Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you don’t. The truth is that nobody has ever cared about the deficit. Republicans pretended to care but only as a means to attack spending they didn’t particularly like. Democrats are more honest: they never pretended (although as I wrote earlier Democrats have generally been more fiscally responsible than Republicans but not because they give a crap about it.) 

They acted like it.  I remember conservatives making a big deal out of it before Trump became President and then all he did was add to it.

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Wow. 
 

First, @Engorgeous George, I very much appreciate the sacrifice your family made. I’m grateful to all those who serve, then and now. 
 

As for @seafoam1 I  read today that per Pew Research nearly 47% of Republicans believe that the upcoming election will have an unfair/false result. So here we go again. It appears, sadly, that your delusions are widespread. 

My predecessors were better men than I.  My family bleed and died in the Great War which was not so great, in WWII in both Europe and the Pacific, and in Korea.  We had none die in Viet Nam or since.  In my generation and the ensuing ones we have had nobody perform military service. 

[purdygood 333]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

So basically Kamala will read a prepared statement blaming one of the Regime’s many failures on someone else and her solution cannot be implemented now. It has to be done after you vote for her.  

So basically (Donald Trump) will read a prepared statement (go crazy off script) blaming (every)one (but him) of the (his) Regime’s many failures on someone else and (his) her solution cannot be implemented now. It has to be done after you vote for (him) her.  

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This depends on whom you believe. There are lots of compelling arguments to be made either way, IMO. 
 

But I think that Kamala’s proposal will be a popular one. 

I wonder if her proposal, if it is ever made, will include rent controls on commercial as well as residential properties.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,693]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

So basically (Donald Trump) will read a prepared statement (go crazy off script) blaming (every)one (but him) of the (his) Regime’s many failures on someone else and (his) her solution cannot be implemented now. It has to be done after you vote for (him) her.  

He’s not Vice President, Boyo.  

[Reality 3,092]

11 minutes ago, purdygood said:

So basically (Donald Trump) will read a prepared statement (go crazy off script) blaming (every)one (but him) of the (his) Regime’s many failures on someone else and (his) her solution cannot be implemented now. It has to be done after you vote for (him) her.  

Both have been given a shot at leading. 

Things were better under Trump, I'll gladly vote for him, given the alternative.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I wonder if her proposal, if it is ever made, will include rent controls on commercial as well as residential properties.  

It wouldn’t surprise me. 
As a general rule I am opposed to rent controls and price controls. But during Covid I personally witnessed commercial landlords taking advantage of small business misery which I regarded not only as awful but also stupid for the long term interests of those landlords as well. So I am not opposed to regulations if they are carefully thought out. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

I started a new thread on the national debt so that the discussion wouldn’t take over this one. 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It wouldn’t surprise me. 
As a general rule I am opposed to rent controls and price controls. But during Covid I personally witnessed commercial landlords taking advantage of small business misery which I regarded not only as awful but also stupid for the long term interests of those landlords as well. So I am not opposed to regulations if they are carefully thought out. 

I believe government incapable of carefully thinking out such regulations.  There are always more variables than they consider and government cannot help but succumbing to social engineering and political pandering in such regulations.  Murphy's law will always make a mockery of planned economies.  That said I have zero economic expertise beyond living for 6 and 1/2 decades and working and paying taxes for 5 decades.

[purdygood 333]

18 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

He’s not Vice President, Boyo.  

Again, I don't know what boyo means.  Maybe it's your pool boy's name.  He WAS actually president at one point though and was a complete (poop) show at the podium. Always is.

[Fireballer 2,639]

This issue alone will be enough to sink Trump. Vance blowing it off won’t help.

 

[purdygood 333]

18 minutes ago, Reality said:

Both have been given a shot at leading. 

Things were better under Trump, I'll gladly vote for him, given the alternative.

All good. You get one vote like I do.  I just could never pull the lever and vote for that (in my opinion) horrible human being (Trump).

[Tree of Knowledge 1,693]

27 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Again, I don't know what boyo means.  Maybe it's your pool boy's name.  He WAS actually president at one point though and was a complete (poop) show at the podium. Always is.

Do you even lift Bro?  SAD!!!!

[purdygood 333]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

Do you even lift Bro?  SAD!!!!

Wait, are you actually Donald Trump? Are you on the toilet right now? Shouldn't you be messaging on your "super successful" Truth Social instead? And then get back to eating your Big Mac.  Don't let those McNuggies get cold.

