“Useful Idiots”: Trump, Tucker Carlson, and the modern day conservative movement that seems to love Putin and Russia

[seafoam1 2,858]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So history repeats itself: just as in 1938-1941, a handful of Republicans and isolationists are going to keep us from helping to prevent aggression in Eastern Europe. We will regret the results. 

We have our own problems here at home. Ukraine is trash. Crooked on top of crooked. It the Europeans love them so much, let them take care of them. 

We in this country are getting invaded at our own border.

Even your fellow comrades are getting sick of it. 

Chicago Democrats turn against Mayor Johnson on migrant issue: 'We asked for it'

 

The migrant crisis could "flip the state of Illinois purple," local Chicago Democrats warned Mayor Brandon Johnson.

A National Review report on Monday spoke with various activists and Democratic candidates on the growing number of migrants in the city. Cook County Board of Commissioners candidate Zerlina Smith-Members was particularly vocal on public funds being used to house migrants instead of helping the homeless.

"We have people who have come here illegally, who have jumped the line," Smith-Members said.

"It’s a Biden thing. It’s a [Illinois Gov. J.B.] Pritzker thing. It’s a Brandon Johnson thing. They wanted sanctuary cities," Smith-Members said. "It’s not Abbott’s fault, because he didn’t ask for it. We asked for it."

She added, "It’s just a lot, and it’s overwhelming."

Peace activist Dr. Lora Chamberlain similarly pushed back on the idea that Abbott was to blame.

"What state could possibly take in millions of refugees?" she asked.

Others pointed to a growing resentment among that African-American community over the preferential treatment of migrants.

"The reality is, if you look at Chicago now, you have high unemployment rates among African-American youth in particular, you have a lack of mental-health services in Chicago, you had thousands of homeless people in Chicago already that were never, ever focused on like they are focusing on the migrants," South Side activist Tio Hardiman said.

 

"I’m not against them living their lives," Hardiman added. "It’s creating too much competition between poor people in Chicago that never, ever received this level of support. Never ever."

Hardiman said Johnson’s policies on the issue have "really discouraged" him.

"If I was the mayor right now, I would make an executive decision to bring an end to sanctuary-city [status] in Chicago," he added. "I would get rid of it because we’re not prepared to deal with it."

The National Review reported that Smith-Members is attempting to launch a recall against Johnson over the migrant crisis.

"There’s a division in our Democratic Party. It has weakened. It is going to get worse," Smith-Members said. "The city of Chicago voters have woke up. The state of Illinois voters have woke up. And they’re not standing with our old leadership."

She declared, "The immigration crisis is going to flip the state of Illinois purple."

The mayor’s office didn't immediately respond for comment. 

According to numbers reported by local ABC affiliate WLS, more than 35,000 migrants arrived in Chicago in the last year and a half.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

MAGAturd logic.

United States aids Ukraine in its fight to save its democracy against a dictator, with world stability in the balance.

MAGAturds: Fock 'em. America First. Putin is a lovely man. Democrats are warmongers.

Clownzo supports Russia attacking NATO countries, potentially causing World War III and millions of men, women and children killed.

MAGAturds: Hells yeah! Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! The Confederacy will rise again. Go war! Yee haw! Hey sister, take off them burlap panties and dance for me! Let's fock! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

 

[seafoam1 2,858]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

MAGAturd logic.

United States aids Ukraine in its fight to save its democracy against a dictator, with world stability in the balance.

MAGAturds: Fock 'em. America First. Putin is a lovely man. Democrats are warmongers.

Clownzo supports Russia attacking NATO countries, potentially causing World War III and millions of men, women and children killed.

MAGAturds: Hells yeah! Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! The Confederacy will rise again. Go war! Yee haw! Hey sister, take off them burlap panties and dance for me! Let's fock! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

 

 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Peefoamosexual = WPOAT.

