Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

I will add this: whoever wins the election- Harris or Trump- I hope they do well as President. America is still the biggest and greatest country in the free world and the world is a better place if we are in a good place. Even still now economically coming out of a pandemic we are rolling along while other countries are playing catch up.

Whoever wins- be a leader for 4 years and try to bring the country back together. If Trump wins- give it up with the "woe is me" grievance nonsense. You've been President twice and even if you are dead set that there is a conspiracy against you- they aren't good at carrying it out. Winning twice is the counterpoint to it all. Lead, do what you say you will do to give people more money and be done with it.

If Harris wins- just pardon Trump from his stuff and let it end. At this point it serves literally no purpose to let it carry on. Maybe people feel he doesn't deserve to be pardoned but it would go far better for the country if you just ended it and said we are moving forward like you've campaigned on. But more importantly, lead, do what you say you will do to give people more money and be done with it.

But this has been 8 years of nonsense centered around one person, his grievances, and the reaction to those grievances....move the damn plot forward at this point. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Kamala will win. You backwards men are trying to turn this country into the Handmaid's Tale. Trump won't win this time because white women won't vote for him like they did last time. Some will, the old ones that can't bear children and are only thinking of their money and wishing for a time that will never return. 

You know Kamala has no children, right? 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

Kamala will win. You backwards men are trying to turn this country into the Handmaid's Tale. Trump won't win this time because white women won't vote for him like they did last time. Some will, the old ones that can't bear children and are only thinking of their money and wishing for a time that will never return. 

You are going to eat crow on November 6th

[peenie 1,914]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You know Kamala has no children, right? 

But she's not a man nor a bitter woman who is trying to prevent child-bearing women and doctors from making life decisions about their bodies. Abortion and supreme court justices over-ride my desire to have more money in pocket. I would vote for Trump is it was solely on the economy, but we need to keep our rights. I also don't believe in white-washing history like Trump and his cult followers want to do. 

[peenie 1,914]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You are going to eat crow on November 6th

Unlike you all, I don't feel like the world will end if my nominee doesn't get chosen. If Trump wins, okay, my retirement will go back up. Yay!

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

Just now, peenie said:

Unlike you all, I don't feel like the world will end if my nominee doesn't get chosen. If Trump wins, okay, my retirement will go back up. Yay!

I'm just pointing out that being definitive in saying Trump, or Harris, will definitely win at this point is silly.

As to this specific post- it's why I just sort of shrug at it all. My world won't end or change all that much based on who wins. 

[Horseman 2,438]

18 minutes ago, peenie said:

Kamala will win. You backwards men are trying to turn this country into the Handmaid's Tale. Trump won't win this time because white women won't vote for him like they did last time. Some will, the old ones that can't bear children and are only thinking of their money and wishing for a time that will never return. 

Polling shows the gender gap less than 10%.  It was closer to 20% in 2020.  Trump's winning over more women compared to last time if you're interested in facts.

[purdygood 343]

15 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

How would you describe Biden deliberately not acknowledging one of his grandchildren because he didnt want to associate with the child?  

 

 

Not great.  How would you describe Trump cheating on his pregnant wife with a PStar?

[Engorgeous George 2,283]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You know Kamala has no children, right? 

 

[TimHauck 2,724]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Polling shows the gender gap less than 10%.  It was closer to 20% in 2020.  Trump's winning over more women compared to last time if you're interested in facts.

*women that participate in polling

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

According to the Pew Research Center in 2016 47% of white women voted for Trump, 45% for Clinton

in 2020- 53% voted for Trump and 46% for Biden

untold where 2024 will fall. 

Women overall in 2016 was 15 points in favor of Hillary and 11 points in favor of Biden in 2020.

untold where 2024 will fall. 

[Horseman 2,438]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

*women that participate in polling

You can put whatever polling asterisk on it you want.  But it's all we got until exit polling*

*women that participate in voting.

Phase shifted from 2020 to today and all indications are Trump is doing better with women than last time, not the other way around as suggested by Peenie.

HTH

[listen2me 23 1,849]

14 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Not great.  How would you describe Trump cheating on his pregnant wife with a PStar?

Not great.  

The fact that anyone picks presidents based on if they are good people is hilarious.  Some of you do not realize that behind closed doors most all these high up politicians are less than decent people.  

[RLLD 4,194]

I think there is another indicator that the Democrats are concerned.  They are now going back to that old "he will jail jis opponents" tactic.....y'know, the very thing the Democrats have been trying to to to HIM

I suggest this is a forecasting action, this is a pre-emptive move as they expect him to root out their criminal activities.  So this is them getting ahead of it, and priming the media and public perception to have some protection from the inappropriate stuff they have been doing for years, notably with regard to lawfare against Trump.

