Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Yeah all of a sudden lots of people have 25k to put down and the prices don’t rise?  

FTR, the reason I am speculating that this won’t affect inflation is because nobody is handing people cash. The government would be giving the money directly to the lender  to lower the asking price by the amount. It doesn’t go directly into circulation which is how inflation is usually created. 
Now again I could be wrong about that. But even if I am, since our current inflation is a global phenomenon, this shouldn’t have a huge affect on it one way or another. 
 

Those are my two theories of the case. They’re not original to me and there’s plenty of disagreement. But they have NOTHING to do with Marxism, and @Strike and @RLLD don’t seem to be able to figure basic economics out enough to make that distinction. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Republicans are in favor of continuing subsidies for oil companies. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 

Republicans are in favor of building up our military by giving billions to aerospace. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 

Republicans are in favor of building Trump’s wall by giving billions to private manufacturers to finish it. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 
 

This is why guys like @Strike and the rest are such hypocrites. They only make these arguments when they oppose what the spending is for. Then it becomes inflation and Marxist. If they like the spending, they’re silent about all this stuff.  

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

FTR, the reason I am speculating that this won’t affect inflation is because nobody is handing people cash. The government would be giving the money directly to the lender  to lower the asking price by the amount. It doesn’t go directly into circulation which is how inflation is usually created. 
Now again I could be wrong about that. But even if I am, since our current inflation is a global phenomenon, this shouldn’t have a huge affect on it one way or another. 
 

Those are my two theories of the case. They’re not original to me and there’s plenty of disagreement. But they have NOTHING to do with Marxism, and @Strike and @RLLD don’t seem to be able to figure basic economics out enough to make that distinction. 

Inflation is still created, when you increase demand inflation results.

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She shows you who she really is if you just care to watch.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Reality said:

Great ad.

 

Dave McCormick doesn't even live in PA.  He ain't winning.  

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Just now, RLLD said:

Inflation is still created, when you increase demand inflation results.

In a vacuum when demand increases the price goes up. That’s not necessarily inflation BTW. 
But in this instance the demand for these houses is already there. And the government and outside factors are already heavily involved. So I’m not convinced that this will necessarily cause housing prices or any other prices to automatically rise. 

And I still need you to tell me what any of this has to do with Marxism? I read Das Kapital in college. Awful, boring book with terrible ideas which inevitably lead to horrible dictatorships. But I can’t recall anything in there about government helping people to buy homes in a capitalist society. Seems like an idea like that goes against the entire plan, no? 

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3 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

She shows you who she really is if you just care to watch.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Republicans are in favor of continuing subsidies for oil companies. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 

Republicans are in favor of building up our military by giving billions to aerospace. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 

Republicans are in favor of building Trump’s wall by giving billions to private manufacturers to finish it. Why doesn’t this create inflation? 
 

This is why guys like @Strike and the rest are such hypocrites. They only make these arguments when they oppose what the spending is for. Then it becomes inflation and Marxist. If they like the spending, they’re silent about all this stuff.  

Because they lap up whatever gruel their masters put in their bowl on the floor without questioning.  Their Republican Masters are for corporations and big wigs and fat cats. They really don't care about the little guy.  They are perhaps the most useful idiots of the past 100 years in politics.  

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

In a vacuum when demand increases the price goes up. That’s not necessarily inflation BTW. 
But in this instance the demand for these houses is already there. And the government and outside factors are already heavily involved. So I’m not convinced that this will necessarily cause housing prices or any other prices to automatically rise. 

And I still need you to tell me what any of this has to do with Marxism? I read Das Kapital in college. Awful, boring book with terrible ideas which inevitably lead to horrible dictatorships. But I can’t recall anything in there about government helping people to buy homes in a capitalist society. Seems like an idea like that goes against the entire plan, no? 

Nope.  This has been done before and it took the entire economy down.  If you create a situation where people have greater access without a commensurate increase in supply, you WILL see inflation....this is not unknown, or new, or some outlandish notion....its simple basic economic reality.