[seafoam1 2,858]

9 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Peefoamosexual = WPOAT.

pimpledoosh votes for tjis.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal - NYT. No wonder she crawled out of her hole to spout off. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

Donald Trump tried to build hotels in Russia prior to Putin and while Putin was in charge. He was never able to do it. The Clintons and the Bidens made fortunes from Russia. 

[Fnord 2,135]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Donald Trump tried to build hotels in Russia prior to Putin and while Putin was in charge. He was never able to do it. The Clintons and the Bidens made fortunes from Russia. 

Right, and he committed obstruction during the Mueller investigation in the hope of obfuscating the fact that he continued to do so while in office. 

[thegeneral 3,065]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Donald Trump tried to build hotels in Russia prior to Putin and while Putin was in charge. He was never able to do it. The Clintons and the Bidens made fortunes from Russia. 

Donald has gotten plenty of money from Russians, in the hundreds of millions…as well as all the urine from the hookers.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

10 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Right, and he committed obstruction during the Mueller investigation in the hope of obfuscating the fact that he continued to do so while in office. 

He wasn’t running his hugely successful empire while he was in office. And if he obstructed, why didn’t he get charged? He’s fit to stand trial , unlike the vegetable in office now. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Donald has gotten plenty of money from Russians, in the hundreds of millions…as well as all the urine from the hookers.

I’m not aware of that. Perhaps you can elaborate? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,844]

Putin would beat Joe Biden's old ass till he walks straight. 

[Mark Davis 364]

On 2/12/2024 at 2:58 PM, The Real timschochet said:

And BTW if you’re a conservative who wants to help Ukraine but supports Trump for other reasons, this isn’t about you. I am not criticizing you on this subject. This thread is specifically about those conservatives who are objecting to helping Ukraine- they are useful idiots who are making us and the world less safe. They are doing damage and helping murderous dictators in real time. 

I actually tend to agree that these are important, very important things.  It is true, especially in my view in the case of China/Taiwan that if we don't support them now it may cost us more later.  However, we do have to come to grips with the fact we can't afford to keep paying for this and all the programs we run today.  We can point fingers at both sides for spending money we don't have, but it's foolish to keep ignoring inflation and to think it's only Covid related.  Our time to pay the piper is coming.

While I don't agree with all of the rationale of some of the no votes, I do agree that we need to secure our border and that is a first step.  I'm all for helping Israel, and yes Ukraine.  But we should find the money from another program.  And the question is always, which one?  But there has to be an answer because we can't keep printing money, spending more than we take in, and expecting inflation to remain in check.  They are painful choices, but any of them are preferable to taking the path we are on, which is to spend until we can no longer sell our debt or inflation grows even steeper.

That's why eventually, regardless of what politicians tell us, entitlements of all kinds are going to have to be reformed.  I have lost hope that it will be by choice and to head it off in as painless of a way as possible, but rather when we are given no choice.  The population itself is too addicted to the government and not wanting to give up their share of what they are getting.  Nobody can win office by running against these things.  It's too easy to tell everyone we can have full Social Security benefits, pay for social safety nets, healthcare, all of these things that are simply no longer long term realities.  

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

10 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I actually tend to agree that these are important, very important things.  It is true, especially in my view in the case of China/Taiwan that if we don't support them now it may cost us more later.  However, we do have to come to grips with the fact we can't afford to keep paying for this and all the programs we run today.  We can point fingers at both sides for spending money we don't have, but it's foolish to keep ignoring inflation and to think it's only Covid related.  Our time to pay the piper is coming.

While I don't agree with all of the rationale of some of the no votes, I do agree that we need to secure our border and that is a first step.  I'm all for helping Israel, and yes Ukraine.  But we should find the money from another program.  And the question is always, which one?  But there has to be an answer because we can't keep printing money, spending more than we take in, and expecting inflation to remain in check.  They are painful choices, but any of them are preferable to taking the path we are on, which is to spend until we can no longer sell our debt or inflation grows even steeper.

