Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Here's Ben Shapiro's take. I couldn't agree more.

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Trump Found Guilty. Pray For The Republic.

By  Ben Shapiro

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Late on Thursday afternoon, American democracy came under extraordinary threat when a New York jury, twelve New Yorkers, decided to convict Donald Trump. 

Trump was found guilty by the jury on 34 separate felony counts. If he is sentenced to jail time, that jail time could be up to four years, if all the sentences run concurrently.

It’s a travesty of justice.

This case was a joke from the very beginning. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who set this entire thing up to become more famous and more powerful. Judge Juan Merchan, who basically gave every benefit to the prosecution and whose jury instructions were unprecedented in their willingness to flout the law. 

This was all set up to convict Donald Trump simply so the Democrats could either jail Donald Trump or spend the next few months declaring Donald Trump a convicted felon for purposes of the 2024 election.

The actual methodology by which he was found guilty is utterly uncertain. The reality is there were two crimes alleged: a misdemeanor falsification of business records — which would not have resulted in any possible jail time — but to become a felony that was reliant on other unspecified crimes.

And those crimes could have been a violation of federal finance law — except that Donald Trump clearly did not violate federal finance law. Not only that, the federal government never even bothered to charge him with violating federal finance law, federal election law in 2016. 

Check your calendar. It is currently 2024, and the case that New York just made is effectively that Donald Trump violated election law in 2016 and falsified business records in 2017.

Somehow, despite the fact that the statute of limitations has run already, this is now a class E felony in the state of New York, lengthening the statute of limitations. The number of hoops they had to jump through in order to manufacture this case, is extraordinary. The number of pretzel-like contortions the prosecution had to drag the jury through was extraordinary.

But did any of that matter in the end? Was this ever about the legality of the case?

When the evidence was presented by a porn star, Stormy Daniels, or a convicted perjurer, Michael Cohen — was it ever about any of that? Or was it simply this: If you get Donald Trump in front of a jury of his supposed peers in New York City, one of the bluest places in America, and you charge him with anything, even if you charge him with jaywalking, they will convict him.

We all know the answer to this. This was, in fact, jury nullification, but it is also prosecutorial nullification and judicial nullification of the law.

This particular trial was about getting Donald Trump. So did they get Donald Trump? We have yet to find out. I think the backlash on this is going to be extraordinary, because this is so obviously a manufactured case and so obviously a stupid case that has nothing to do with Donald Trump’s supposed violations of law. I don’t think the American people are going to stand for this.

I think that if Joe Biden believes this is going to somehow redound to his benefit, rather than appearing as a politically-motivated hit job on his political opponent in an unprecedented prosecution of the man most likely to take him out of office in November, I think he’s got another thing coming.

I think this makes Joe Biden the hero in his own mind.

I don’t think the American people are going to react quite that way.

As to what happens next, there is a procedure and there is a process. But it is quite possible Donald Trump could end up in jail because Judge Merchan has been out to get Trump this entire time. From the gag order to the allowance of evidence, Judge Merchan has made clear he wants Donald Trump convicted. I think he’s going to make clear he wants him behind bars.

So what exactly happens next?

There will be a sentencing hearing. That sentencing hearing will be within two or three months of the verdict. So we’re going to get weeks and weeks of speculation about whether Donald Trump is going to go to jail.

Trump’s attorneys presumably will attempt to appeal to the judge and hope to postpone the sentencing beyond the election; Merchan is almost certainly not going to go along with that, because the reason he has structured this trial in this way is to convict Donald Trump and put him behind bars, or at least sentence him, prior to the election.

Trump is not going to be dragged to jail today. That’s not the way this works, because it’s a nonviolent felony. He will not be detained pre-sentencing or forced to post bail, in all likelihood. Instead, in the next few weeks, he’ll be dragged over to that dingy probation office at the New York City Courthouse.

The court could agree to stay Trump’s sentence pending an appeal. That process would last beyond the November 5 presidential election.

