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3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Brown only went over 800 yards just ONCE in his career. Why can't people let go? He's not a WR1, never was. 

I never thought he was.     

at various points I thought he was a WR2 or a top end WR3

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On 7/15/2024 at 2:09 PM, jtztdm said:

I am not touching a receiver from kc this year. Kelce is the only one I want 

Fair....

But you'll be missing out on some tremendous value on Rashee and to a lesser value, Hollywood.  

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17 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Brown only went over 800 yards just ONCE in his career. Why can't people let go? He's not a WR1, never was. 

That's not exactly fair. Gets a pass rookie year. Lamar Jackson only broke 3,000 passing yards once (barely) in the three years Brown was there and he still amazingly broke 1,000 yds. His first year in Arizona he was on pace to break 1,000 yds til injury. Last year Murray's passer rating sucked first half of season before injury and then passing got even worse when the backup came in.

Brown was a highly-touted 1st rounder for a reason, he just landed in some really bad passing teams. This is the best situation he's ever had. However... I'm still not drafting him. Between Rice playing/not playing and the poor history of Wrs in KC (not named Hill), I'm out.  He probably has a few big games and might be a decent best ball, but I wouldn't want to rely on him as an every week starter.

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Wr 4, I’m in.   

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2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

That's not exactly fair. Gets a pass rookie year. Lamar Jackson only broke 3,000 passing yards once (barely) in the three years Brown was there and he still amazingly broke 1,000 yds. His first year in Arizona he was on pace to break 1,000 yds til injury. Last year Murray's passer rating sucked first half of season before injury and then passing got even worse when the backup came in.

Brown was a highly-touted 1st rounder for a reason, he just landed in some really bad passing teams. This is the best situation he's ever had. However... I'm still not drafting him. Between Rice playing/not playing and the poor history of Wrs in KC (not named Hill), I'm out.  He probably has a few big games and might be a decent best ball, but I wouldn't want to rely on him as an every week starter.

Hollywood Brown's ADP is currently around #78 in standard leagues  and #51 in PPR.   ranking as the #36 WR in standard leagues and the #32 WR in PPR.

this puts him as a low end WR3 or high end WR4.    at that ADP I dont mind Hollywood Brown.

So as WeePaws said, if you can get him as your WR4 you take him all day long.   and if picking your WR3 later than most, hes a decent option but maybe not ideal (depending of course on who is left on the board)

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1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

Hollywood Brown's ADP is currently around #78 in standard leagues  and #51 in PPR.   ranking as the #36 WR in standard leagues and the #32 WR in PPR.

this puts him as a low end WR3 or high end WR4.    at that ADP I dont mind Hollywood Brown.

So as WeePaws said, if you can get him as your WR4 you take him all day long.   and if picking your WR3 later than most, hes a decent option but maybe not ideal (depending of course on who is left on the board)

Considering he could end up a WR2, I like that pick.

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Considering he could end up a WR2, I like that pick.

the upside is there.   and to some degree hes been a victim.  when the starting QB goes down, your numbers as a WR almost never improve.

but there is the recency bias, and he hasnt been super effective recently.

fine by me.  if hes my #4 WR I really only need him to be effective half the time (hopefully when one of my starters is on bye)

but if hes effective all the time I'm totally happy with that.    when your WR4 becomes a WR3 or WR2 that's a win.

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On 6/27/2024 at 10:52 AM, WhiteWonder said:

Even with no suspension or continued issues for Rice, I have this gut feeling Brown will still be the 1A. The Chiefs have recently whiffed on speed receivers so I have little interest in Worthy for redraft.