 

Also, what's your favorite dipping sauce for McNuggets?  Sneakily, straight honey is pretty bomb.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

What has Kamala been doing for the last 3 1/2 years? 

[purdygood 333]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

What has Kamala been doing for the last 3 1/2 years? 

Waiting for Joe to die or "retire".  She got her wish.    The same thing JD Vance is trying to pull off.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Waiting for Joe to die or "retire".  She got her wish.    The same thing JD Vance is trying to pull off.

That’s not an answer. We already have the general and a few others here to say stupid shitt to actual questions. Be different.  Thanks. 

[Reality 3,092]

45 minutes ago, purdygood said:

All good. You get one vote like I do.  I just could never pull the lever and vote for that (in my opinion) horrible human being (Trump).

I'll never meet Trump, I'll never meet Harris. 

I care about policies, not emotions. 

Harris and the left's policies are horrible for America. Hence, easy decision. 

 

[purdygood 333]

Just now, Reality said:

I'll never meet Trump, I'll never meet Harris. 

I care about policies, not emotions. 

Harris and the left's policies are horrible for America. Hence, easy decision. 

 

Again, I think "Trump and the right's policies are horrible for America. Hence, easy decision." So we will have to agree to disagree.  (hand shake emoji)

[thegeneral 2,883]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What has Kamala been doing for the last 3 1/2 years? 

Golfing?

[Fnord 2,051]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I believe government incapable of carefully thinking out such regulations.  There are always more variables than they consider and government cannot help but succombing to social engineering and politcal pandering in such regualtions.  Murphy's law will alway make a mockery of planned economies.  That said I have sero economic expertise beyond living for 6 and 1/2 decades and working and paying taxes for 5 decades.

As to the bolded: I think there are professional civil employees/ competent bureaucrats that likely have some excellent ideas as far as regulations go. I would argue that it's the politicians that fuk it all up since they generally care far more about being elected than providing real solutions. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

As to the bolded: I think there are professional civil employees/ competent bureaucrats that likely have some excellent ideas as far as regulations go. I would argue that it's the politicians that fuk it all up since they generally care far more about being elected than providing real solutions. 

Yes. @Engorgeous George is exaggerating the problem here IMO. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Kamala and Biden right now giving a speech, appear to have achieved a breakthrough on Medicare payments- waiting to get the details. 
Biden sounds coherent and absolutely fine. Though I knew that already. 

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Can start with increasing the oil supply. 

The US is producing more oil than anytime in our history. In fact, more than any country ever. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Sorry not Medicare- prescription drugs. 

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

This issue alone will be enough to sink Trump. Vance blowing it off won’t help.

 

There were good VP candidates there and Trump made the worst pick.

I think this shows that Donald Jr. is a dope and nowhere near as smart as Ivanka. She at least knew in 2016 they needed someone like Pence to soften Trump's edges. 

[squistion 1,944]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Kamala and Biden right now giving a speech, appear to have achieved a breakthrough on Medicare payments- waiting to get the details. 
Biden sounds coherent and absolutely fine. Though I knew that already. 

Anyone has known that outside of those that watch the 15 second selectively edited videos designed to affirm the "Dementia Joe" meme. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Biden stumbling a little but this is still his best speech by far since the State of the Union. Hopefully it bodes good things for Monday. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So?? Opec is also holding back and there is an embargo on Russian oil. Kind of a big deal.  

Mooney can’t see so good.  Blinded by rage.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,693]

1 hour ago, purdygood said:

Wait, are you actually Donald Trump? Are you on the toilet right now? Shouldn't you be messaging on your "super successful" Truth Social instead? And then get back to eating your Big Mac.  Don't let those McNuggies get cold.

 

Also, what's your favorite dipping sauce for McNuggets?  Sneakily, straight honey is pretty bomb.

I dunk mine in creatine.   Great pre-workout before I head to the House of Gains. How about you boyo?

[jerryskids 6,550]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re all over the place and apparently unwilling to face the contradiction in your position. 

Inflation was far better under Trump than it was now. Trump greatly increased the annual deficit and debt, which demonstrates your theory that government spending is directly related to inflation is false. And you still won’t answer the question of why you support Trump’s new proposals to vastly increase the deficit when you are (correctly) concerned with the long term ramifications of doing so. 

 

3 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Where does he rank for most debt added per year?  #1 of all presidents of all time.  Which added to the inflation we saw in 2021-2022.

I've posted the data multiple times on this so I won't again, but... these are examples of lying with statistics.  Trump's spending and debt in his first three years was consistent to prior regimes; slightly more every year.  While I'm not thrilled with this, it was nothing to cause significant inflation.