But again, I highly doubt they are going to stay Trump’s sentence pending the appeal. The only plausibility there is that if there were a sentence that were so short that it would actually be shorter than the appeals process itself, maybe you delay the sentencing until after the appellate process goes forward.

Merchan’s not going to do that, given everything we know about Merchan. It is highly likely Merchan will move forward with the sentencing hearing.

Merchan could impose a financial penalty, require him to do community service, undergo counseling. He could also impose home confinement, which would mean that Donald Trump would basically be confined to doing events in and around Mar-A-Lago in Florida.

It’s also possible that he could just throw him in jail. And no one knows what the hell happens then.

The Secret Service has been gaming out this possibility for months. If he ends up in prison, the Secret Service would have to screen his food and his personal items and watch him with a detail of agents 24 hours a day. The agents would be armed.

All of this is insane. The fact that we are even considering this is totally and utterly insane. We keep being told by the media that Merchan is unlikely to sentence him to any jail time, because he wouldn’t want to be the man who puts the chief Republican candidate in prison. I think precisely the reverse. I think Democrats truly believe that if they throw Trump in jail that the American people will surrender to the Biden administration.

This is a thwarting of basic standards of democracy; To take a political opponent on trumped-up charges, find him guilty, and then throw him in jail for purposes of the election, is insanity. It is third-world crap. It is insanity. 

And that’s presumably what we are talking about right now when we talk about the idea that a politically-motivated Manhattan D.A. could go into his job with the purpose of convicting Donald Trump.

That’s what we are talking about. Third-world nonsense. Not only that, the sentencing is going to be at least partially dependent on Trump’s attitude. So in the probation hearing, there are a few different factors that are going to be brought into play. His age, his health, his likelihood to commit an offense. But one of the factors is remorse.

You can see why that is. Normally in a criminal case, if somebody commits a really dire crime, they show no remorse at all. You can see why people would want them to be in jail. But in this particular case, it’s a catch-22 for Trump. If he shows remorse for a crime he did not commit, then Biden hammers him on that the rest of the election cycle.

If he doesn’t show remorse, then Merchan says he committed a crime: “I had to put a gag order on him and then he didn’t show remorse. I’m throwing him in jail.”

There is a very real possibility here that come November 5, Donald Trump is sitting in Rikers while the American people are voting. And if that’s the case, the American people should vote for him all the more, because this was a politically-motivated prosecution. 

The evidence was not there to support a conviction. In fact, the charges were not even there to support a conviction. That’s why Merchan had to come up with this bizarre theory whereby four jurors could vote for one underlying crime, four jurors could vote for another underlying crime, and the last four could vote for a third underlying crime, and they could combine all of those into one giant felony that would serve as the predicate for the class E felony for falsifying business records. 

There’s a high probability this will be reversed, either in the state or in the federal system. It’s certainly a violation of law in the state. It’s probably a violation of law federally, because using the Federal Elections Funding Act to convict a guy in state court is bizarre.

The Democrats just set the country on fire. 

The consequences of this are extraordinarily dire, because play this one all the way out: Let’s say for a second that Donald Trump is sent to jail by Merchan. Let’s say that while he is in jail, the election goes forth. And under those conditions, he then loses the election. 

If you think he was claiming rigging back in 2020, wait until you hear about 2024 when the Democrats charged him with a bunch of garbage and then got 12 like-minded jurors to throw him in jail under the auspices of a glory-seeking judge, and took him completely off the campaign trail and smeared him as a felon in advance of the election.

You’ve got all the same people crying, “Trump will be a tyrant. Trump will undermine the rule of law. We cannot have a country with Donald Trump, who will certainly destroy democracy.”

It is hard for me to think of anything less democratic than trumping up a charge on your political opponent to jail him during an election cycle. Especially when the candidate on your side is losing, which is what Joe Biden is doing right now.

Where do we go from here as a country? The polling shows that a huge percentage of Americans will not change their vote based on that. One of the things that makes the case so unbelievably astonishing is that this is an election that’s going to come down to tens of thousands of votes in a handful of swing states.