It was this very lack of respect that resulted in the nasty inflation we have seen for years.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Nope.  This has been done before and it took the entire economy down.  If you create a situation where people have greater access without a commensurate increase in supply, you WILL see inflation....this is not unknown, or new, or some outlandish notion....its simple basic economic reality.

It was this very lack of respect that resulted in the nasty inflation we have seen for years.

Did the GI Bill after 1945 create inflation? There wasn’t nearly enough houses at the time to satisfy the demand that was created. Then along came a guy named Levitt. Are you familiar with him? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Levitt

Let me offer an idea: increasing demand in home ownership is GOOD for society. It creates prosperity and stability. This is what we want. 

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did the GI Bill after 1945 create inflation? There wasn’t nearly enough houses at the time to satisfy the demand that was created. Then along came a guy named Levitt. Are you familiar with him? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Levitt

Let me offer an idea: increasing demand in home ownership is GOOD for society. It creates prosperity and stability. This is what we want. 

Trying to justify this......is seriously not what you are doing right? I mean, you MUST know that increasing access and demand.....without a commensurate increase in supply WILL create inflation.  Just like it did in the early 2000's, I mean....it JUST happened, how in gods name are you trying to pretend this is not true??  

C'mon man.... dont do this....

Inflation did rise post WWII btw

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

A more recent example than 1945: Prop 13 in California stabilized property taxes in this state ever since and created a huge demand in new homes here because it “artificially” allowed new buyers to afford houses by keeping the taxes low. Virtually every Republican supported it and still do; liberals hated it (and most still do.) The result of the new demand in homes was many more homes, stability, prosperity, and an economic dominance here that has lasted nearly 50 years. But that was a government investment that conservatives like, so words like “Marxism” never came up. 

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did the GI Bill after 1945 create inflation? There wasn’t nearly enough houses at the time to satisfy the demand that was created. Then along came a guy named Levitt. Are you familiar with him? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Levitt

Let me offer an idea: increasing demand in home ownership is GOOD for society. It creates prosperity and stability. This is what we want. 

Is it good for society when only 30% or (less now) of a state's population can even AFFORD to buy? How does that create prosperity for a state? The median price for a home in CA is 900k. That means you need to make AT LEAST $106k/year, only 39% of our households make that much. 

If this is what we want...not sure we're on our way there. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Trying to justify this......is seriously not what you are doing right? I mean, you MUST know that increasing access and demand.....without a commensurate increase in supply WILL create inflation.  Just like it did in the early 2000's, I mean....it JUST happened, how in gods name are you trying to pretend this is not true??  

C'mon man.... dont do this....

Inflation did rise post WWII btw

Again- I am not saying that it won’t create some inflation. I say we can’t know for sure. But whether it creates inflation or not, it’s still a good idea because increased home ownership is generally a good thing for our society; it creates prosperity and stability. 

And furthermore, I have to add that I’m suspicious of the conservative position here because I feel this isn’t about home ownership per se, it’s about the wrong people being able to buy homes. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Again- I am not saying that it won’t create some inflation. I say we can’t know for sure. But whether it creates inflation or not, it’s still a good idea because increased home ownership is generally a good thing for our society; it creates prosperity and stability. 

And furthermore, I have to add that I’m suspicious of the conservative position here because I feel this isn’t about home ownership per se, it’s about the wrong people being able to buy homes. 

Don't do things that tend to foment inflation, just dont....you are pointedly harming the lower classes in a disproportionate way....just dont....seriously....its mean.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Is it good for society when only 30% or (less now) of a state's population can even AFFORD to buy? How does that create prosperity for a state? The median price for a home in CA is 900k. That means you need to make AT LEAST $106k/year, only 39% of our households make that much. 

If this is what we want...not sure we're on our way there. 

