Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Strike 5,219]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4937489-harris-election-trend-concerns/

[BrahmaBulls 628]

31 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Terrible take. I have some criticisms of her but this is the one thing she nailed. In the face of tough, bad faith questioning, she kept her cool

LOLOLOLOLOL

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

40 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Gonna come down to turnout, but I don’t love where this is at for Harris.

Polls have her leading the popular vote by a bit and in many swing states by a tiny bit.

Problem is these polls have underestimated support for Trump in almost every single instance  since 2016. National polls and basically every single swing state poll.

So if that holds true again, this won’t even be particularly close. Not in the electoral college anyway.

Which is mind boggling to me, but I don’t really understand this country anymore. Maybe the world, actually, since you’ve got right wing fascism on the rise in other democracies as well. But it is what it is I guess 

All of the pollsters tell us that this time around they’re taking into account the hidden Trump vote- it’s already factored in. Yet everybody keeps assuming they aren’t. 
Myself, I think there’s a hidden anti-Trump vote, or Harris vote. We’ll know shortly. 

[TimHauck 2,627]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm not talking about that.  I have no idea who was asking for the hard stop at the end of the interview.  I have not asserted that her team was trying to throw in the towel.  I suspect it was his team, needing time to prepare the interview for airing at the top of the hour.

So what are you talking about?  That she was 15 minutes late?  Really grasping for straws there, that’s poor planning on their part if her being 15 minutes late threw them off.   I’m sure Trump or really any other Presidential candidate is always right on time.  I actually agree with Horseman for once, if I’m Baier/Fox I ask as many questions as I need to as long as she allows it, but seems to me like she was the one that stopped it anyway. 

16 hours ago, Strike said:

Kamalatoe didn't even have the courtesy to show up on time for her interview at Fox.  A 30 minute interview ended up being 20 due to her tardiness. 

27 minutes.  @Strike wrong again.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4937489-harris-election-trend-concerns/

That article has a depressing headline for Kamala but if you read it the news isn’t that bad for her at all. And the final conclusion is…dead heat. 

In other news, latest poll from Pennsylvania this morning: Kamala 46, Trump 45. As tight as it could be yet in almost all of these Pennsylvania polls, Harris is constantly the one ahead. 

[Strike 5,219]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

That article has a depressing headline for Kamala but if you read it the news isn’t that bad for her at all. And the final conclusion is…dead heat. 

In other news, latest poll from Pennsylvania this morning: Kamala 46, Trump 45. As tight as it could be yet in almost all of these Pennsylvania polls, Harris is constantly the one ahead. 

You read the article but didn't really comprehend it.  Not unexpected.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So what are you talking about?  That she was 15 minutes late?  Really grasping for straws there, that’s poor planning on their part if her being 15 minutes late threw them off.   I’m sure Trump or really any other Presidential candidate is always right on time.  I actually agree with Horseman for once, if I’m Baier/Fox I ask as many questions as I need to as long as she allows it, but seems to me like she was the one that stopped it anyway. 

27 minutes.  @Strike wrong again.

 

@Strike gets things wrong all the time. So do I; it happens when you’re trying to read too much information at once. The difference is nobody calls him a liar for doing so. 

[OldMaid 2,129]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-presidential-candidate-is-still-the-stock-markets-bet-to-win-the-election-4e0a1b76

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

You read the article but didn't really comprehend it.  Not unexpected.

Could be. I only read English. I don’t read MAGA code or whatever bullsh!t language you’re reading. 

[Horseman 2,370]

8 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-presidential-candidate-is-still-the-stock-markets-bet-to-win-the-election-4e0a1b76

LOL

Zero chance you read and understood that click bait article.  Zero.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

The Fox Poll released yesterday which has Trump leading by 2 points nationally also has Harris leading by, and I quote, “6 points in the swing states.” 

What does this even mean? What swing states and what is the lead in each? I can’t seem to find any more info. It would be absolutely hilarious if Harris lost the popular vote but won the electoral college. I would honestly pay good money for that outcome. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

LOL

Zero chance you read and understood that click bait article.  Zero.

I read it. It made sense to me. It makes you look like an idiot but that also, frankly makes sense to me and has for a while. 
 

Here is another article from Market Watch that also questions your ability to analyze what’s happening: 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/betting-markets-put-chance-of-trump-win-at-3-month-high-but-analysts-express-some-skepticism-b27556c8?mod=home-page

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

19 hours ago, OldMaid said:

What a very well thought out reply. I really appreciate the time you put into this. 

