Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Engorgeous George 2,255]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

She was asked if she supported Biden. She said she supported him making the decision. It was pointed out that he already MADE the decision. She then repeated that he was going to have to make the decision. 
I think my title is accurate. The news media is focusing more on the Clooney letter but it was Pelosi that unleaded the hounds, IMO. 

I've never heard nor read that expression before.  Always in the past it was "Release the hounds".  

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

No idea how this is going to end up. Biden is obviously hoping that a good press conference and another interview with Lester Holt will solve all his problems. But that seems highly optimistic. On the other hand, if Biden continues to proclaim that hell no he’s not leaving the race what are the Democrats going to do? If they continue to doubt him that only guarantees Trump’s victory. So if I were advising Biden and I wanted him to stay in, I would tell him just stick with it and eventually all the Democrats will be with you, they HAVE to. But surely he’s already calculated this. 
 

Such a focking mess. 

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I've never heard nor read that expression before.  Always in the poast it was "Release the hounds".  

Spell check lol

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

No it isn't. If she was asked "Will you support Biden" and she said, no I won't or I can't, then that would be a refusal to endorse. 

I think you’re focusing on a minor point here, but OK. 

[Cdub100 3,879]

54 minutes ago, squistion said:

Tim, your thread title is incorrect. Pelosi did not refuse to endorse Biden, she just said the decision to run again or not is up to him (if I am remembering what she actually said). 

The Democrat primary is so locked down the last person who actually won was Obama in 08. Since then the Democrat elites (same one Biden was talking about) have picked the candidate.

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

3 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

The Democrat primary is so locked down the last person who actually won was Obama in 08. Since then the Democrat elites (same one Biden was talking about) have picked the candidate.

No. And you demonstrate here that you have no knowledge of Democratic politics or politics in general. Go back to denying Auschwitz. 

[thegeneral 3,086]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No idea how this is going to end up. Biden is obviously hoping that a good press conference and another interview with Lester Holt will solve all his problems. But that seems highly optimistic. On the other hand, if Biden continues to proclaim that hell no he’s not leaving the race what are the Democrats going to do? If they continue to doubt him that only guarantees Trump’s victory. So if I were advising Biden and I wanted him to stay in, I would tell him just stick with it and eventually all the Democrats will be with you, they HAVE to. But surely he’s already calculated this. 
 

Such a focking mess. 

It’s too late now. Once prominent Dems started commenting on dumping him the die was cast. 

The only reason he has a shot is because Trump sucks so hard (was the case before Biden crapped the bed).

[Cdub100 3,879]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. And you demonstrate here that you have no knowledge of Democratic politics or politics in general. Go back to denying Auschwitz. 

You believe men can be women and Joe Biden is competent. 

You have no knowledge of anything.

Bernie should have been your nominee in 2016 and 2020 but the "Democrat elites" as stated by Joe biden wanted someone else

Go back to genociding the Palestinians 

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

inflation falls for the first time since 2020 

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You believe men can be women and Joe Biden is competent. 

You have no knowledge of anything.

Bernie should have been your nominee in 2016 and 2020 but the "Democrat elites" as stated by Joe biden wanted someone else

Go back to genociding the Palestinians 

It was black voters that supported Hillary against Bernie in 2016 and Biden against Bernie in 2020. Not elites. Black voters in South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, etc. Bernie couldn’t get any.

But it must grate on you to defend Bernie Sanders. Keep it up; very amusing. 

[Mark Davis 378]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No idea how this is going to end up. Biden is obviously hoping that a good press conference and another interview with Lester Holt will solve all his problems. But that seems highly optimistic. On the other hand, if Biden continues to proclaim that hell no he’s not leaving the race what are the Democrats going to do? If they continue to doubt him that only guarantees Trump’s victory. So if I were advising Biden and I wanted him to stay in, I would tell him just stick with it and eventually all the Democrats will be with you, they HAVE to. But surely he’s already calculated this. 
 

Such a focking mess. 

It's no longer if, but when.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

inflation falls for the first time since 2020 

Huh?

It’s been going down pretty steadily.

Where are you getting your info?

[The Real timschochet 6,568]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

inflation falls for the first time since 2020 

Inflation down, violent crime at its lowest in decades, the economy booming, border encounters way down, carbon emissions finally lower- 

As I wrote yesterday it’s very difficult to find any real flaws in Biden’s presidency. On every measurable issue he has performed better than Trump. Given Trump’s incompetence, buffoonery, bigotry, authoritarianism and corruption, why is this even a race? Baffles me. 

[MDC 7,248]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

violent crime at its lowest in decades

Impossible. GC suburbanites told me US cities are dystopian hellholes.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

inflation falls for the first time since 2020 

idiot.

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Huh?

It’s been going down pretty steadily.

Where are you getting your info?

 

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

idiot.