Right now, Donald Trump is leading outside the margin of error in Nevada, which means all he has to do is win Michigan or Pennsylvania and the election is over. The election could easily come down to 2000-4000 votes in one swing state. If Donald Trump were to lose in November while he’s serving prison time on a trumped-up charge, the response in the United States will be absolutely explosive.

You can only talk about an illegitimate president at that point. The American people will see a Democrat elected under those auspices as illegitimate. There’s no other way to even see that.

Biden is presumably going to make comments about the law having been done, and that no one is above the law, while simultaneously the DOJ attempted to broker a deal to save his own son from jail. He himself was spared a prosecution on mishandling of classified documents because he was supposedly a doddering elderly man, and he’s going to lecture us about how the justice system just worked.

It just did the reverse.

Pray for the Republic.

Because something truly terrible just happened in New York City.

More tears cultist.

MORE TEARS!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,249]

Libtards trying to turn this into a class warfare thing. You people are a joke. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

9 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

This is not a both sides boyo.

Cultist are cucks to Trump like no one has ever cucked for a politician before.

They believe his lies.  They think anything he loses is rigged.  They think anything he wins is legit.  They question established institutions only because he claims they're against him.

Cultist are nothing but unthinking cucks. 

 

If you think things wouldn't flip had Biden been indicted on something like this I've got a bridge to sell you. Politics is team rooting anymore pure and simple and the people in charge have configured it that way. Even Trump- despite what everyone in MAGA land wants to believe- is part of that system. 

Also, people who say things like "Boyo," "cucks" "bootlickin'" etc in a conversation aren't worthy of being taken seriously. So consider how close you are to being the blue jonmx.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

That Shapiro article is silly and you have to jump through, or outright ignore, a lot of things to get to his conclusion.

 

I wonder how many tears he shed writing it. 

 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

If you think things wouldn't flip had Biden been indicted on something like this I've got a bridge to sell you. Politics is team rooting anymore pure and simple and the people in charge have configured it that way. Even Trump- despite what everyone in MAGA land wants to believe- is part of that system. 

Also, people who say things like "Boyo," "cucks" "bootlickin'" etc in a conversation aren't worthy of being taken seriously. So consider how close you are to being the blue jonmx.

How did dems react when Hillary lost?  Did dems attack our capital?  Did dems spend four years every single day, multiple times a day crying about a stolen election?  Did Biden campaign on the 2016 election being stolen?  Did dems say courts were unfair when Hunter was indicted?

You can play this both sides do it if you want but you're wrong.  Cultist are beholden to a single man.  Nothing is true unless he says it is.  They fly flags with his name.  Put his face on Rambo's body for likely sexual reasons, etc.

Dems are nothing like this.

Cultist are raging cucks and we need to call them out for it. 

And jonmx is a moronic, CT believing shill.  How dare you compare me to him FFS...

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

How did dems react when Hillary lost?  Did dems attack our capital?  Did dems spend four years every single day, multiple times a day crying about a stolen election?  Did Biden campaign on the 2016 election being stolen?  Did dems say courts were unfair when Hunter was indicted?

You can play this both sides do it if you want but you're wrong.  Cultist are beholden to a single man.  Nothing is true unless he says it is.  They fly flags with his name.  Put his face on Rambo's body for likely sexual reasons, etc.

Dems are nothing like this.

Cultist are raging cucks and we need to call them out for it. 

And jonmx is a moronic, CT believing shill.  How dare you compare me to him FFS...

Believe what you want.

And if you act like jonmx- I'll compare you to him

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

If you think things wouldn't flip had Biden been indicted on something like this I've got a bridge to sell you. Politics is team rooting anymore pure and simple and the people in charge have configured it that way. Even Trump- despite what everyone in MAGA land wants to believe- is part of that system. 

Also, people who say things like "Boyo," "cucks" "bootlickin'" etc in a conversation aren't worthy of being taken seriously. So consider how close you are to being the blue jonmx.