[purdygood 343]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Not great.  

The fact that anyone picks presidents based on if they are good people is hilarious.  Some of you do not realize that behind closed doors most all these high up politicians are less than decent people.  

Oh I realize it.   But it's just sad, that if we want "America to be Great" we only have the least of us to choose from.

[thegeneral 3,121]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think there is another indicator that the Democrats are concerned.  They are now going back to that old "he will jail jis opponents" tactic.....y'know, the very thing the Democrats have been trying to to to HIM

I suggest this is a forecasting action, this is a pre-emptive move as they expect him to root out their criminal activities.  So this is them getting ahead of it, and priming the media and public perception to have some protection from the inappropriate stuff they have been doing for years, notably with regard to lawfare against Trump.

Trump ran on locking Hillary up and did ask his JD to go after her. They said there wasn’t anything there.

Many of the things he says is shet is bluster and make believe but I believe him in this one.

[Horseman 2,438]

54 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

At this point I believe that Donald Trump will win the presidency.  I only hope that 4 years from now we still have a country left.  I pray for America.

 Another one scared of Trump.  

[RLLD 4,194]

19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump ran on locking Hillary up and did ask his JD to go after her. They said there wasn’t anything there.

Many of the things he says is shet is bluster and make believe but I believe him in this one.

I remember when he used that lock her up thing, how did that turn out by the way?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I think the Democrats are going to use this time to create some protections so that later as he roots out their criminality they can pretend that this was his plan all along to come after them etc.   

I do not fault the maneuver at all, from a strategic perspective it makes perfect sense.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

Kamala supports tax payer funded sex change operations for prisoners.  And illegals. 

[TimHauck 2,724]

30 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You can put whatever polling asterisk on it you want.  But it's all we got until exit polling*

*women that participate in voting.

Phase shifted from 2020 to today and all indications are Trump is doing better with women than last time, not the other way around as suggested by Peenie.

HTH

Well @peenie only referred to white women, not all women.  And as @Sean Mooney pointed out, Trump won white women in 2020.

[TimHauck 2,724]

47 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Women overall in 2016 was 15 points in favor of Hillary and 11 points in favor of Biden in 2020.

I do see some showing 15 in 2020.  Still not 20 like @Horseman claims

 

[Horseman 2,438]

26 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump ran on locking Hillary up and did ask his JD to go after her. They said there wasn’t anything there.

Many of the things he says is shet is bluster and make believe but I believe him in this one.

You, and possibly others, are missing some nuance here:  They aren't political opponents after the election.  

[RLLD 4,194]

9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You, and possibly others, are missing some nuance here:  They aren't political opponents after the election.  

Well, Democrats might disagree with you.....I surmise they might point to what you stated as misinformation......a threat to the Democracy....and inspire online vendors to silence you.....   when Democrats look around, they only see enemies.....

[seafoam1 2,919]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, Democrats might disagree with you.....I surmise they might point to what you stated as misinformation......a threat to the Democracy....and inspire online vendors to silence you.....   when Democrats look around, they only see enemies.....

Liberals try to make friends with people who are, or soon will be, enemies of this nation. But not for strategic reasons that are related to actual national security. . 

[thegeneral 3,121]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I remember when he used that lock her up thing, how did that turn out by the way?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I think the Democrats are going to use this time to create some protections so that later as he roots out their criminality they can pretend that this was his plan all along to come after them etc.   

I do not fault the maneuver at all, from a strategic perspective it makes perfect sense.  

He asked his JD multiple times. Because she didn’t do anything nothing happened. That is the topic at hand.

Better luck this time if he wins I suppose!

[thegeneral 3,121]

27 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You, and possibly others, are missing some nuance here:  They aren't political opponents after the election.  

Huh?

[Horseman 2,438]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Huh?

Exactly.

[RLLD 4,194]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He asked his JD multiple times. Because she didn’t do anything nothing happened. That is the topic at hand.

Better luck this time if he wins I suppose!

I doubt it.  Most, though not all, politicians could likely be locked up for their misdeeds. But sadly, they wont be.  Clinton is perhaps in the top 5 worst. I would welcome her being in jail.

Of course rhetoric.....that only matters one way for people, typically.  So people will suddenly care where it suits them.

Back to the topic, these actions to pre-victimize themselves is a clear indicator that that both believe Trump will win, and also think he will find their crimes; even though he has repeatedly indicated he would not replicate their behaviors, and return their actions back on to them....I have some doubts.