 

first of all, it has not been "going down pretty steadily", it's actually been rather flat over the past 12 months... 

 

but June was the first time CPI has been negative since May of 2020

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

Oakland DA being recalled. I guess because crime is down? 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

first of all, it has not been "going down pretty steadily", it's actually been rather flat over the past 12 months... 

 

but June was the first time CPI has been negative since May of 2020

I see what you’re saying.

Typically when we talk about inflation “falling,” we mean the rate of inflation has decreased, not that it’s actually gone negative.

Because you don’t want it to go negative. Now -0.1% for one month isn’t gonna kill us but if that trend continued it would be deflation and we’d be in a very bad recession.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

first of all, it has not been "going down pretty steadily", it's actually been rather flat over the past 12 months... 

 

but June was the first time CPI has been negative since May of 2020

Maybe a picture will help https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=rocU

 

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Maybe a picture will help https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=rocU

 

agreed, hopefully it helps you. put that finance minor to work

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I see what you’re saying.

Typically when we talk about inflation “falling,” we mean the rate of inflation has decreased, not that it’s actually gone negative.

Because you don’t want it to go negative. Now -0.1% for one month isn’t gonna kill us but if that trend continued it would be deflation and we’d be in a very bad recession.

CPI going negative does not automatically result in deflation and deflation is not automatically bad or result in a very bad recession.  I would argue right now it can be seen as a good thing. It likely cements rate cuts in September and could even put them on the table sooner. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

CPI going negative does not automatically result in deflation and deflation is not automatically bad or result in a very bad recession.  I would argue right now it can be seen as a good thing. It likely cements rate cuts in September and could even put them on the table sooner. 

I mean, I’d like rates to fall too so I can buy a new care without paying 7% interest.

But fact is, that would mean the economy is not doing well. Because you cut rates to stimulate spending.

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

It's also interesting that my comment had nothing to do with one side or the other, yet the usual strong libs / biden supporters were the ones immediately jumping the comment  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

It's also interesting that my comment had nothing to do with one side or the other, yet the usual strong libs / biden supporters were the ones immediately jumping the comment  

I jumped it because it was a dumb statement. We don’t want negative CPI. We would like it to come down to 3%, yes, but no you do not want negative

I probably shouldn’t have jumped on you, but it does matter. Everyone is watching inflation closely and as well they should. But it seems like some people don’t understand that we don’t actually want prices to come down across the board. That would probably be bad. What we want is for prices to increase at a lower rate, and really it only needs to be a 0.5% reduction in the rate of inflation

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Whoa boy

 

Some longtime aides and advisers to President Biden have become increasingly convinced that he will have to step aside from the campaign, and in recent days they have been trying to come up with ways to persuade him that he should, according to three people briefed on the matter.

A small group of Mr. Biden’s advisers in the administration and the campaign — at least two of whom have told allies that they do not believe he should keep trying to run for a second term — have said they would have to convince the president of several things.

They said they have to make the case to the president, who remains convinced of the strength of his campaign, that he cannot win against former President Donald J. Trump. They have to persuade him to believe that another candidate, like Vice President Kamala Harris, could beat Mr. Trump. And they have to assure Mr. Biden that, should he step aside, the process to choose another candidate would be orderly and not devolve into chaos in the Democratic Party.

Those discussions were recounted by three people familiar with them who, like others in this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation. There is no indication that any of the discussions have reached Mr. Biden himself, one of the informed people said.

The White House denied the account. “Unequivocally, this is not true,” said Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman. “President Biden’s team is strongly behind him.”
 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/us/politics/biden-aides-campaign.html

[RLLD 4,183]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

CPI going negative does not automatically result in deflation and deflation is not automatically bad or result in a very bad recession.  I would argue right now it can be seen as a good thing. It likely cements rate cuts in September and could even put them on the table sooner. 

It is so nice to see someone else being an adult in assessing the situation.  

[seafoam1 2,882]

Everyone here bases inflation on gas prices alone. Rubes. 

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I mean, I’d like rates to fall too so I can buy a new care without paying 7% interest.

But fact is, that would mean the economy is not doing well. Because you cut rates to stimulate spending.

raising rates 11 times since 2022 is not a good thing. It's a bandaid fix for inflation (which has not worked as well as desired). the hope is usually that the white house and congress does their part (something I don't think this administration has done very well)... maybe broker good deals with other countries, etc. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

It's also interesting that my comment had nothing to do with one side or the other, yet the usual strong libs / biden supporters were the ones immediately jumping the comment  

I also find it interesting that you take any corrections to your misinformation as being political in nature.

[zsasz 366]

To be fair, Biden's polling numbers haven't taken a hit head to head against Trump; although Harris' is beating Trump within the MOE.

 

Bidens' "too old to run the country" percentage jumped up after the debate; but so did Trumps.