Heard a scout guru (Nystrom) about Worthy today. His thoughts:

I was surprised when I saw the adp on Xavier Worthy.  He of course broke the combine record for forty and creates separation. Where I think it could be an issue initially is Mahomes trusting him and staying on the field. Worthy has got a real issue with drops and that was catching the ball in the intermediate range, even short. Sometimes he was wide open, the ball would just clank off his hands. He also doesn't have a very good catch radius, so you have to fit it in there, and even then he's not money. Also not as good down-field as you would think for a guy of his speed. Texas didn't use him much with that. Right now Worthy is being projected as a starter in the offense with Brown, Rice as well Sky Moore. But the skill set of Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown are superfluous. That was one guy that Worthy was comped to during the pre-draft process. But Brown right now is way more reliable than Worthy, certainly as a route runner, but also the hands as well. Mahomes is gonna trust him more, and then the other concepts. Going down the field, posting up Rice for a lot of that stuff, and then of course you have the pass catching vacuum with tight end and Travis Kelsey. I don't know what about Worthy's profile justifies him being taken as high as he is. I don't think he starts super fast as a rookie.

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After struggling with drops at Texas, Worthy has continued to drop passes in his first offseason with Kansas City. Even worse, those issues were compounded by a hamstring injury that has limited his practice time heading into training camp. Since being drafted, the young wide receiver has been plagued by various injuries.

Worthy was not on the field as the Chiefs began training camp practice on Monday, according to ESPN reporter Adam Teicher. The absence is reportedly related to an illness, according to the team.

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On 7/22/2024 at 7:24 PM, Gepetto said:

After struggling with drops at Texas, Worthy has continued to drop passes in his first offseason with Kansas City. Even worse, those issues were compounded by a hamstring injury that has limited his practice time heading into training camp. Since being drafted, the young wide receiver has been plagued by various injuries.

Worthy was not on the field as the Chiefs began training camp practice on Monday, according to ESPN reporter Adam Teicher. The absence is reportedly related to an illness, according to the team.

what is it with these college speedsters who keep getting hurt when they make the pros.   its like if you get faster than 4.3 on the 40 you suddenly are getting injured all the time.   pulled hammy,  strained calf.   whatever.

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cue the debbie downer music

 

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How has Brown looked? Any WR1 potential there (for the chiefs, not fantasy WR1)

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37 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

How has Brown looked? Any WR1 potential there (for the chiefs, not fantasy WR1)

:dunno:

 

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Jesus Christ what's your next update? Hollywood Brown taking a poop between sessions? 

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2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Jesus Christ what's your next update? Hollywood Brown taking a poop between sessions? 

I don't know, I felt an expectation with the ask.  He's hasn't really done jack shcitt being out, but at least he can run downfield and catch a ball today :banana:

 

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I'm stunned Kadarius Toney is still on the team. Thought he'd be the first on the chopping block.

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10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm stunned Kadarius Toney is still on the team. Thought he'd be the first on the chopping block.

He's on the block for sure.... the new kick return rules open a new window for a guy like Toney.  Injury just as equally likely to hit him as well.

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I was yesterday days old when I learned the following on Rashee Rice....

His scheduled December court date is for CIVIL court.  Dude hasn't even been charged in criminal court.  I stand by my original statement that Goodell will not issue judgement until the courts have ruled.  

Civil court is completely different, NFC in hell he gets suspended WITHOUT being charged in criminal court.  NONE.  Steal of the year right now at his ADP.  

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Worthy has been really impressive and rice looks as good as ever.   Mahomes looks on point.   This could be the most dynamic chiefs offense to date. 

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12 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Worthy has been really impressive

He better be, I took him 8th overall in a Dynasty draft 

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11 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Worthy has been really impressive and rice looks as good as ever.   Mahomes looks on point.   This could be the most dynamic chiefs offense to date. 

 

MVP season coming for Patty....  4900/38/10 with 3 rushing TDs for a top 2 fantasy finish... 

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On 7/31/2024 at 1:20 PM, kcBlitzkrieg said:

He's on the block for sure.... the new kick return rules open a new window for a guy like Toney.  Injury just as equally likely to hit him as well.

and usually your top starters dont play on special teams as a kick returner.   that tells me hes #3 or lower on the depth chart.   I dont know what kind of contract he has but if hes making good money I'd say for sure hes on the chopping block as a possible cap casualty.   if hes on a reasonable contract there is still the chance they keep him but he has to outplay those on the bubble first.

