Timmy’s thread for general discussion

[Gepetto 1,354]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because Netanyahu is a wannabe dictator who is not serving our interests (or frankly the Jewish people of Israel.) 

How so?

[jonmx 2,427]

6 hours ago, Gepetto said:

How so?

Anyone who does not agree with Leftists are evil dictators.  At the same time leftists are ceding all individual liberties and rights to powerful government agencies, corrupt institutions, and mega corporations.  

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

20 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Anyone who does not agree with Leftists are evil dictators.  At the same time leftists are ceding all individual liberties and rights to powerful government agencies, corrupt institutions, and mega corporations.  

Thanks for answering for me! I was going to explain how Bibi is involved in a little ethnic cleansing, how he tried to help Hamas before October 7, how he wants the Palestinians completely removed from Gaza so he can build a greater Israel there, how he has no interest in a two state solution, etc. etc. But your explanation works too! 

[seafoam1 2,931]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for answering for me! I was going to explain how Bibi is involved in a little ethnic cleansing, how he tried to help Hamas before October 7, how he wants the Palestinians completely removed from Gaza so he can build a greater Israel there, how he has no interest in a two state solution, etc. etc. But your explanation works too! 

This world could use a little cleansing. This country could use some cleansing.

Close the borders and scrub away the trash. 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

This world could use a little cleansing. This country could use some cleansing.

Close the borders and scrub away the trash. 

If this ever happened you’d be one of the first to be scrubbed. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If this ever happened you’d be one of the first to be scrubbed. 

Says the violent leftist...

You fit right in with the problem. . 

[Voltaire 5,281]

15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Tell you what. I trust the integrity of @Voltaire and @jerryskids as much as I do anyone here. I disagree with them most of the time but they strike me as honest. Let them read the last page or so of this thread, including your argument as to why you think I lost, and my response. If either one of them agree with you I will send you the $2000. Agreed? 

 

Tim, you may not be aware, but there's been months-long speculation in some right-wing circles that the Democratic Party elders would dump Biden or convince him to drop out. We could hardly believe our good fortune that he would win the nomination again. Surely the Democrat power brokers would find some way to get this incompetent, uninspiring, doddering old fool out of the picture. That's why all these people bet you.

Well, the best opportunity for these Democratics to step in and dump him has come and gone. Biden has rolled up the delegates and the chatter that he'll be replaced died down greatly when Biden didn't face-plant during the State of the Union. As his campaign keeps going full speed ahead, even if he personally only maxes out at 20% speed ahead, this is looking more and more inevitable and unethical guys like George are looking to manufacture a loophole to get off the hook of the bet. 

I don't know that superdelegates can do anything to stop him at this point. There still remains a chance that if his poll numbers are in the toilet or if his health declines to a point where even he is convinced he cannot win, that he would willingly withdraw. One thing we've all noticed by now though is that Joe Biden consistently remained bull-headed stubborn on matters of his age, competence, and desire to run again.

I think George should honor his bet and that if the Democratic Convention comes and goes with Biden as the nominee, that's the point the bet should be paid. 

[jonmx 2,427]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for answering for me! I was going to explain how Bibi is involved in a little ethnic cleansing, how he tried to help Hamas before October 7, how he wants the Palestinians completely removed from Gaza so he can build a greater Israel there, how he has no interest in a two state solution, etc. etc. But your explanation works too! 

Considering that the main objective of the Palestinian leadership for the last 70 years is the complete elimination of Jews from Israel, what Bibi is doing falls firmly in the camp of self-defense not ethnic cleansing.  

 

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If this ever happened you’d be one of the first to be scrubbed. 

This is a fact and is the true nature of modern leftist, which is the political cleansing of the population to eliminate those who advocate individual Liberties over the power of the government.   

You pretty much proved what I said. 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

Tim, you may not be aware, but there's been months-long speculation in some right-wing circles that the Democratic Party elders would dump Biden or convince him to drop out. We could hardly believe our good fortune that he would win the nomination again. Surely the Democrat power brokers would find some way to get this incompetent, uninspiring, doddering old fool out of the picture. That's why all these people bet you.

Well, the best opportunity for these Democratics to step in and dump him has come and gone. Biden has rolled up the delegates and the chatter that he'll be replaced died down greatly when Biden didn't face-plant during the State of the Union. As his campaign keeps going full speed ahead, even if he personally only maxes out at 20% speed ahead, this is looking more and more inevitable and unethical guys like George are looking to manufacture a loophole to get off the hook of the bet. 

