.  The only thing the 2nd Amendment does is give the people the right to OWN the gun in first place.

[Hardcore troubadour 13,327]

41 minutes ago, squistion said:

When did Biden defy SCOTUS? Is that something you imagined along with his randomly bringing up his late son to the special prosecutor?

Why did Biden bring it up then? 

[Dizkneelande 930]

Example 4576 of crap leftists making unconstitutional rules and laws. 

[TheNewGirl 1,121]

I find it more interesting that states are starting to push back, or at least TRY and push back, even if they are doing it incorrectly. The motivation behind it is what I am interested in. 

Why suddenly? Or is it something that's been brewing and they see weaknesses in the executive branch, or that "Hey, if the President can do it..." I mean. We've kind of created this mentality with the everyone's feelings and all of that right? Fock the Constitution if I feel like doing something, I just need to sign this paper. California too, you know? 

Covid rules and laws kind of pushed states to do what they want with the swipe of a pen, why not now? I think some of these states got a little power hungry and now that things are somewhat calm, but there are weaknesses, the country is divided....I dunno. I find it all kind of interesting. 

And Hawaiians do NOT like colonizers. AT ALL. And white folks are buying the land over there like mad. Esp since the fire. Zuckerberg is raise cattle on macadamia nuts and beer on his huge Hawaiian ranch. I wouldn't mind giving Hawaii back to the indigenous, it should't have been an island to live on, but now they NEED the dollars. 

[squistion 1,191]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did Biden bring it up then? 

I don't believe he did randomly as has been suggested. Are there transcripts that have been released of the conversation to prove this and/or give it some context?

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

I don't believe he did randomly as has been suggested. Are there transcripts that have been released of the conversation to prove this and/or give it some context?

Yes. 

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51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

Most insufferable poster by a mile.  You're worse than Ass Rot.

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

I find it more interesting that states are starting to push back, or at least TRY and push back, even if they are doing it incorrectly. The motivation behind it is what I am interested in. 

Why suddenly? Or is it something that's been brewing and they see weaknesses in the executive branch, or that "Hey, if the President can do it..." I mean. We've kind of created this mentality with the everyone's feelings and all of that right? Fock the Constitution if I feel like doing something, I just need to sign this paper. California too, you know? 

Covid rules and laws kind of pushed states to do what they want with the swipe of a pen, why not now? I think some of these states got a little power hungry and now that things are somewhat calm, but there are weaknesses, the country is divided....I dunno. I find it all kind of interesting. 

And Hawaiians do NOT like colonizers. AT ALL. And white folks are buying the land over there like mad. Esp since the fire. Zuckerberg is raise cattle on macadamia nuts and beer on his huge Hawaiian ranch. I wouldn't mind giving Hawaii back to the indigenous, it should't have been an island to live on, but now they NEED the dollars. 

You raise some very interesting points here. Last time I was in Oahu I couldn’t believe some of the poverty I saw outside of Waikiki. Like a third world country. Billions of tourist revenue every year for beachfront property that was basically stolen from the natives if you read the history. Why shouldn’t the descendants be getting some of that money? 

[squistion 1,191]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. 

Then provide a link. TIA.

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Most insufferable poster by a mile.  You're worse than Ass Rot.

If you want to read the debate about what Texas is doing it’s easily accessible by Google. Some (me included) think they are defying the Supreme Court. Others argue they are not. It’s an open question, an interesting one,  but not something that I care to discuss with Strike. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Then provide a link. TIA.

No. Do your own work. Biden brings up his son to try and get sympathy. It’s a real scummy move. 

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. Do your own work. 

I support this response. I’m frankly tired of people posting “link” all the time. If you think somebody is wrong, offer an argument as to why it is wrong. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You raise some very interesting points here. Last time I was in Oahu I couldn’t believe some of the poverty I saw outside of Waikiki. Like a third world country. Billions of tourist revenue every year for beachfront property that was basically stolen from the natives if you read the history. Why shouldn’t the descendants be getting some of that money? 

Yet you brought it up in the original post.  Go figure.

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden brings up his son to try and get sympathy. It’s a real scummy move. 

But I strongly disagree with you about this. Not only is it not a scummy move, it’s scummy to complain about it. 

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Yet you brought it up in the original post.  Go figure.

I think you’re responding to the wrong quote. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think you’re responding to the wrong quote. 

.  Can't keep up with all your replies.

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You raise some very interesting points here. Last time I was in Oahu I couldn’t believe some of the poverty I saw outside of Waikiki. Like a third world country. Billions of tourist revenue every year for beachfront property that was basically stolen from the natives if you read the history. Why shouldn’t the descendants be getting some of that money? 

I am kind of surprised that you'd think that they'd give money outside of tourist areas. It's the tourist areas that matter, why would they invest in the poor areas when there is no money there at all? Keep the tourist areas nice so people keep coming back. 

A friend of mine lives in Oahu and we drove to one side of the island to go on a hike and had to drive through one of the indigenous areas. They will literally stand on the street corners and tell you to leave, get out of their town, tell you to turn around, call you a "haole" and all kinds of stuff. 

Descendants? If you know anything about Hawaiian history, like you claim, then you know that we literally STOLE the land from their King and Queen. Fock "buying" it. 

[squistion 1,191]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. Do your own work. Biden brings up his son to try and get sympathy. It’s a real scummy move. 