100%

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

100%

We've already seen.

After 2016 democrats did not attack our capital or spend 4 years crying all day every day about a stolen election.

Biden's freaking kid was indicted, not a peep from dems. 

Case closed. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

We've already seen.

After 2016 democrats did not attack our capital or spend 4 years crying all day every day about a stolen election.

Biden's freaking kid was indicted, not a peep from dems. 

Case closed. 

Democrats didn't attack the capital. But they did spend 4 years crying about the election and about how Comey timed his release to hurt Hillary's campaign.

Democrats definitely complained about the indictment of Hunter.

You are lying. Stop lying.

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

We've already seen.

After 2016 democrats did not attack our capital or spend 4 years crying all day every day about a stolen election.

Biden's freaking kid was indicted, not a peep from dems. 

Case closed. 

Dems piss and moan non-stop and so do the republicans.  It's all about their team against the other team.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

34 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Fock off buttboy.  I have challenged everyone in this thread to identify what the underlying crime was.  So far zero.  Zero.  Nothing.  Nada.  There is no crime identified that legally makes this a felony.  The corrupt judge tipped the scales with fraudulant jury instructions..

 

Falsifying business records to influence an election.

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Democrats didn't attack the capital. But they did spend 4 years crying about the election and about how Comey timed his release to hurt Hillary's campaign.

Democrats definitely complained about the indictment of Hunter.

You are lying. Stop lying.

Are you actually comparing the non-stop cry fest from cultist about 2020 to dems bishing and moaning about the 2016 election?

Are you actually comparing Hunter's indictment reaction to anything we've seen from Trump and his cult over his indictments?

Man you live in another reality boyo. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

Trump today:

 

https://media1.tenor.com/m/m3TDUvSQpywAAAAC/jeffrey-tambor-worst-attorneys.gif

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Dems piss and moan non-stop and so do the republicans.  It's all about their team against the other team.

The magnitude of pissing and moaning ain't close.

Let's start with, which group attacked our capital after the loss?  Actually tried to put forth fake electors to steal the election?  Made having the election stolen as a primary tentpole of their next campaign.

You boys are hilarious trying to compare the two.  

I guess a wave pool is the same as a tsunami to you folks too...SMH

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Are you actually comparing the non-stop cry fest from cultist about 2020 to dems bishing and moaning about the 2016 election?

Are you actually comparing Hunter's indictment reaction to anything we've seen from Trump and his cult over his indictments?

Man you live in another reality boyo. 

You are not smart. 

Please change your name to jonDem

[jonmx 2,425]

40 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

We literally posted the statute multiple times you orange nosed, Trump bootlicking, CT moron. 

You're just too stupid to understand it.  It's not like you're bigly educated or anything which explains why you're a CT moron. 

You literally have not, you lying sack of crap.  The judge listed three possible crimes in laymen terms which could be considered for the underlying crime..  Tax fraud, election fraud, and campaign finance violations.  All seemingly federal crimes with no reference to the specific statute which applies.   The state has no authority or expertise to be referencing and convicting defendants based on federal crimes.  In fact the New York Code defines crimes as violations of state and local law.   

This case has so many fatal flaws that there is no way for it to stand up to appeals.   An honest person would admit such.  You have proven that you are not such a person. 

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

The magnitude of pissing and moaning ain't close.

Let's start with, which group attacked our capital after the loss?  Actually tried to put forth fake electors to steal the election?  Made having the election stolen as a primary tentpole of their next campaign.

You boys are hilarious trying to compare the two.  

I guess a wave pool is the same as a tsunami to you folks too...SMH

It's not a competition.  They both suck.  Everyone needs to grow the fock up.

[TBayXXXVII 2,519]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump today:

 

https://media1.tenor.com/m/m3TDUvSQpywAAAAC/jeffrey-tambor-worst-attorneys.gif

 

That's funny.... could've worked with Jorge Lopez meme too.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's not a competition.  They both suck.  Everyone needs to grow the fock up.