No, it’s not good if only 30% can afford to buy. That’s what Kamala is trying to address here. Isn’t that the whole point? 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Just now, RLLD said:

Don't do things that tend to foment inflation, just dont....you are pointedly harming the lower classes in a disproportionate way....just dont....seriously....its mean.

This is such a ridiculous argument because it could apply to all government spending. But you never use it to target the spending that you like. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is such a ridiculous argument because it could apply to all government spending. But you never use it to target the spending that you like. 

Not ridiculous.  When you can avoid harming you should, do not implement programs that obviously will foment inflation, it has a compounding harm on people that takes years to unwind.   Its like a cancer, you cannot simply turn it off....I think you should have a greater respect for and fear of inflation.....

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, it’s not good if only 30% can afford to buy. That’s what Kamala is trying to address here. Isn’t that the whole point? 

Govt's giving lenders money has to come from somewhere; raising taxes again on those of us who are already working and pay what we do? The middle class is the only one that will be affected; the rich won't be affected like usual. We know that they're promises of taxing the rich, "equity" and all of that only means that they will continue to take from the middle class and make them poor. The rich will always be okay. 

If you just take CA and and Gavin forces CA lenders to take Govt money; where is he getting it from? Me. Maybe you're willing to pay more for things like this, but people like me are already strapped. You are "rich" in the eyes of CA, I am not. Why is it fair to continue to hurt me and my family and drive me into the ground? 

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And furthermore, I have to add that I’m suspicious of the conservative position here because I feel this isn’t about home ownership per se, it’s about the wrong people being able to buy homes. 

Fock off, seriously. 

The "wrong" people? 

Fock you, Tim. 

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Tim wakes up in the hospitol.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

11 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Fock off, seriously. 

The "wrong" people? 

Fock you, Tim. 

I’m sorry if you’re insulted. That wasn’t aimed at you personally. I’ve been reading a lot of conservatives claiming that this will help “illegal immigrants” and “undesirables” buy homes. I believe that, in the Trump era, there is a racist element to many of these arguments. I can offer you plenty of evidence for that. Sorry if that offends you. 

In regards to your earlier post: I do not believe that a program like this one would make it more difficult for you to purchase a home. I don’t believe it would come out of your pocket. On the contrary I believe it will make things more beneficial for you. If I didn’t believe that I would be opposed to it, so you needn’t accuse me of being in favor of your punishment. That is the opposite of my goal here. 

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47 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Because they lap up whatever gruel their masters put in their bowl on the floor without questioning.  Their Republican Masters are for corporations and big wigs and fat cats. They really don't care about the little guy.  They are perhaps the most useful idiots of the past 100 years in politics.  

This is absolutely HILARIOUS coming from a liberal. 

Like, seriously, look in a mirror pal.  You guys invented lapdogs and cults.

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m sorry if you’re insulted. That wasn’t aimed at you personally. I’ve been reading a lot of conservatives claiming that this will help “illegal immigrants” and “undesirables” buy homes. I believe that, in the Trump era, there is a racist element to many of these arguments. I can offer you plenty of evidence for that. Sorry if that offends you. 

 

Yeah, fock your apology. I don't accept it. I don't give a shiite what elements there are to many arguments, you painting it with that brush instead of reading my actual post about my concern which is continuing to drain the focking middle class and the poor. I mentioned race NO WHERE and neither did RLLD. And yet that's the judgement you chose. 

So, yeah, fock you. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Back to the campaign discussion: 

Biden talked a lot about the economy but his focus was always on jobs. In terms of the election, that was a mistake: the public is fine with the jobs market, they want to hear about prices, inflation. That’s part of the reason Biden got low grades. 

Kamala Harris’ team has correctly recognized this and her focus, in her big speech today, will be all about prices and how to bring them down. Her main proposal, which is effectively price controls, is problematic- I side with those who don’t think it will work, and I also think it’s extremely unlikely that she could ever get such a proposal through Congress anyhow. But as a political move it should be a winner and I think it will only advance her popularity. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah, fock your apology. I don't accept it. I don't give a shiite what elements there are to many arguments, you painting it with that brush instead of reading my actual post about my concern which is continuing to drain the focking middle class and the poor. I mentioned race NO WHERE and neither did RLLD. And yet that's the judgement you chose. 