 

I think Biden wins regardless; but the one thing I don't think he has is a certain percentage of people who wouldn't vote for any other candidate than Biden.  The most ardent Biden donor will still vote for Harris or Michelle Obama...where as both Harris and Obama could energize a base that might not be as interested in voting.  

 

 

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I also find it interesting that you take any corrections to your misinformation as being political in nature.

which misinformation and which corrections... are you suggesting CPI did not go negative for the first time since 2020? 

(yes i was being a little tongue in cheek with the inflation part of it, i thought that was obvious. I apologize that any comment that might look bad on the current admin ruffles your little feathers)

[Bill E. 703]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No idea how this is going to end up. Biden is obviously hoping that a good press conference and another interview with Lester Holt will solve all his problems. But that seems highly optimistic. On the other hand, if Biden continues to proclaim that hell no he’s not leaving the race what are the Democrats going to do? If they continue to doubt him that only guarantees Trump’s victory. So if I were advising Biden and I wanted him to stay in, I would tell him just stick with it and eventually all the Democrats will be with you, they HAVE to. But surely he’s already calculated this. 
 

Such a focking mess. 

Once he is the nominee the Hollywood and other big donor money will probably come back too. 

Not really a mess.  The primary voters have spoken.   This is a great chance for the Dems to prove that they really want to save democracy. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

which misinformation and which corrections... are you suggesting CPI did not go negative for the first time since 2020? 

(yes i was being a little tongue in cheek with the inflation part of it, i thought that was obvious. I apologize that any comment that might look bad on the current admin ruffles your little feathers)

Well at least you admit that the statement "inflation falls for the first time since 2020" is inaccurate.  If you wanna try and save face and say it was tongue in cheek, I didn't get it.  There are way too many stupid people around here to take statements like this as tongue in cheek.

The truth is inflation has fallen much after 2020 and inflation did not go negative as the term inflation usually refers to annual inflation.  I'm sure you can understand why I called you an idiot until you posted the correction.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

8 minutes ago, zsasz said:

To be fair, Biden's polling numbers haven't taken a hit head to head against Trump; although Harris' is beating Trump within the MOE.

 

Bidens' "too old to run the country" percentage jumped up after the debate; but so did Trumps.

 

I think Biden wins regardless; but the one thing I don't think he has is a certain percentage of people who wouldn't vote for any other candidate than Biden.  The most ardent Biden donor will still vote for Harris or Michelle Obama...where as both Harris and Obama could energize a base that might not be as interested in voting.  

 

 

His numbers have taken a hit, it just wasn’t enormous. But in a race that he could only win by a kvnt hair, if he even wins at all (he won’t), that makes a big difference.

He has got to go

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well at least you admit that the statement "inflation falls for the first time since 2020" is inaccurate.  If you wanna try and save face and say it was tongue in cheek, I didn't get it.  There are way too many stupid people around here to take statements like this as tongue in cheek.

The truth is inflation has fallen much after 2020 and inflation did not go negative as the term inflation usually refers to annual inflation.  I'm sure you can understand why I called you an idiot until you posted the correction.

not really.  No one said inflation went negative  

any competent person knows that inflation has been cooling (even if it's not as much as dems want you to believe) based on the bandaid fed rate increases. 

You are also wrong that inflation "has fallen much after 2020".  apparently you forgot that inflation rose significantly from the end of 2020 to around mid 2022 (coinciding with those bandaid rate increases). 

did you really minor in finance? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

not really.  No one said inflation went negative  

any competent person knows that inflation has been cooling (even if it's not as much as dems want you to believe) based on the bandaid fed rate increases. 

You are also wrong that inflation "has fallen much since 2020".  apparently you forgot that inflation rose significantly from the end of 2020 to around mid 2022 (coinciding with those bandaid rate increases). 

did you really minor in finance? 

sorry that was a typo, 2022.

Also you're assuming that I know you're a competent person.  It is repeated often here that inflation has been rising non stop.

I provided you the inflation chart.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

not really.  No one said inflation went negative  

any competent person knows that inflation has been cooling (even if it's not as much as dems want you to believe) based on the bandaid fed rate increases. 

You are also wrong that inflation "has fallen much after 2020".  apparently you forgot that inflation rose significantly from the end of 2020 to around mid 2022 (coinciding with those bandaid rate increases). 

did you really minor in finance? 

Oh boy, we’ve entered the lying portion of the backpedaling.

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

 

I provided you the inflation chart.

good lord, you actually provided a CPI index 

[WhiteWonder 2,712]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh boy, we’ve entered the lying portion of the backpedaling.

how so? I am interested in which part of that you feel is a lie  and what you feel is backpedaling. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

how so? I am interested in which part of that you feel is a lie  and what you feel is backpedaling. 

You’re trying to pretend like you knew “inflation falling” means a decrease in the rate of inflation versus actual deflation.

Truth is, you didn’t know that.

But that’s okay, lots of people don’t.