That's why eventually, regardless of what politicians tell us, entitlements of all kinds are going to have to be reformed.  I have lost hope that it will be by choice and to head it off in as painless of a way as possible, but rather when we are given no choice.  The population itself is too addicted to the government and not wanting to give up their share of what they are getting.  Nobody can win office by running against these things.  It's too easy to tell everyone we can have full Social Security benefits, pay for social safety nets, healthcare, all of these things that are simply no longer long term realities.  

Look while I totally appreciate what you’re saying here I can never buy into this “we can’t afford to spend the money” argument for the simple reason that we’re talking about a tiny amount of the total budget; not spending it will have no impact whatsoever on the total debt or deficit. 

Our national debt is a huge problem no doubt, but at this point it is so large that we will never be able to solve it by cutting spending, because the American public would never tolerate the amount of drastic cuts we would have to make. Therefore the only solution is to grow the economy. That means more trade, that’s ultimately the only way to do it. We need to oppose the Trumps on one side and the AOCs and Bernie Sanders on the other side and promote policies that will bring us more trade. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

The U. S. Imports more than it exports. Tim wants more of that, at the same time he wants to import more uneducated and unskilled illegals.  Should work out for us. 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The U. S. Imports more than it exports. 

Please explain how this hurts us. Would you rather we pay higher prices for the products we consume?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please explain how this hurts us. Would you rather we pay higher prices for the products we consume?  

Well Tim, if we make things and our people are employed, that’s a good thing. Yes, I would rather pay higher prices for that. Why is my I phone so expensive? And my car? They aren’t made here. So what good is it doing me that it’s made elsewhere cheaper? I’m not getting the benefit. Someone is, but it’s not me. I guess some of the junk we buy might cost a little more, but I can live without Junk. 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

33 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well Tim, if we make things and our people are employed, that’s a good thing. Yes, I would rather pay higher prices for that. Why is my I phone so expensive? And my car? They aren’t made here. So what good is it doing me that it’s made elsewhere cheaper? I’m not getting the benefit. Someone is, but it’s not me. I guess some of the junk we buy might cost a little more, but I can live without Junk. 

You are getting the benefit. You’re complaining about the price of your IPhone and your car but if they were all made here your prices would be much higher. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You are getting the benefit. You’re complaining about the price of your IPhone and your car but if they were all made here your prices would be much higher. 

So Apple could get more for their phones, but they choose not to? I thought the market sets the price? Why are Air Jordan’s so much? They aren’t made here

[Maximum Overkill 1,844]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

Obama needs to stand trial. This is unacceptable. It’s fascist. 

[Mark Davis 364]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look while I totally appreciate what you’re saying here I can never buy into this “we can’t afford to spend the money” argument for the simple reason that we’re talking about a tiny amount of the total budget; not spending it will have no impact whatsoever on the total debt or deficit. 

Our national debt is a huge problem no doubt, but at this point it is so large that we will never be able to solve it by cutting spending, because the American public would never tolerate the amount of drastic cuts we would have to make. Therefore the only solution is to grow the economy. That means more trade, that’s ultimately the only way to do it. We need to oppose the Trumps on one side and the AOCs and Bernie Sanders on the other side and promote policies that will bring us more trade. 

I'd say that you could make the same argument with most any program in our budget.  You or I may personally disagree on any one program, but they all have people who would talk about how absolutely necessary they are.  When it comes to Israel, Taiwan, Ukraine, it's probably as close as we would be on agreement.  I'd actually like us to find a way to support Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.  I'd just like us to honestly find a way to pay for it.  

I personally am opposed though to doing more Gaza funding because we have no control over those funds and I believe a large majority of it is commandeered by Hamas.  I don't like that part of this bill.  We can argue the roughly $10B that goes into that and how relevant it is in relation to our deficit.  However, I think of things in these terms.  If we have roughly 330 million people today in the U.S., that's $30 for every man, woman, and child.  My family of 4 is essentially borrowing another $120 for that line item.  The $90B bill itself is about $273 for every man, woman, and child.  For a family of 4, it's over $1000.  Again, maybe worth it, but it's real money and not exactly insignificant.  All these programs and spending bills add up.

