Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[thegeneral 2,882]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, Putin wants Trump in over creepy joe the vegetable. 

Yeah it’s pretty clear.

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah it’s pretty clear.

And another liberal lemming chimes in....You all are so easily manipulated. Focking mindless dooshes. 

[thegeneral 2,882]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

And another liberal lemming chimes in....You all are so easily manipulated. Focking mindless dooshes. 

There’s almost for sure some memes on this forum that were created by some commie propagandist

In any case Trump and the MAGA wing of the party want to stop funding Ukraine. You think that might be something Vlad is interested in? Putin wanted Trump last two times, he def wants him this time. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

I remember that time Trump deferred to Putin when he armed the Ukraine, shut down putins pipeline, bombed his Air Force and sanctioned him. Also kicked many of his diplomats out of the country.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Was 2016 the first time Putin/Russia attempted to influence our elections? 

[thegeneral 2,882]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I remember that time Trump deferred to Putin when he armed the Ukraine, shut down putins pipeline, bombed his Air Force and sanctioned him. Also kicked many of his diplomats out of the country.  

What’s relevant now is that Biden along with NATO is assisting Ukraine and blowing up commies. Trump will end that. This isn’t hard.

Why Putin was interested in Trump winning previously is another matter.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I remember that time Trump deferred to Putin when he armed the Ukraine, shut down putins pipeline, bombed his Air Force and sanctioned him. Also kicked many of his diplomats out of the country.  

Armed Ukraine?  You mean congress did and he tried to use the aid to extort harmful info on Hunter Biden?

Also he allowed the pipeline to be built to 90% before congress sanctioned.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/4726844-trumps-nord-stream-2-disaster/mlite/

[seafoam1 2,797]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Armed Ukraine?  You mean congress did and he tried to use the aid to extort harmful info on Hunter Biden?

Also he allowed the pipeline to be built to 90% before congress sanctioned.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/4726844-trumps-nord-stream-2-disaster/mlite/

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I hope you’re wrong.

He’s not.

Don’t fool yourself.

It’s all over but the crying.

[Strike 5,182]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Some good news (if you can call it that): 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna160757

This election is still close for now. The debate didn’t finish Biden off. He’s no longer the favorite but he’s still got a fighting chance. 

Yeah keep fighting!!  Worked well with RBG.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

No information that supports Biden staying in the race is good news for dems.

The debate was the point of no return for Biden.  In an already close election, if the debate influenced even 5% of the voters you have a landslide for Trump.

Biden will go down as the worst, most selfish president in history by not accepting the reality of the situation.

And the worst part of all is that Trump is sooo very beatable by almost any other candidate.  Several governors would crush him, but no, the dems will stand behind the senile turnip because dem leadership consists of idiots. 

Biden is basically holding them hostage, is the issue.

What is the leadership supposed to do?

If they come out and go full bore on this guy *has* to drop out, but then he doesn’t, well now he’s been mortally wounded but is still at the top of the ticket. Plus the leadership will get blamed — at least in some circles — for supposedly torpedoing Biden even though he was going to lose anyway.

It’s all on Biden and I say fock that guy

I think he had a very good first term but it’s over, and his refusal to accept that is going to sink us

[MDC 7,113]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He’s not.

Don’t fool yourself.

It’s all over but the crying.

Trump is such a terrible candidate that it will be close even if Biden dies.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Trump is such a terrible candidate that it will be close even if Biden dies.

I could see it not being that close. But either way, Biden ain’t winning again. Period.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Biden is basically holding them hostage, is the issue.

What is the leadership supposed to do?

If they come out and go full bore on this guy *has* to drop out, but then he doesn’t, well now he’s been mortally wounded but is still at the top of the ticket. Please the leadership will get blamed — at least in some circles — for supposedly torpedoing Biden even though he was going to lose anyway.

It’s all on Biden and I say fock that guy

I think he had a phenomenal first term but it’s over, and his refusal to accept that is going to sink us

It’s not only him. 
One of the real powers in the Democratic Party is the Black leadership- particularly Jim Clyburn who got Biden the nomination in the first place. Clyburn wavered at first but now they’re solidly behind Biden. So long as they are no rebellion will ever succeed. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Was 2016 the first time Putin/Russia attempted to influence our elections? 