I’m sorry the thought of Kamala running our country makes you sick. I don’t share your views on this.

Yes, it would have been optional to have a primary, but for various reasons- Joe’s stubbornness not to leave, left them where there were. And let’s not excuse the role that Republicans played in this, as well. If the Democrats are guilty of not being forthcoming with his cognitive decline, don’t you think they share some of the blame? Hard to believe they didn’t rally harder to get him out either, but instead, they relished the idea of running against him in his state. 

Yes, she had a less than stellar 2020 run. In my opinion, she made the mistake of positioning herself too far left and leaning on the then current social issues that ultimately were unpopular. They also came off as phony considering she was an ex prosecutor. I do feel that she is much more aligned now with her values.

Her job as vice president is not to set policy. It’s her job to support Joe Biden. I think most people understand that and that’s why she’s being given a clean slate. I am willing to at least give her the benefit of doubt and see what she can do.

Yes, I do believe that Hillary must be dying on the inside, but kudos to her for putting it all aside and pitching in.

I am aware you obviously don't feel sick at the idea of Kamala as president. I would highly doubt you truly believe she is a great candidate though... or even a good one.  I will resist lumping you in with a large portion of democrats who think she's the greatest thing because thats what they have been told to think (all while ignoring just how unpopular a candidate she was in 2020). Had there been time to have a primary, I really don't think she would have sniffed the nomination. Her own space cadet personality combined with the stigmatism of being tied to Biden would have left her in the dust, imho. 

I'm going to have to push back on blaming republicans for anything to do with Biden taking so long to drop out of the race. What would you expect them to do? Politics is a game, plain and simple. You want the board to align as well as possible for you to win. When your fantasy football opponent forgets to make a lineup change, do you call them and let them know? (Okay I actually do but I am a weirdo). If you think about the people, not the politicians, Republican voters have been calling him senile his entire time in office. Toward the end, everyone knew. Sorry but I'm not going to look at the opposite party for someone to blame. Democrats should have pressured him out much sooner or stuck with him. They beat the drum for how mentally sharp he was until hit the fan.

Personally I feel she is much more aligned with THEIR values now. I definitely still question what her true values are. 

Nah, I am tired of this rhetoric that a VP doesn't do much when things are not so great because people would be very quick to praise her role if things were spectacular. Obviously she wasn't running the show, but you would think her values and ideas aligned with Joe. I know this is not always the case and very often VPs have to grin and nod along with things... but if her 4 years as VP were spent entirely as nothing more than a cheerleader for Joe, then what makes her a good presidential candidate now? 

I applaud Hillary but yes.. I fully believe she is sick on the inside. 

[Horseman 2,370]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I read it. It made sense to me. It makes you look like an idiot but that also, frankly makes sense to me and has for a while. 
 

Here is another article from Market Watch that also questions your ability to analyze what’s happening: 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/betting-markets-put-chance-of-trump-win-at-3-month-high-but-analysts-express-some-skepticism-b27556c8?mod=home-page

A nice opportunity has just presented itself to prove yourself not a liar.  Explain it in your own words.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

I applaud Hillary but yes.. I fully believe she is sick on the inside. 

I strongly doubt this. I watched her last night. She appears to be really enjoying herself, having a great time. She may certainly regret past mistakes but her opinion of Kamala Harris is extremely high. She loves her. 

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I strongly doubt this. I watched her last night. She appears to be really enjoying herself, having a great time. She may certainly regret past mistakes but her opinion of Kamala Harris is extremely high. She loves her. 

[Horseman 2,370]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I am aware you obviously don't feel sick at the idea of Kamala as president. I would highly doubt you truly believe she is a great candidate though... or even a good one.  I will resist lumping you in with a large portion of democrats who think she's the greatest thing because thats what they have been told to think (all while ignoring just how unpopular a candidate she was in 2020). Had there been time to have a primary, I really don't think she would have sniffed the nomination. Her own space cadet personality combined with the stigmatism of being tied to Biden would have left her in the dust, imho. 

I'm going to have to push back on blaming republicans for anything to do with Biden taking so long to drop out of the race. What would you expect them to do? Politics is a game, plain and simple. You want the board to align as well as possible for you to win. When your fantasy football opponent forgets to make a lineup change, do you call them and let them know? (Okay I actually do but I am a weirdo). If you think about the people, not the politicians, Republican voters have been calling him senile his entire time in office. Toward the end, everyone knew. Sorry but I'm not going to look at the opposite party for someone to blame. Democrats should have pressured him out much sooner or stuck with him. They beat the drum for how mentally sharp he was until hit the fan.