[purdygood 343]

Just now, RLLD said:

I doubt it.  Most, though not all, politicians could likely be locked up for their misdeeds. But sadly, they wont be.  Clinton is perhaps in the top 5 worst. I would welcome her being in jail.

Of course rhetoric.....that only matters one way for people, typically.  So people will suddenly care where it suits them.

Back to the topic, these actions to pre-victimize themselves is a clear indicator that that both believe Trump will win, and also think he will find their crimes; even though he has repeatedly indicated he would not replicate their behaviors, and return their actions back on to them....I have some doubts.

I'm curious, what is your proposal for getting actually good, honest people to run for office?  It seems only scammers want that burden so they can manipulate to their own benefit.

[thegeneral 3,121]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I doubt it.  Most, though not all, politicians could likely be locked up for their misdeeds. But sadly, they wont be.  Clinton is perhaps in the top 5 worst. I would welcome her being in jail.

Of course rhetoric.....that only matters one way for people, typically.  So people will suddenly care where it suits them.

Back to the topic, these actions to pre-victimize themselves is a clear indicator that that both believe Trump will win, and also think he will find their crimes; even though he has repeatedly indicated he would not replicate their behaviors, and return their actions back on to them....I have some doubts.

I don’t know what to tell you. He did that. Also wanted Comey investigated. During his quest to overturn the election he was running through AG’s to find one who would go along with his fever dreams.

He spends half his pep rallies talking about his grievances. So yeah I believe him here.

[RLLD 4,194]

8 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm curious, what is your proposal for getting actually good, honest people to run for office?  It seems only scammers want that burden so they can manipulate to their own benefit.

When criminality arises, hold it accountable.  It is not a magic bullet, but it is a start.

[purdygood 343]

Just now, RLLD said:

When criminality arises, hold it accountable.  It is not a magic bullet, but it is a start.

Fair enough.  But it is also beholden on the voters to be informed and Vote out criminality.

[RLLD 4,194]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I don’t know what to tell you. He did that. Also wanted Comey investigated. During his quest to overturn the election he was running through AG’s to find one who would go along with his fever dreams.

He spends half his pep rallies talking about his grievances. So yeah I believe him here.

Thanks, but back to the topic, their current strategy appears to be predicated on Trump winning.  Hence the move to predict putting people in jail. Normally I would chalk this up to the standard propaganda they use to manipulate the stupid.....y'know, the "he is hitler" or " he is a dicatator" etc etc....stuff they know is a lie, but they use it as a weapon for vote getting.....

To me, their use of this tactic hear, seems different.

[RLLD 4,194]

Just now, purdygood said:

Fair enough.  But it is also beholden on the voters to be informed and Vote out criminality.

How about this.....the energy and effort that was applied Trump works for me. So, rather than only do it to Trump....start doing the same to others.....seem fair?

[TrailGuy 554]

51 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You, and possibly others, are missing some nuance here:  They aren't political opponents after the election.  

No you're wrong again.  Trying to explain Trump's own words away again.

We got receipts.  He specifically calls out both Adam Shiff and Nancy Pelosi as two of those enemies from within.   They will still be political opponents of his during his term.

 

[thegeneral 3,121]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Thanks, but back to the topic, their current strategy appears to be predicated on Trump winning.  Hence the move to predict putting people in jail. Normally I would chalk this up to the standard propaganda they use to manipulate the stupid.....y'know, the "he is hitler" or " he is a dicatator" etc etc....stuff they know is a lie, but they use it as a weapon for vote getting.....

To me, their use of this tactic hear, seems different.

The people saying he is Hitler were people who worked for him

[purdygood 343]

Just now, RLLD said:

How about this.....the energy and effort that was applied Trump works for me. So, rather than only do it to Trump....start doing the same to others.....seem fair?

Of course.  My original premise was, how do we get "good people" to run on both sides... ?

[RLLD 4,194]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

The people saying he is Hitler were people who worked for him

And prior to them others did as well, but that is not the point.  Of course there is this game of mud throwing, and both sides will do it......but that does not explain this recent effort to play the "he will jail us" game.....I submit that it suggests they know they are likely to not win the presidency....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

How does Harris  not know how many migrants/ illegals have entered the country during her tenure as VP? That’s an automatic disqualification.  

[RLLD 4,194]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Of course.  My original premise was, how do we get "good people" to run on both sides... ?

I think many, but not all, start with good intentions, but then the reality of the game hits them and they conform to the culture of government.   And government on whole is a nasty.....despicable piece of work. So to survive they acclimate.   Other then gutting every agency in totality, I am not sure there is a "fix".  But there is a more normal version of this thing, the Democrats have been perverting it rather recklessly for years now.