I don't know that superdelegates can do anything to stop him at this point. There still remains a chance that if his poll numbers are in the toilet or if his health declines to a point where even he is convinced he cannot win, that he would willingly withdraw. One thing we've all noticed by now though is that Joe Biden consistently remained bull-headed stubborn on matters of his age, competence, and desire to run again.

I think George should honor his bet and that if the Democratic Convention comes and goes with Biden as the nominee, that's the point the bet should be paid. 

Thank you. I completely agree that @Engorgeous George behaved unethically. Unfortunately @Strike already agreed with him and therefore I will be paying him (assuming he is willing to accept Venmo or PayPal- I’m not sending him a check.) 

[Voltaire 5,281]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t look for ways to weasel out of things or trick people after I know I’ve lost. So I will pay the man, and be done with it. It’s total bullsh!t, and he knows it, but he’ll get my money. 

Politics aside, what is happening to you is bullsh*t, and my respect for your personal integrity has just maxxed out. 

 

[seafoam1 2,931]

21 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

This is a fact and is the true nature of modern leftist, which is the political cleansing of the population to eliminate those who advocate individual Liberties over the power of the government.   

You pretty much proved what I said. 

It's too with these liberals. They expose themselves at every turn.

 

[seafoam1 2,931]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Politics aside, what is happening to you is bullsh*t, and my respect for your personal integrity has just maxxed out. 

 

The original bet was that creepy joe would beat Trump. 

[Voltaire 5,281]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you. I completely agree that @Engorgeous George behaved unethically. Unfortunately @Strike already agreed with him and therefore I will be paying him (assuming he is willing to accept Venmo or PayPal- I’m not sending him a check.) 

I'd stopped reading at the point in page 46 when I was asked for an opinion, wrote that post, and then kept reading. My goodness, I am so sorry to see this happen to you, Tim.

[Voltaire 5,281]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

The original bet was that creepy joe would beat Trump. 

I guess that should be looked up. The way everyone has been talking about the bet, it revolved around if Biden would be the eventual Democratic nominee, not if he would beat Trump in the general election.

[seafoam1 2,931]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I guess that should be looked up. The way everyone has been talking about the bet, it revolved around if Biden would be the eventual Democratic nominee, not if he would beat Trump in the general election.

I guess. I remember the initial warping of the terms. And timmy being all over the place and it was Trump vs creepy joe, but after that, I lost interest after the bet was made. 

Too dramatic in the end. Typical liberal situation. 

[squistion 2,132]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I guess that should be looked up. The way everyone has been talking about the bet, it revolved around if Biden would be the eventual Democratic nominee, not if he would beat Trump in the general election.

That is my recollection. 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

For clarity there were two wagers offered. The first was 4-1 odds that Biden would be the nominee. The second was even odds that Biden would win. Several people took me up on both bets. George only took me up on the first one. 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

21 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

. My goodness, I am so sorry to see this happen to you, Tim.

Please don’t be. I was pretty pissed off yesterday but it’s over and it means nothing to me. @Engorgeous George has shown himself to be a weasel and an awful person. I would never have pulled the crap he pulled, not on anyone here. Whatever. I will pay him and then I hope never to encounter him again. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please don’t be. I was pretty pissed off yesterday but it’s over and it means nothing to me. @Engorgeous George has shown himself to be a weasel and an awful person. I would never have pulled the crap he pulled, not on anyone here. Whatever. I will pay him and then I hope never to encounter him again. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

So creepy joe is again the nominee. 

Liberals are so stupid. 

[jonnyutah 272]

Trying to pretend you have won a bet you havent is the worst kind of welching. 

Obviously you are right that Tim shouldnt be gloating about a bet that isnt settled yet, but come on. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

48 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Trying to pretend you have won a bet you havent is the worst kind of welching. 

Obviously you are right that Tim shouldnt be gloating about a bet that isnt settled yet, but come on. 

 

Thank you. If I were he I’d be ashamed to collect this bet but I am not him (thankfully.) 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,277]

I saw a video a few years ago where a guy said please stop making me defend Trump, based on all the made up shitt and contrived nonsense from the left. Getting the same vibe here.  Don’t pay. 

[Beaker15 236]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t want to talk about Dante. I think he’s going to be a great QB. I wish he had stayed at UCLA. But he’s not even going to start next year is he? I read they have some other hot transfer. 
 