Personally I feel she is much more aligned with THEIR values now. I definitely still question what her true values are. 

Nah, I am tired of this rhetoric that a VP doesn't do much when things are not so great because people would be very quick to praise her role if things were spectacular. Obviously she wasn't running the show, but you would think her values and ideas aligned with Joe. I know this is not always the case and very often VPs have to grin and nod along with things... but if her 4 years as VP were spent entirely as nothing more than a cheerleader for Joe, then what makes her a good presidential candidate now? 

I applaud Hillary but yes.. I fully believe she is sick on the inside. 

You have two really great posts in this thread in a row.

I'd add Mike Pence as a comparison for what a VP is not just capable of doing but expected.  Everyone remember the things he did and accomplished during covid?

Kamala has had the border crisis and more recently two hurricane national disasters.  Where has she been?

[avoiding injuries 1,512]

Things are so bad for liberals, Polymarket switched back to Trump vs Biden. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

52 minutes ago, Horseman said:

LOL

Zero chance you read and understood that click bait article.  Zero.

It’s not that hard.

You seem like the guy that’s smarter than most of your idiot friends, so you think you’re a genius. When in fact, you just hang out with morons

[OldMaid 2,129]

35 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I am aware you obviously don't feel sick at the idea of Kamala as president. I would highly doubt you truly believe she is a great candidate though... or even a good one.  I will resist lumping you in with a large portion of democrats who think she's the greatest thing because thats what they have been told to think (all while ignoring just how unpopular a candidate she was in 2020). Had there been time to have a primary, I really don't think she would have sniffed the nomination. Her own space cadet personality combined with the stigmatism of being tied to Biden would have left her in the dust, imho. 

I'm going to have to push back on blaming republicans for anything to do with Biden taking so long to drop out of the race. What would you expect them to do? Politics is a game, plain and simple. You want the board to align as well as possible for you to win. When your fantasy football opponent forgets to make a lineup change, do you call them and let them know? (Okay I actually do but I am a weirdo). If you think about the people, not the politicians, Republican voters have been calling him senile his entire time in office. Toward the end, everyone knew. Sorry but I'm not going to look at the opposite party for someone to blame. Democrats should have pressured him out much sooner or stuck with him. They beat the drum for how mentally sharp he was until hit the fan.

Personally I feel she is much more aligned with THEIR values now. I definitely still question what her true values are. 

Nah, I am tired of this rhetoric that a VP doesn't do much when things are not so great because people would be very quick to praise her role if things were spectacular. Obviously she wasn't running the show, but you would think her values and ideas aligned with Joe. I know this is not always the case and very often VPs have to grin and nod along with things... but if her 4 years as VP were spent entirely as nothing more than a cheerleader for Joe, then what makes her a good presidential candidate now? 

I applaud Hillary but yes.. I fully believe she is sick on the inside. 

I agree that if there had been time for a primary, she most likely wouldn’t have been the choice. But she was on the ticket w/Biden, so she would have been next in line. I don’t love her, but I also don’t hate her. I think she does well when she goes into prosecutor mode, but damn if her voice doesn’t grate on my ears. I also think she’s better than most here are giving her credit for, but that’s not really saying much. She’s done a pretty good job with the short time she has. 

I’m sorry, but we will have to agree not to agree on blame. If Biden really is incompetent at this point, you put duty over an easy layup. So, that makes me think that maybe the situation isn’t as dire as was portrayed. He still has a few months left, why not force him out now? I’d think they could easily invoke the 25th if they needed to.

Well, you can be tired of the rhetoric all you want, but the VP job is mostly ceremonial. She shouldn’t get credit or blame. No one is blaming Pence for Trump’s blunders, nor do they give him any credit, either. And no one expected when he ran for President that it would be a continuation of Trump’s term if he got elected. They are free to chart their own paths at this point.

 

[OldMaid 2,129]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

LOL

Zero chance you read and understood that click bait article.  Zero.

Loz wut? Costco sheets keeping you up all night?

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

EARLY VOTING SHOCK: MSNBC Can’t Find One Arizona Voter Who’ll Admit They Voted for Kamala Harris (VIDEO)
byu/MackSix inTheBidenshitshow

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s not that hard.