[MDC 7,223]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You are getting the benefit. You’re complaining about the price of your IPhone and your car but if they were all made here your prices would be much higher. 

You’re 100% right and that’s the biggest reason why manufacturing left the US. Not China or NAFTA. It’s because US consumers don’t want to pay a price for goods that’s consistent with what it costs to pay US labor. 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re 100% right and that’s the biggest reason why manufacturing left the US. Not China or NAFTA. It’s because US consumers don’t want to pay a price for goods that’s consistent with what it costs to pay US labor. 

Of course. So how do we fix that without hurting our overall prosperity? We do so by shifting the jobs from the Midwest to the coasts. That’s inevitable and been happening for a number of years. It’s why California will remain the place to be. We can’t protect those jobs in the Midwest, we can’t bring them back. 

[iam90sbaby 2,529]

20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please explain how this hurts us. Would you rather we pay higher prices for the products we consume?  

I'm okay paying higher prices to buy American products, absolutely doofus

[MDC 7,223]

46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course. So how do we fix that without hurting our overall prosperity? We do so by shifting the jobs from the Midwest to the coasts. That’s inevitable and been happening for a number of years. It’s why California will remain the place to be. We can’t protect those jobs in the Midwest, we can’t bring them back. 

We could also collectively agree to pay higher prices to keep manufacturing jobs in the US? But I don’t see many people pounding the table for that.

[Fnord 2,135]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course. So how do we fix that without hurting our overall prosperity? We do so by shifting the jobs from the Midwest to the coasts. That’s inevitable and been happening for a number of years. It’s why California will remain the place to be. We can’t protect those jobs in the Midwest, we can’t bring them back. 

Huh? How does moving jobs from the Midwest to the coasts help lower the prices for the goods those jobs are producing? Labor costs more on the coasts, as does the property, infrastructure, etc.

[thegeneral 3,065]

While Comrade Tucker is gently caressing Vlad and talking about how beautiful Moscow is in the winter we got this going on:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/politics/house-intel-chairman-serious-national-security-threat/index.html

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

You’re 100% right and that’s the biggest reason why manufacturing left the US. Not China or NAFTA. It’s because US consumers don’t want to pay a price for goods that’s consistent with what it costs to pay US labor. 

Oh. I guess dropping the tariffs a part of NAFTA didn’t matter? Why do you think they call it “free” trade?  Nice work just saying stuff once again.  

[MDC 7,223]

Hey Tim she needs attention and it’s Valentine’s Day. You’re up brother.  

[seafoam1 2,858]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Hey Tim she needs attention and it’s Valentine’s Day. You’re up brother.  

3;40 pm. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

25 minutes ago, MDC said:

Hey Tim she needs attention and it’s Valentine’s Day. You’re up brother.  

🏳

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Putin murders his top critic and enemy.  Geek Club celebrates.  Useful idiots.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25976283/putin-navalny-dead-russia-jail/

 

[Cdub100 3,868]

On 2/12/2024 at 3:53 PM, The Real timschochet said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/01/why-does-putin-have-superfans-among-the-us-right-wing
 

Putin is a white nationalist, homophobic, misogynist…do these have anything to do with it? The Guardian thinks so…

Stop! You're making me like him more. If you said he was racist I'd probably move to Russia.

[Herbivore 1,119]

30 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Stop! You're making me like him more. If you said he was racist I'd probably move to Russia.

he is racist

[Cdub100 3,868]

Just now, Herbivore said:

he is racist

[squistion 2,038]

 

 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

21 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

 

The sad part is they all think that Biden is trying to murder Trump.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

45 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

 

Wow. You fell for this stupidity. Fake news.