It’s the first time it’s worked, thanks to social media and the continued descent of this country into abject stupidity  

[MDC 7,113]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I could see it not being that close. But either way, Biden ain’t winning again. Period.

Not with that attitude he won’t!  

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I could see it not being that close. But either way, Biden ain’t winning again. Period.

I refuse to give up! 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not only him. 
One of the real powers in the Democratic Party is the Black leadership- particularly Jim Clyburn who got Biden the nomination in the first place. Clyburn wavered at first but now they’re solidly behind Biden. So long as they are no rebellion will ever succeed. 

Clyburn was basically pitching Harris.

I think they were informed that Biden would not, under any circumstances, resign, and decided the only course was to circle the wagons.

Now I would’ve doubled down, but that’s typically a very risky play in politics. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Not with that attitude he won’t!  

It’s not my attitude, it’s what the whole focking country saw at the debate. It cannot be unseen. The only way it could’ve been worse is if he’d crapped his pants and the camera caught a diarrhea puddle at his feet

[MDC 7,113]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

It’s not my attitude, it’s what the whole focking country saw at the debate. It cannot be unseen. The only way it could’ve been worse is if he’d crapped his pants and the camera caught a diarrhea puddle at his feet

I’m kidding - Biden was godawful. But I do think he could rebound with a better performance next time, assuming that isn’t just what he is now. And there’s always the non zero chance that Trump does something stupid. He usually does.

[jerryskids 6,548]

I think Biden is doomed because of what I call the "my mom" factor.

Back in 2004, John Kerry was running against George Bush, and Kerry was the prohibitive favorite.

My mom was an old school, pro-union democrat.  Voted that way her entire life.  But in 2004, we happened to chat on election day and she told me she voted for Bush.  Wow, really Mom?  Why?  She explained that we were at war, and Kerry seemed weak, and she just didn't trust him.

Of course, Bush won that election.

I'm not arguing that Kerry was weak, but rather that was my mom's perception.  And, I presume, that of a lot of other people like her.

Similarly, if you have any functioning brain cells, you couldn't watch that recent debate and NOT have at least a little pause regarding Biden being in charge during a serious crisis.  I don't know how many truly undecideds there are at this point, but I've got to think that debate pushed enough of them over to Trump to make a difference.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I think Biden is doomed because of what I call the "my mom" factor.

Back in 2004, John Kerry was running against George Bush, and Kerry was the prohibitive favorite.

My mom was an old school, pro-union democrat.  Voted that way her entire life.  But in 2004, we happened to chat on election day and she told me she voted for Bush.  Wow, really Mom?  Why?  She explained that we were at war, and Kerry seemed weak, and she just didn't trust him.

Of course, Bush won that election.

I'm not arguing that Kerry was weak, but rather that was my mom's perception.  And, I presume, that of a lot of other people like her.

Similarly, if you have any functioning brain cells, you couldn't watch that recent debate and NOT have at least a little pause regarding Biden being in charge during a serious crisis.  I don't know how many truly undecideds there are at this point, but I've got to think that debate pushed enough of them over to Trump to make a difference.

Fortunately we've seen both of these candidates as presidents.

What was the last serious crisis we had?  Covid? We saw how Trump handled it, remember those press conferences?  We also saw how Biden handled it and it's gotten better since.

What other crises?  Russia invading Ukraine?  We saw how Biden has handled it, we know what Trump has said what he would do.

So if you think there are Moms out there that have a perception of Biden as weak, I don't see it, at least not when it comes to policy.  Physical stature sure.

Also, your mom, I don't know how she feels about women's rights, but I know plenty of moms that value their rights that Donald Trump has taken away or wants to take away.

[Strike 5,182]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Fortunately we've seen both of these candidates as presidents.

What was the last serious crisis we had?  Covid? We saw how Trump handled it, remember those press conferences?  We also saw how Biden handled it and it's gotten better since.

What other crises?  Russia invading Ukraine?  We saw how Biden has handled it, we know what Trump has said what he would do.

So if you think there are Moms out there that have a perception of Biden as weak, I don't see it, at least not when it comes to policy.  Physical stature sure.