Oregon is at a disadvantage for Heismans like all teams on the West Coast. The only exception is USC. The other schools just can’t seem to win them. I think it’s an east coast bias. Phil Knight must have spent tons of money last year on Bo Nix and it came to nothing. 

Mariota won a Heisman at Oregon.  Nix would have won last year if Oregon beats Washington in Pac 12 Championship game.

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

18 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

Mariota won a Heisman at Oregon.  Nix would have won last year if Oregon beats Washington in Pac 12 Championship game.

Maybe so. I forgot about Marriota. 

[Mark Davis 389]

15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t want to talk about Dante. I think he’s going to be a great QB. I wish he had stayed at UCLA. But he’s not even going to start next year is he? I read they have some other hot transfer. 
 

Oregon is at a disadvantage for Heismans like all teams on the West Coast. The only exception is USC. The other schools just can’t seem to win them. I think it’s an east coast bias. Phil Knight must have spent tons of money last year on Bo Nix and it came to nothing. 

Oregon should thank Bryan Harsin for Bo Nix.  He single handedly ran him off from Auburn.  Now Knight sure stepped up once he was on the market.  Bo's dad is a big time coach in Alabama HS football and was at AU while I was there.  Still see them both around in Auburn, Bo was at one of the home basketball games this year.

[Maximum Overkill 1,914]

Bo Nix 

• Nearly 30 percent of his passes in 2023 were thrown behind the line of scrimmage, per Pro Football Focus.
• Tends to short-arm throws when blitz is leaking in.
• Decision-making can take a hit when he extends the play.
• Left easy touchdowns on the field due to overthrows.
• Bucket throws will come out a little flat.
• Needs to do a better job of throwing receivers away from coverage.

[jerryskids 6,733]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you. If I were he I’d be ashamed to collect this bet but I am not him (thankfully.) 

I have a little time now; where do I go to read what happened?  Is it all in this thread, or elsewhere.  If here, what pages/exchanges?

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I have a little time now; where do I go to read what happened?  Is it all in this thread, or elsewhere.  If here, what pages/exchanges?

Start on page 45 about halfway down the page. It won’t take you too long. 

[Strike 5,437]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Start on page 45 about halfway down the page. It won’t take you too long. 

Not gonna tell him about the other threads, huh?

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not gonna tell him about the other threads, huh?

It’s all repeated here. Do you think there’s something missing? 

[Strike 5,437]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It’s all repeated here. Do you think there’s something missing? 

Yes

[jerryskids 6,733]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s all repeated here. Do you think there’s something missing? 

Yes, there is no context.  I see this:

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So after all that noise across two separate threads and you don't want to settle the bet today

and then, @Engorgeous George saying that since Biden isn't officially the candidate as of today, he wins and you lose, and you agree.  Without context, that seems like a dumb position upon which to end the bet. 

I would need to see these other discussions to form an opinion.  

[Gepetto 1,354]

tim's offer to end the bet was for others to concede that Biden is the nominee. If they didn't want to concede now, they can wait and pay when (and if) Biden is officially the nominee. EG twisted it all up and tried to claim victory now. That's not what tim offered. No focking way tim should pay EG unless Biden at some point is not the official Democrat nominee. EG should pay tim if/when Biden is officially the nominee. Tim is also dumb and annoying for trying to claim victory early, but EG is weasely trying to take victory now too. 

[Engorgeous George 2,290]

41 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

tim's offer to end the bet was for others to concede that Biden is the nominee. If they didn't want to concede now, they can wait and pay when (and if) Biden is officially the nominee. EG twisted it all up and tried to claim victory now. That's not what tim offered. No focking way tim should pay EG unless Biden at some point is not the official Democrat nominee. EG should pay tim if/when Biden is officially the nominee. Tim is also dumb and annoying for trying to claim victory early, but EG is weasely trying to take victory now too. 