 

I do appreciate the gimmick he has going though of being told "Politics have become team rooting and people need to knock it off," and his response is "You guys are wrong. Here's what MAGAs do. Here's what Dems do. Dems don't do anything wrong, it's just MAGA......reeeeeeeee!"

[zsasz 366]

 

 

46 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There is a time in American history where an event like this would've happened and commoners from both sides would've looked at it and said "Good. You rich a-holes aren't above the law."

Now half the country looks at it and says "MAH PRESIDENT !!! DIS IS RIGGED!!" While the other half says "Democracy is saved!" as if it were ever in trouble. 

And if this had happened to Biden half the country would be burning incense in Times Square while sucking back 10 dollar Starbucks coffees crying and saying "WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!?!?" While the other half would be saying "SERVES HIM RIGHT! SOME 70 YEAR OLD JUDGE AND A VILLAIN OUT OF A LIFETIME MOVIE  ON DA FOX NEWS TOLD ME HE WAS DA BAD GUY!!"

 

People don't care about Joe Biden that much.  Let's not compare the tepid reception Joe Biden gets as a "not a Trump candidate" to the complete fanatical devotion that Donald Trump has with a not insignificant number of people in this country.  

I really don't think there's any non MAGA heads on this site who don't want Joe Biden, if he did commit a crime, to not be held accountable for it.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You are not smart. 

Please change your name to jonDem

LMFAO

You think anything the dems have done is equivalent to the MAGAtards attacking our capital.

You think Trump using the election was stolen as a tentpole for his 24 campaign is like anything the dems have done.

Who's not smart again boyo?  I give you facts you give me feelz.

BOF SIDEZ!!

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's funny.... could've worked with Jorge Lopez meme too.

It's sort of funny to me because....I think Trump is a smart guy, and he is obviously pretty rich. And for all that- he seems to get really bad lawyers for things and just generally at times surround himself with people who aren't that smart. 

[zsasz 366]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Look, Maga idiots, I know you're uncomfortable. Things don't add up. You're conflicted. What you feel is COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. I'll be straight with you:   He was never a builder. He was never competent. He was never "one of you." He is a lifelong criminal whose only skills are committing the con, selling the grift, engineering the fraud, and avoiding accountability. And "The Apprentice" was a reality show.  
Stop the defiance and come back to the light. Open your minds to truth, however unpleasant. And truth is, you feel uncomfortable because you've been played.

Stop feeling like you have to keep defending the indefensible.  Let it go. Embrace America and freedom and your fellow Americans.

Time for a new outlook on life.  Accept the loss and move on and be better.

Mark Burnett is to blame for all of this.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,519]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

It's sort of funny to me because....I think Trump is a smart guy, and he is obviously pretty rich. And for all that- he seems to get really bad lawyers for things and just generally at times surround himself with people who aren't that smart. 

He cuts corners on everything because he knows that even if things don't work out, he can always buy his way out.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, zsasz said:

 

 

 

People don't care about Joe Biden that much.  Let's not compare the tepid reception Joe Biden gets as a "not a Trump candidate" to the complete fanatical devotion that Donald Trump has with a not insignificant number of people in this country.  

I really don't think there's any non MAGA heads on this site who don't want Joe Biden, if he did commit a crime, to not be held accountable for it.  

 

I very specifically catered the reaction I wrote about to making the Dems reaction about Trump, and not about Biden. That is the point BeachGuy is missing constantly here. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

LMFAO

You think anything the dems have done is equivalent to the MAGAtards attacking our capital.

You think Trump using the election was stolen as a tentpole for his 24 campaign is like anything the dems have done.

Who's not smart again boyo?  I give you facts you give me feelz.

BOF SIDEZ!!

"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Your gimmick is tired dude. Give it a rest. 

[listen2me 23 1,846]

So is Biden a lock to win thr election now?

What say the geeks?  

[jonmx 2,425]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

So is Biden a lock to win thr election now?