Trump's last year was Covid of course, and he spent a lot trying to keep the country going while businesses were shut down.  You can argue whether or not this was good, but at least there was a reason.

Biden and Harris, on the other hand, continued to increase spending on top of what should have been a one-off, pandemic of the century event.  

Put another way:  Trump's spending in 2020 contributed to inflation.  Biden/Harris continuing to spend that much and more, every year, contributed a lot more.

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,693]

24 minutes ago, squistion said:

Anyone has known that outside of those that watch the 15 second selectively edited videos designed to affirm the "Dementia Joe" meme. 

No way they give the real Joe Biden an open mic after the coup.  This will be the doppelgänger.  

[MDC 7,115]

22 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There were good VP candidates there and Trump made the worst pick.

I think this shows that Donald Jr. is a dope and nowhere near as smart as Ivanka. She at least knew in 2016 they needed someone like Pence to soften Trump's edges. 

Trump didn’t pick JD Vance as running mate. Peter Thiel did.

[purdygood 333]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

I dunk mine in creatine.   Great pre-workout before I head to the House of Gains. How about you boyo?

Again again again... I don't know what boyo means? But that sounds dry. Like the straight powder?  What flavor? I find Creatine bland and chalky even after adding water.  But do you. If I wanna splurge on some McNuggets like I said, straight honey.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

I've posted the data multiple times on this so I won't again, but... these are examples of lying with statistics.  Trump's spending and debt in his first three years was consistent to prior regimes; slightly more every year.  While I'm not thrilled with this, it was nothing to cause significant inflation.

Trump's last year was Covid of course, and he spent a lot trying to keep the country going while businesses were shut down.  You can argue whether or not this was good, but at least there was a reason.

Biden and Harris, on the other hand, continued to increase spending on top of what should have been a one-off, pandemic of the century event.  

Put another way:  Trump's spending in 2020 contributed to inflation.  Biden/Harris continuing to spend that much and more, every year, contributed a lot more.

 

And I am making two points in contradiction to you: 

1. Both Trump and Biden’s spending during 2020 and 2021 were absolutely necessary or else we would have been financially far worse off. 
2. Although this spending did contribute to inflation it wasn’t really a significant factor since inflation was world-wide. If we had spent nothing, or twice as much, the overall amount of inflation would have been little affected. The roots were global, the solution is global. 

[purdygood 333]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

And I am making two points in contradiction to you: 

1. Both Trump and Biden’s spending during 2020 and 2021 were absolutely necessary or else we would have been financially far worse off. 
2. Although this spending did contribute to inflation it wasn’t really a significant factor since inflation was world-wide. If we had spent nothing, or twice as much, the overall amount of inflation would have been little affected. The roots were global, the solution is global. 

"Trump's over spending was necessary... (especially the years when the economy "was the greatest ever. many people are saying")  but as soon as Joe Biden took office (very unfairly i might add) Covid went away and the over spending was unnecessary and has caused all this inflation. He also forced all his crooked cronies/friends and politicians around the world to raise inflation because they all have dirt on Hunter even though our economy has rebounded better than any other countries... oh wait."

[supermike80 1,796]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

Anyone has known that outside of those that watch the 15 second selectively edited videos designed to affirm the "Dementia Joe" meme. 

Weird how he even had his own party convinced he was unfit.  That's some good video editing!

Even George Clooney was fooled!

[squistion 1,944]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Weird how he even had his own party convinced he was unfit.  That's some good video editing!

Even George Clooney was fooled!

Not that he was unfit, but that he couldn't win after the debate debacle. 

[supermike80 1,796]

Just now, squistion said:

Not that he was unfit, but that he couldn't win after the debate debacle. 

But pray tell why???  Why did that happen?  Bad policies?  A scandal?  Why did the democratic party, and George Clooney all of a sudden turn on him?  

[squistion 1,944]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

But pray tell why???  Why did that happen?  Bad policies?  A scandal?  Why did the democratic party, and George Clooney all of a sudden turn on him?  

It was a bad debate performance and pick a reason (bad cold, jet lag) but whatever the cause, it unfortunately reinforced the "Dementia Joe" false meme that Fox and right wing media had been running with. 

He lost support because the perception was he couldn't win. So for the good of the Democratic Party and the country, he dropped out. Considering how well Kamala is doing the polls (and she hasn't peaked yet) it seems a wise decision on his part.