So, yeah, fock you. 

You have the right to refuse my apology, obviously. I will repeat that there was no attempt to deliberately offend you. 

You seem like a very bright and good person though I strongly disagree with many of your takes and on this subject in particular. If you wish to engage in further discussion and debate I will always welcome it. If you don’t because you believe I offended you, that’s your privilege as well. Best wishes. 

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40 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Fock off, seriously. 

The "wrong" people? 

Fock you, Tim. 

Tim loves boiling everything down to race. He sees black in everything.  It's his MO to paint everyone that disagrees with him as racist.  

Next he will talk down to you because you're a woman.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,915]

Illegal alien that was caught and released at the border due to Harris/ Biden policy was found to be wanted for 23 murders in Peru. He made it to Buffalo before being apprehended. What kind of man is ok with subjecting their children to this unnecessary danger? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,915]

1 minute ago, JuneJuly said:

Tim loves boiling everything down to race. He sees black in everything.  It's his MO to paint everyone that disagrees with him as racist.  

Next he will talk down to you because you're a woman.

What else does he have? It’s not like he’s wowing anyone with his intellect.  

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18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What else does he have? It’s not like he’s wowing anyone with his intellect.  

Degrading women.  I remember when Tim called all women who support Trump ugly.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,915]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

Degrading women.  I remember when Tim called all women who support Trump ugly.  

Ha. I bet he’s bedded some real buttes. He gives off that swordsman vibe. Lol. 

[zsasz 361]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again- I am not saying that it won’t create some inflation. I say we can’t know for sure. But whether it creates inflation or not, it’s still a good idea because increased home ownership is generally a good thing for our society; it creates prosperity and stability. 

And furthermore, I have to add that I’m suspicious of the conservative position here because I feel this isn’t about home ownership per se, it’s about the wrong people being able to buy homes. 

Tim...teaching a Master Class for these people.  This RLLD clown should be paying you for the info you're giving him.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

34 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah, fock your apology. I don't accept it. I don't give a shiite what elements there are to many arguments, you painting it with that brush instead of reading my actual post about my concern which is continuing to drain the focking middle class and the poor. I mentioned race NO WHERE and neither did RLLD. And yet that's the judgement you chose. 

So, yeah, fock you. 

That time of the month?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,915]

It’s undeniable that the effeminate males here are for Kamala.  

[zsasz 361]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump at his press conference yesterday:

I look forward to the MAGA idiots playing "Well ackshaully what he meant was....." because they can't just admit the dude is a mush mouthed loser who says idiotic things because what little is left of their brain would break. 

 

BuH IT's DiFfrEnT!!!!1!!!!

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

3 minutes ago, zsasz said:

 

BuH IT's DiFfrEnT!!!!1!!!!

And yet not one of the supposed defenders of the military here have commented on it yet. 

[zsasz 361]

43 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah, fock your apology. I don't accept it. I don't give a shiite what elements there are to many arguments, you painting it with that brush instead of reading my actual post about my concern which is continuing to drain the focking middle class and the poor. I mentioned race NO WHERE and neither did RLLD. And yet that's the judgement you chose. 

So, yeah, fock you. 

So you're telling us Tim has a chance? 

[zsasz 361]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

And yet not one of the supposed defenders of the military here have commented on it yet. 

They waiting to get their marching orders on how to spin this so Trump doesn't look clueless or deranged.  

[purdygood 333]

The city i grew up in had a first time home buyers program. Where they loaned my brother $10K to buy his first condo.  (It was about $200K) But when he sold it years later.  He had to pay the $10K back to the city plus interest based on the sell price.  He sold it for $400K.  I don't think its a great idea on the Federal level at all.  But it really helped my brother start his family. And the city made money too. 

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