I did a Google search and didn't find it. 

Please provide a link to prove what you are saying, that Biden brought it up completely unrelated to the discussion. 

[Strike 4,290]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I support this response. I’m frankly tired of people posting “link” all the time. If you think somebody is wrong, offer an argument as to why it is wrong. 

I do, all the time.  And then you admit you're wrong but have no regrets about constantly being wrong.  That's WHY I always ask you for links.  Because I know you're wrong.  It's telling when you won't support your own assertions.  Like with Texas.  It's not a debate whether they are defying the SC.  They aren't.  You're just ignorant again.

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You raise some very interesting points here. Last time I was in Oahu I couldn’t believe some of the poverty I saw outside of Waikiki. Like a third world country. Billions of tourist revenue every year for beachfront property that was basically stolen from the natives if you read the history. Why shouldn’t the descendants be getting some of that money? 

In 65 years as a state, a Republican has been governor for 11 of them.  Of the 130 years of Senator service time, Democrats hold 118.  The only Republican was the first one, from 1959 to 1977.  Since 1956, Hawaii has had only 5 years of Republican representation in the House.

 

Being run by Democrats virtually the entire time, I can honestly say that I'm not shocked. 

[The Real timschochet 3,943]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

  Like with Texas.  It's not a debate whether they are defying the SC.  

This is why I choose not to discuss this with you. Because it IS a debate, many people think they are defying the SC, but your mind isn’t open to it. So it’s not worth taking the time exploring the question. At least not with you. 

[Strike 4,290]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is why I choose not to discuss this with you. Because it IS a debate, many people think they are defying the SC, but your mind isn’t open to it. So it’s not worth taking the time exploring the question. At least not with you. 

So post a link.   Not difficult if there's any merit to your assertion.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

In 65 years as a state, a Republican has been governor for 11 of them.  Of the 130 years of Senator service time, Democrats hold 118.  The only Republican was the first one, from 1959 to 1977.  Since 1956, Hawaii has had only 5 years of Republican representation in the House.

 

Being run by Democrats virtually the entire time, I can honestly say that I'm not shocked. 

I’m actually open to the argument that Democratic policies have done little to alleviate poverty. Whether it’s in Hawaii, or the inner cities of America, there is no doubt that traditional liberalism hasn’t achieved the desired results. I can’t argue with that. Truth matters. 

My problem is that I haven’t heard compelling alternatives from conservative sources. Whenever they get into power they want to cut liberal spending. But they don’t replace that spending. They talk about helping small businesses but they only seek to do that by lowering taxes and regulations which really only benefit large corporations and businesses that can already afford to take advantage of that. And they support school vouchers which benefits expensive private schools but does nothing for the schools that the vast majority of students in these poor areas will continue to attend. So those don’t seem like good solutions to me. Offer some real practical solutions and I’m open to them, 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m actually open to the argument that Democratic policies have done little to alleviate poverty. Whether it’s in Hawaii, or the inner cities of America, there is no doubt that traditional liberalism hasn’t achieved the desired results. I can’t argue with that. Truth matters. 

My problem is that I haven’t heard compelling alternatives from conservative sources. Whenever they get into power they want to cut liberal spending. But they don’t replace that spending. They talk about helping small businesses but they only seek to do that by lowering taxes and regulations which really only benefit large corporations and businesses that can already afford to take advantage of that. And they support school vouchers which benefits expensive private schools but does nothing for the schools that the vast majority of students in these poor areas will continue to attend. So those don’t seem like good solutions to me. Offer some real practical solutions and I’m open to them, 

Democrat ideologies are great for the mid-sized and smaller towns where as at larger city, state, and federal levels, the Republican ideology is at its best.

Republican's believe in a more hands off government that puts larger money making endeavors ahead of everything else.  At that point, they all for the money to be dispersed at lower levels.  From there, liberal ideologies work at its best in the distribution of those funds.

The problem is that too many people want the liberal ideology to be the overarching one without the concept that this would lead to socialism. 

 

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The 2nd Amendment does not give people the right to carry a gun in public... that is a states rights amendment.  The only thing the 2nd Amendment does is give the people the right to OWN the gun in first place.

NYSRPA v. Bruen says differently, no?

[Fireballer 2,474]

What did SCOTUS tell Texas not to do?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,964]

They had their land stolen?  Tough sh#t.  Not a country on this planet hasn't been invaded and had sh#t, land and territory taken from them.  I guarantee you previous inhabitants of the Hawaiian Islands took land and territory from other inhabitants.  Ultimately, you got to be able to defend your yourself.  Living in mud huts slinging bows and arrows aint' gonna' to do it in the Iron Age.

We hear the same sh#t about Native Americans, but they were taking sh#t from each other too (and raping and taking slaves too).  GTFO, I say.

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When they start talking about the Spirit of Aloha, I get so confused I don’t know if I’m coming or going. 

[Hardcore troubadour 13,327]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

What did SCOTUS tell Texas not to do?

They won’t answer you. And we know why. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,964]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They won’t answer you. And we know why. 

Don't you know you Revisionist History, HT?

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Don't you know you Revisionist History, HT?

It’s not happening is their motto. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,964]

So how does someone stop this inane ruling?  Does someone have to file something with the SCOTUS and they stay the order if they take the case?