Also, your mom, I don't know how she feels about women's rights, but I know plenty of moms that value their rights that Donald Trump has taken away or wants to take away.

Biden didn't "handle" Covid.  He took the "vaccine" he was gifted by Trump and handed it out like candy, and didn't even do that right.  Trump handled Covid about as well as could be expected and, in hindsight, I think most rational.people understand that.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

20 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s the first time it’s worked, thanks to social media and the continued descent of this country into abject stupidity  

How do you know this? 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m kidding - Biden was godawful. But I do think he could rebound with a better performance next time, assuming that isn’t just what he is now. And there’s always the non zero chance that Trump does something stupid. He usually does.

Trump doing something stupid wouldn’t even move the needle. What could he possibly do at this point? He’s been impeached twice, convicted of felonies, found liable for sexual assault… the list goes on and on. People just don’t care. Whether they should is irrelevant 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

What’s relevant now is that Biden along with NATO is assisting Ukraine and blowing up commies. Trump will end that. This isn’t hard.

Why Putin was interested in Trump winning previously is another matter.

Oh. I was just judging Trump off of what he did. You’re judging him off of what you made up that he will do. To each his own. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump doing something stupid wouldn’t even move the needle. What could he possibly do at this point? He’s been impeached twice, convicted of felonies, found liable for sexual assault… the list goes on and on. People just don’t care. Whether they should is irrelevant 

[MDC 7,113]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump doing something stupid wouldn’t even move the needle. What could he possibly do at this point? He’s been impeached twice, convicted of felonies, found liable for sexual assault… the list goes on and on. People just don’t care. Whether they should is irrelevant 

The people who would care are the potential Biden voters who might stay home after that debate debacle. Trump can’t convince MAGAs not to vote for him. He could convince more Dems and left leaning independents to go to the polls.

[thegeneral 2,882]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. I was just judging Trump off of what he did. You’re judging him off of what you made up that he will do. To each his own. 

First, Russia was trying to get him elected in 2016. It’s a fact.

What do you think the 24 hour plan to end the war entails?

[jerryskids 6,548]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Fortunately we've seen both of these candidates as presidents.

What was the last serious crisis we had?  Covid? We saw how Trump handled it, remember those press conferences?  We also saw how Biden handled it and it's gotten better since.

What other crises?  Russia invading Ukraine?  We saw how Biden has handled it, we know what Trump has said what he would do.

So if you think there are Moms out there that have a perception of Biden as weak, I don't see it, at least not when it comes to policy.  Physical stature sure.

Also, your mom, I don't know how she feels about women's rights, but I know plenty of moms that value their rights that Donald Trump has taken away or wants to take away.

Again you miss the point and argue policies.  The world is a dangerous place these days, Gutter.  The chances of us getting neck deep into a war, and/or of one of the many terrorists waltzing into the country doing something horrific, are quite high.  You may be comfortable with that guy on the debate stage getting a call at 3AM that NYC was just nuked, but a lot of people aren't.  

But since you mentioned policies:

Strike already pointed out that your Covid take is laughable.  You equate managing a supply chain distribution to dealing with the onset and developing a vaccine in record time.

Regarding abortion, Trump is going pretty centrist on this.  In fact, he got the RNC to ease up its position for the first time in decades:

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Republicans move at Trump’s behest to change how they will oppose abortion

MILWAUKEE (AP) — The Republican National Committee moved Monday to adopt a party platform that reflects former President Donald Trump’s position opposing a federal abortion ban and ceding limits to states, omitting the explicit basis for a national ban for the first time in 40 years.

Trump imposed his priorities on the RNC’s platform committee as he seeks to steer clear during his campaign of strict abortion language, even while taking credit for setting up the 2022 reversal of Roe v. Wade by the Supreme Court. Trump appointed three of the six justices who voted in the majority to overturn the 1973 precedent that established a national right to have an abortion.

The scaled-down platform — just 16 pages and with limited specifics on many key Republican issues — reflects a desire by the Trump campaign to avoid giving Democrats more material for their warnings about the former president’s intentions if he wins back the White House. President Joe Biden’s campaign has repeatedly highlighted the “Project 2025” document produced by Trump allies as well as Trump’s own promises to impose wide-ranging tariffs, replace thousands of government workers with party loyalists and stage the largest deportation operation in U.S. history.