You seem like the guy that’s smarter than most of your idiot friends, so you think you’re a genius. When in fact, you just hang out with morons

He seems like an angry Internet troll who is just a miserable sack in his personal life and can't figure out why he never gets a text about plans for the night in between unvelcroing himself from a stained couch in his trailer. 

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

14 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

I agree that if there had been time for a primary, she most likely wouldn’t have been the choice. But she was on the ticket w/Biden, so she would have been next in line. I don’t love her, but I also don’t hate her. I think she does well when she goes into prosecutor mode, but damn if her voice doesn’t grate on my ears. I also think she’s better than most here are giving her credit for, but that’s not really saying much. She’s done a pretty good job with the short time she has. 

I’m sorry, but we will have to agree not to agree on blame. If Biden really is incompetent at this point, you put duty over an easy layup. So, that makes me think that maybe the situation isn’t as dire as was portrayed. He still has a few months left, why not force him out now? I’d think they could easily invoke the 25th if they needed to.

Well, you can be tired of the rhetoric all you want, but the VP job is mostly ceremonial. She shouldn’t get credit or blame. No one is blaming Pence for Trump’s blunders, nor do they give him any credit, either. And no one expected when he ran for President that it would be a continuation of Trump’s term if he got elected. They are free to chart their own paths at this point.

 

If the situation with Biden isn't dire, then why did his own party and media basically force him to drop out? The answer is obvious. Like I said before, politics is a game. Even those who actually believed he was not in severe mental decline had no defense after his debate performance. That performance set off the alarms that he had very little chance against Trump. In order to win the game, he needed to be replaced. If you want to talk about duty, then you need to look at the Democratic party for why his campaign for reelection was allowed to go on as long as it did. Had he dropped out sooner, there could have been time for a primary. 

Well, the difference with your Pence comparison is that Pence is not running for POTUS anymore. If he were the republican nominee, I am 100% sure that he would be receiving criticism for Trumps blunders and/or credit for his successes.  He dropped out nearly a year ago.  

[OldMaid 2,129]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

If the situation with Biden isn't dire, then why did his own party and media basically force him to drop out? The answer is obvious. Like I said before, politics is a game. Even those who actually believed he was not in severe mental decline had no defense after his debate performance. That performance set off the alarms that he had very little chance against Trump. In order to win the game, he needed to be replaced. If you want to talk about duty, then you need to look at the Democratic party for why his campaign for reelection was allowed to go on as long as it did. Had he dropped out sooner, there could have been time for a primary. 

Well, the difference with your Pence comparison is that Pence is not running for POTUS. If he were, I am 100% sure that he would be receiving criticism for Trumps blunders and/or credit for his successes. 

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I blame the Democrats more for letting this go on. But I blame Biden the most. 

Pence did run for POTUS, he just isn’t now. And I’d say the same thing about it as I’m saying now. 

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

4 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I blame the Democrats more for letting this go on. But I blame Biden the most. 

Pence did run for POTUS, he just isn’t now. And I’d say the same thing about it as I’m saying now. 

yes, i edited my post for clarity.  Pence dropped out almost a year ago.  Kamala wasn't even on the radar until recently.  Pence was running for the republican nomination.  Harris had no opposition.   If Pence were in the race now as the republican nominee, I am positive he would be fielding debate questions having to do with his time in the Trump-Pence presidency

you really don't think he would be asked about Jan 6? about how he would be different from Trump or what he would do differently? 

[BrahmaBulls 628]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He seems like an angry Internet troll who is just a miserable sack in his personal life and can't figure out why he never gets a text about plans for the night in between unvelcroing himself from a stained couch in his trailer. 

The little midget teacher is angry again

[Horseman 2,370]

38 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s not that hard.

You seem like the guy that’s smarter than most of your idiot friends, so you think you’re a genius. When in fact, you just hang out with morons

A lot smarter than the lot in this forum.  Need an example?:

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

A nice opportunity has just presented itself to prove yourself not a liar.  Explain it in your own words.

Was really hoping the blowhard would take this opportunity.  Alas, it appears he just lied again.  

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

3 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

The little midget teacher is angry again

Oh no....this nobody doesn't like me!

[Horseman 2,370]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He seems like an angry Internet troll who is just a miserable sack in his personal life and can't figure out why he never gets a text about plans for the night in between unvelcroing himself from a stained couch in his trailer. 