What say the geeks?  

 

Lol....Biden will be lucky if the Democrats do not off him before the election. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Your gimmick is tired dude. Give it a rest. 

So no rebuttal eh?

I accept your surrender boyo. 

[squistion 2,123]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

So is Biden a lock to win thr election now?

What say the geeks?  

No. But I think his chances have improved slightly. 

[listen2me 23 1,846]

Just now, jonmx said:

 

Lol....Biden will be lucky if the Democrats do not off him before the election. 

Im just looking for some geeks to take a stab at it.  

Biden got 80 million votes.  Surly since the Don is a criminal many fence sitters will not vote for him.  

That leaves Biden as a very easy shoe in to win.  

What say the Libs?

[BeachGuy23 642]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

I very specifically catered the reaction I wrote about to making the Dems reaction about Trump, and not about Biden. That is the point BeachGuy is missing constantly here. 

LOL

What kind of sense does that make?

Did dems attack our capital because of Trump?  Have dems denied the election results every day all day because of Trump?

Holy moly...SMH

Let's see, dems are happy because Trump was convicted.  Ok

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So is Biden a lock to win thr election now?

What say the geeks?  

A lock? No. I don't think he is a lock for anything before the trial or after it.

I do think there is a chance the trial rallies the Trump base stronger. I think there is a chance Trump loses a lot of those people in the middle who are just gonna say "You know what, I can't vote for a felon."

Honestly- I wish the Republicans would run like a Nikki Haley or something and just end the Trump experiment. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im just looking for some geeks to take a stab at it.  

Biden got 80 million votes.  Surly since the Don is a criminal many fence sitters will not vote for him.  

That leaves Biden as a very easy shoe in to win.  

What say the Libs?

Almost anyone but Biden would crush Trump.  But Biden is perhaps the worst candidate of all time this go-round.

He no longer appeals to the groups he needs to appeal to, he completely botched the messaging of Trumpflation, and he looks ready to keel over at any time.

I still think Trump will win because his voters will come out and Biden's won't in the numbers he needs. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

LOL

What kind of sense does that make?

Did dems attack our capital because of Trump?  Have dems denied the election results every day all day because of Trump?

Holy moly...SMH

Let's see, dems are happy because Trump was convicted.  Ok

Again- "There aren't political teams....here is how the teams match up" is not the flex you think it is. 

[jonmx 2,425]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

LOL

What kind of sense does that make?

Did dems attack our capital because of Trump? 

The absolutely did.  The Dems burnt cars and locked down traffic and attacked people.  The only difference is there was security in place to prevent them from the evil crime of entering a public building.  

[jonmx 2,425]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

A lock? No. I don't think he is a lock for anything before the trial or after it.

I do think there is a chance the trial rallies the Trump base stronger. I think there is a chance Trump loses a lot of those people in the middle who are just gonna say "You know what, I can't vote for a felon."

Honestly- I wish the Republicans would run like a Nikki Haley or something and just end the Trump experiment. 

I would not vote for Haley with a gun to my head.  She is just a corrupt establishment-lite candidate.  

[jonmx 2,425]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im just looking for some geeks to take a stab at it.  

Biden got 80 million votes.  Surly since the Don is a criminal many fence sitters will not vote for him.  

That leaves Biden as a very easy shoe in to win.  

What say the Libs?

WTF are you talking about.  The libs are almost all transplants from FBG.  

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I would not vote for Haley with a gun to my head.  She is just a corrupt establishment-lite candidate.  

Pick any other candidate you want then- Christie, DeSantis...whomever....

[jonmx 2,425]

29 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Are you actually comparing the non-stop cry fest from cultist about 2020 to dems bishing and moaning about the 2016 election?

Are you actually comparing Hunter's indictment reaction to anything we've seen from Trump and his cult over his indictments?

Man you live in another reality boyo. 

You really are not familiar with the riots the day Trump was inaugurated.  There was widespread violence across the country including in the Capitol.  Far more violent than Jan 6th.