The policy document sticks to the party’s longstanding principle that the Constitution extends rights to fetuses, but removes language maintaining support for an “amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,” a passage in the party platform first included in 1984.

https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, MDC said:

The people who would care are the potential Biden voters who might stay home after that debate debacle. Trump can’t convince MAGAs not to vote for him. He could convince more Dems and left leaning independents to go to the polls.

Well I can’t see him topping what he’s already done. Not until he’s back in office anyway.

I mean he could go on TV tomorrow and pledge fealty to Xi and Putin in exchange for them helping him win the election.

Response: meh, he already did that eight focking years ago. Old news 🥱 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

First, Russia was trying to get him elected in 2016. It’s a fact.

What do you think the 24 hour plan to end the war entails?

Ukraine gives in. 24 hours or 24 years.  That’s how it ends. Or Nukes. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Biden didn't "handle" Covid.  He took the "vaccine" he was gifted by Trump and handed it out like candy, and didn't even do that right.  Trump handled Covid about as well as could be expected and, in hindsight, I think most rational.people understand that.

There was more to recovering from covid than just a vaccine.  I really shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Also we all watched Trump during covid, many people forgot, some haven't.  This was not good.

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

First, Russia was trying to get him elected in 2016. It’s a fact.

What do you think the 24 hour plan to end the war entails?

He’s going to “make a deal” with Putin. He’ll act like only he could’ve struck such a supposedly sweetheart deal when, in reality, it’s been on the table for years, and no one else wants to take it because that means Putin wins.

MAGAts will swoon and suck each other off over what a master 8d chess playing “alpha” he is  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

He’s going to “make a deal” with Putin. He’ll act like only he could’ve struck such a supposedly sweetheart deal when, in reality, it’s been on the table for years, and no one else wants to take it because that means Putin wins.

MAGAts will swoon and suck each other off over what a master 8d chess playing “alpha” he is  

You guys are willing to fight right down to the last Ukrainian.  Won’t be long.  

[thegeneral 2,882]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ukraine gives in. 24 hours or 24 years.  That’s how it ends. Or Nukes. 

As long as they want to keep going have at it I say. Putin can eat a dlck.

Do you think Donald if elected cuts the funding? I do. I would guess this is the reason why Putin is working to get Don elected - again. Why would you think he is doing it?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Also, if anyone thinks that backwards Ukrainians are the ones operating the missile systems we have given them……lol.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Again you miss the point and argue policies.  The world is a dangerous place these days, Gutter.  The chances of us getting neck deep into a war, and/or of one of the many terrorists waltzing into the country doing something horrific, are quite high.  You may be comfortable with that guy on the debate stage getting a call at 3AM that NYC was just nuked, but a lot of people aren't.  

But since you mentioned policies:

Strike already pointed out that your Covid take is laughable.  You equate managing a supply chain distribution to dealing with the onset and developing a vaccine in record time.

Regarding abortion, Trump is going pretty centrist on this.  In fact, he got the RNC to ease up its position for the first time in decades:

https://apnews.com/article/republicans-abortion-party-platform-trump-rnc-5561e857c5501df9864ab8ca666d8bc5

The wording is great, but the damage was done.  Roe is gone, Trump did that, women voters know it.

And we're gonna have to agree to disagree that Trump managed covid well.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

As long as they want to keep going have at it I say. Putin can eat a dlck.

Do you think Donald if elected cuts the funding? I do. I would guess this is the reason why he is working to get Don elected - again. Why would you think he is doing it?

I don’t. I think he explains the realities of the situation to both sides.  Something Biden hasn’t done. Again, this will not end on the battlefield.  But idiots think it will. There is no surrender aboard a Navy ship happening. More like Potsdam 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He’s going to “make a deal” with Putin. He’ll act like only he could’ve struck such a supposedly sweetheart deal when, in reality, it’s been on the table for years, and no one else wants to take it because that means Putin wins.

MAGAts will swoon and suck each other off over what a master 8d chess playing “alpha” he is  

Zelensky doesnt' want a deal, Ukraine doesn't want a deal.  They know that any "deal" involves losing territory while Russia regroups and invades again in a few more years to take the rest.