Teacher salary implying someone else is poor and has no life.   

[BrahmaBulls 628]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Oh no....this nobody doesn't like me!

Nobody likes you

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

Nobody likes you

Don't project 

[Horseman 2,370]

25 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Well, you can be tired of the rhetoric all you want, but the VP job is mostly ceremonial. She shouldn’t get credit or blame. No one is blaming Pence for Trump’s blunders, nor do they give him any credit, either.

Of course they do.  In contract to the Border Czar I remember when Pence was appointed in charge of Covid response.  First cases hit WA state.  Reflect on this little reporter exchange to refresh your memory. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812926818/vice-president-pence-visits-washington-state-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

Concern, knowledge and action.   Pence went to WA immediately.  Now go find me anything similar for Kackala.  It took her over a full year and a lot of criticism before she even went to the border.  And she went to El Paso, where border walls already existed, built under Obama.  Not even where the problems were.  

[BrahmaBulls 628]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Don't project 

You get that one from one of the third graders you "teach"?

[TimHauck 2,627]

1 hour ago, avoiding injuries said:

Things are so bad for liberals, Polymarket switched back to Trump vs Biden. 

So you’re saying it’s not a reliable source

[OldMaid 2,129]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

yes, i edited my post for clarity.  Pence dropped out almost a year ago.  Kamala wasn't even on the radar until recently.  Pence was running for the republican nomination.  Harris had no opposition.   If Pence were in the race now as the republican nominee, I am positive he would be fielding debate questions having to do with his time in the Trump-Pence presidency

And I will still say it’s stupid if someone tried to blame him for-let’s just say-Trump’s covid response. Or if he tried to take credit for the vaccine. That’s really not within the scope of their powers. But I get your point, people are stupid and will place blame/credit on whomever was in the office.

John Adams, the first VP famously said the vice presidency is “the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived: and as I can do neither good nor Evil, I must be born away by Others and meet the common Fate.”

[Mark Davis 339]

Nevada and Arizona seem to have normalized to what I’d expect. I didn’t expect a world where Trump could win blue wall states and possibly not GA or NC but that possibility seems to exist. I have no idea what to expect out of NC due to the storm damage. GA is polling well for Trump but early turnout may be bad for him depending on if this is new vote that wouldn’t have otherwise voted or is just a change of type of vote. I think you can probably put NV blue in the map and possibly AZ red. Was listening to a podcast this morning where strategists from both sides suggested the time investment to compete in those two western states given they probably are each candidates strongest/weakest state means the other 5 may see more visits and almost be worth punting more visits. Especially given the relative number of EVs in NV. NV likely comes into play only in scenarios where Trump trades off NC or GA for blue wall states not named PA 

[OldMaid 2,129]

13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Of course they do.  In contract to the Border Czar I remember when Pence was appointed in charge of Covid response.  First cases hit WA state.  Reflect on this little reporter exchange to refresh your memory. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812926818/vice-president-pence-visits-washington-state-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

Concern, knowledge and action.   Pence went to WA immediately.  Now go find me anything similar for Kackala.  It took her over a full year and a lot of criticism before she even went to the border.  And she went to El Paso, where border walls already existed, built under Obama.  Not even where the problems were.  

Oh yes, we all blame Pence for the covid response.

You don’t seem to understand what Kamala was put in charge of. She was tasked with finding the root cause of immigration from Central America and addressing it. And she did actually go down there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kamala-harris-latin-america-trip/2021/06/08/279e360e-c859-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html

Offical White House press release: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/07/29/fact-sheet-strategy-to-address-the-root-causes-of-migration-in-central-america/

[Horseman 2,370]

11 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Oh yes, we all blame Pence for the covid response.

You don’t seem to understand what Kamala was put in charge of. She was tasked with finding the root cause of immigration from Central America and addressing it. And she did actually go down there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kamala-harris-latin-america-trip/2021/06/08/279e360e-c859-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html

Offical White House press release: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/07/29/fact-sheet-strategy-to-address-the-root-causes-of-migration-in-central-america/

Yeah, going to Central America to work on a problem at our border is dumber than going to El Paso.  But hey, she hasn't been to Europe either!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

He seems like an angry Internet troll who is just a miserable sack in his personal life and can't figure out why he never gets a text about plans for the night in between unvelcroing himself from a stained couch in his trailer. 

You seem like a guy with his shitt together.