Tim wanted multiple times to take a victory lap before the runners even got in the blocks.  There was an implication that anyone denying his take and not paying up early was hiding behind a technicality waiting until the election to pay and denying him this opportunity to gloat right now though in the original discussions which lead to the bet there were plenty of discussions as to Biden's health and survivability and as to a brokered convention where superdelegates may knock Biden out.  Our bet had a very specific duration. The bet had just begun but he wanted his victory and was a bit of a b!tch about it across multiple threads.  I got sick of it.  I offered to take him up on his desire to settle the terms of the bet immediately.  He agreed.  (remember he postures himself as an expert on all things politics so he should be aware of the nominating process) The term of the bet was that at settlement Biden would not be the nominee.  He is not the nominee.  The nominee will be decide at the convention at the end of August.  That fact has been in all the papers. Tim lost and he knows he lost.  Tim is mad at himself.  He is also mad at me.  I don't give a sh!t.  I don't care about the money or about the opinions of others when all Tim had to do to win was shut his pie hole and wait out the terms of the bet. Now others are saying I should not have taken advantage of his hubris.  They are saying I should have allowed the blowhard to chirp for months maybe undermining my reputation as if I had an obligtion to pay him early and speculatively. I don't like Tim.  He is a liar and a bore.  Whether he pays up or not we shall see.  The lesson here is to stop and think before shooting off your mouth and inviting others to respond to you.  When you invite abuse it is rude not to accept it when it arrives.  Support his behavior as you like but be clear about it.  I did not seek him out to get out of the bet.  Rather he sought me ought on the subject to annoy me.  He succeeded.  I got annoyed then he did not like the response after it became clear that his own words were his trap.

 

Imagine instead had he simply said he predicts i will be one unhappy camper come November and just left it at that.  Imagine he said I am looking pretty stupid after the SOTU.  nope, he implied he has already won and I ought to be paying up except i am a bit of a poor sport who is going to make him wait.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, there is no context.  I see this:

and then, @Engorgeous George saying that since Biden isn't officially the candidate as of today, he wins and you lose, and you agree.  Without context, that seems like a dumb position upon which to end the bet. 

I would need to see these other discussions to form an opinion.  

I wasn’t trying to hide anything from you. But Im not sure what’s missing here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,277]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Tim wanted multiple times to take a victory lap before the runners even got in the blocks.  There was an implication that anyone denying his take and not paying up early was hiding behind a technicality waiting until the election to pay and denying him this opportunity to gloat right now though in the original discussions which lead to the bet there were plenty of discussions as to Biden's health and survivability and as to a brokered convention where superdelegates may knock Biden out.  Our bet had a very specific duration. The bet had just begun but he wanted his victory and was a bit of a b!tch about it across multiple threads.  I got sick of it.  I offered to take him up on his desire to settle the terms of the bet immediately.  He agreed.  (remember he postures himself as an expert on all things politics so he should be aware of the nominating process) The term of the bet was that at settlement Biden would not be the nominee.  He is not the nominee.  The nominee will be decide at the convention at the end of August.  That fact has been in all the papers. Tim lost and he knows he lost.  Tim is mad at himself.  He is also mad at me.  I don't give a sh!t.  I don't care about the money or about the opinions of others when all Tim had to do to win was shut his pie hole and wait out the terms of the bet. Now others are saying I should not have taken advantage of his hubris.  They are saying I should have allowed the blowhard to chirp for months maybe undermining my reputation as if I had an obligtion to pay him early and speculatively. I don't like Tim.  He is a liar and a bore.  Whether he pays up or not we shall see.  The lesson here is to stop and think before shooting off your mouth and inviting others to respond to you.  When you invite abuse it is rude not to accept it when it arrives.  Support his behavior as you like but be clear about it.  I did not seek him out to get out of the bet.  Rather he sought me ought on the subject to annoy me.  He succeeded.  I got annoyed then he did not like the response after it became clear that his own words were his trap.

 

Imagine instead had he simply said he predicts i will be one unhappy camper come November and just left it at that.  Imagine he said I am looking pretty stupid after the SOTU.  nope, he implied he has already won and I ought to be paying up except i am a bit of a poor sport who is going to make him wait.

 

 

Well, when you put it like that, you have to agree the man has a point. I’m much more approving of EG doing this out of spite. I assumed incorrectly that he was doing it to get out of the bet. Spite is a reasonable and admirable reason to proceed in this manner. 

[Gepetto 1,354]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Tim wanted multiple times to take a victory lap before the runners even got in the blocks.  There was an implication that anyone denying his take and not paying up early was hiding behind a technicality waiting until the election to pay and denying him this opportunity to gloat right now though in the original discussions which lead to the bet there were plenty of discussions as to Biden's health and survivability and as to a brokered convention where superdelegates may knock Biden out.  Our bet had a very specific duration. The bet had just begun but he wanted his victory and was a bit of a b!tch about it across multiple threads.  I got sick of it.  I offered to take him up on his desire to settle the terms of the bet immediately.  He agreed.  (remember he postures himself as an expert on all things politics so he should be aware of the nominating process) The term of the bet was that at settlement Biden would not be the nominee.  He is not the nominee.  The nominee will be decide at the convention at the end of August.  That fact has been in all the papers. Tim lost and he knows he lost.  Tim is mad at himself.  He is also mad at me.  I don't give a sh!t.  I don't care about the money or about the opinions of others when all Tim had to do to win was shut his pie hole and wait out the terms of the bet. Now others are saying I should not have taken advantage of his hubris.  They are saying I should have allowed the blowhard to chirp for months maybe undermining my reputation as if I had an obligtion to pay him early and speculatively. I don't like Tim.  He is a liar and a bore.  Whether he pays up or not we shall see.  The lesson here is to stop and think before shooting off your mouth and inviting others to respond to you.  When you invite abuse it is rude not to accept it when it arrives.  Support his behavior as you like but be clear about it.  I did not seek him out to get out of the bet.  Rather he sought me ought on the subject to annoy me.  He succeeded.  I got annoyed then he did not like the response after it became clear that his own words were his trap.

 

Imagine instead had he simply said he predicts i will be one unhappy camper come November and just left it at that.  Imagine he said I am looking pretty stupid after the SOTU.  nope, he implied he has already won and I ought to be paying up except i am a bit of a poor sport who is going to make him wait.

 

 

Yea, I can understand your point of view. He seems to have been annoying as fock about it and shouldn't have done that and should know what official nomination means and when it occurs. Biden could still lose (be replaced due to health or other reasons (even if unlikely) at the time of the Dem National Convention.

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Tim wanted multiple times to take a victory lap before the runners even got in the blocks.  There was an implication that anyone denying his take and not paying up early was hiding behind a technicality waiting until the election to pay and denying him this opportunity to gloat right now though in the original discussions which lead to the bet there were plenty of discussions as to Biden's health and survivability and as to a brokered convention where superdelegates may knock Biden out.  Our bet had a very specific duration. The bet had just begun but he wanted his victory and was a bit of a b!tch about it across multiple threads.  I got sick of it.  I offered to take him up on his desire to settle the terms of the bet immediately.  He agreed.  (remember he postures himself as an expert on all things politics so he should be aware of the nominating process) The term of the bet was that at settlement Biden would not be the nominee.  He is not the nominee.  The nominee will be decide at the convention at the end of August.  That fact has been in all the papers. Tim lost and he knows he lost.  Tim is mad at himself.  He is also mad at me.  I don't give a sh!t.  I don't care about the money or about the opinions of others when all Tim had to do to win was shut his pie hole and wait out the terms of the bet. Now others are saying I should not have taken advantage of his hubris.  They are saying I should have allowed the blowhard to chirp for months maybe undermining my reputation as if I had an obligtion to pay him early and speculatively. I don't like Tim.  He is a liar and a bore.  Whether he pays up or not we shall see.  The lesson here is to stop and think before shooting off your mouth and inviting others to respond to you.  When you invite abuse it is rude not to accept it when it arrives.  Support his behavior as you like but be clear about it.  I did not seek him out to get out of the bet.  Rather he sought me ought on the subject to annoy me.  He succeeded.  I got annoyed then he did not like the response after it became clear that his own words were his trap.

 

Imagine instead had he simply said he predicts i will be one unhappy camper come November and just left it at that.  Imagine he said I am looking pretty stupid after the SOTU.  nope, he implied he has already won and I ought to be paying up except i am a bit of a poor sport who is going to make him wait.

 

 

First off the bolded is a complete lie. I didn’t agree. I wrote I would wait. You insisted and finally I wrote “up to you” but also added I didn’t want the money and you could send it to a charity. I was indifferent about it. Then you pulled your crap, 

Second no I’m not mad at myself, at all. I was mad at you yesterday. Now I just think you’re pathetic and don’t really care. You can try and justify you’re being a jerk and a weasel all you want but most people reading this, even some who don’t like me very much, know that you are one. The fact that you don’t like me makes me pretty happy because if you did like me I’d be doing something wrong. 
 

I have received numerous private messages from people urging me not to pay you, along with several posts in this thread: However, I agreed to accept @Strike’s judgment on the matter and he sides with you so I will pay. But only by PayPal or Venmo. I will do that instantly, right now if you provide it. If you’re waiting for a check you can wait until hell freezes over. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

I have received numerous private messages from people urging me not to pay you, 

Do share.