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They don’t usually talk after practice? 

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"WR Rashee Rice expected to talk after practice"

And?? He's going to act apologetic and tell everyone how sorry he is for what he did. Damage control ahead of a possible suspension. 

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That’s all it’s going to be.  

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9 minutes ago, League Champion said:

"WR Rashee Rice expected to talk after practice"

And?? He's going to act apologetic and tell everyone how sorry he is for what he did. Damage control ahead of a possible suspension. 

I'm not sure we'll see a suspension right away.  He's got a civil trial coming up, but the criminal stuff is a ways out I believe.  It's possible that the suspension may come later, perhaps even next season.

He's had a great camp, and if he isn't suspended he definitely needs to be up on people's draft boards.

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Actually, that's right the December 9 court date is for the civil trial, and the criminal trial court date is not yet set.

 

 

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also, we got dawgs :banana:

 

 

 

 

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On 8/2/2024 at 9:30 AM, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I was yesterday days old when I learned the following on Rashee Rice....

His scheduled December court date is for CIVIL court.  Dude hasn't even been charged in criminal court.  I stand by my original statement that Goodell will not issue judgement until the courts have ruled.  

Civil court is completely different, NFC in hell he gets suspended WITHOUT being charged in criminal court.  NONE.  Steal of the year right now at his ADP.  

Yes he has been criminally charged. With felonies

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes he has been criminally charged. With felonies

"The eight felony charges — six of collision involving bodily injury, one of collision involving serious bodily injury, one of aggravated assault — do not include charges for leaving the scene of an accident involving injury. Those could still be coming."

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-continues-to-monitor-felony-case-against-rashee-rice

Dang, had no idea he was facing so many charges. Figured a 3 or 6 game suspension, but if he's convicted on the whole lot... maybe a full season.?.  Whatever suspension, sounds like it'll happen next year.

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes he has been criminally charged. With felonies

These are alleged, as in, the police officers found probable cause / evidence to "charge" him with a crime.  Please show me where the District Attorney has charged him in a CRIMINAL court.... do some homework homie, they don't exist.  He has a court date set in December for CIVIL court.  CIVIL not CRIMINAL. 

Dude won't be suspended this year, if at all.  This is all that matters in this discussion and related to this forum.   

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2 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

These are alleged, as in, the police officers found probable cause / evidence to "charge" him with a crime.  Please show me where the District Attorney has charged him in a CRIMINAL court.... do some homework homie, they don't exist.  He has a court date set in December for CIVIL court.  CIVIL not CRIMINAL. 

Dude won't be suspended this year, if at all.  This is all that matters in this discussion and related to this forum.   

I think you are overreacting here.  dude has had trouble with the law  so it is a legitimate risk he gets suspended.   what we dont know is when that happens or if it happens at all but it is still a risk.    and you should treat that the same as an injury that could keep him out a few games (or not)

if you wanna ignore that risk as a fantasy owner thats your choice and you are free to do so.   I dont expect everyone here to know the ins and outs of the law in each state.   (I know I dont)   all I know is hes been arrested and that is a risk.   I've also found that on average when a player has an off field issue they are dealing with it quite often will affect on field production.   my theory is that this happens because the guy is not 100% focused on football.    so I dont just avoid because of risk of suspension.  I also avoid for this reason.

case in point Desean Watson.     while he paid dearly to make the legals go away I'm sure this wreaked havoc on his personal life too and no surprise, he signs a huge contract and flops.   I think eventually he may bounce back.   dont know if it happens this year or not but I dont think he just became a bad player overnight.   There is more to this.  the dude is human.

either way, food for your thoughts.    you dont have to agree with me  but thats where i'm at on this issue.

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1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

I think you are overreacting here.  dude has had trouble with the law  so it is a legitimate risk he gets suspended.   what we dont know is when that happens or if it happens at all but it is still a risk.    and you should treat that the same as an injury that could keep him out a few games (or not)

if you wanna ignore that risk as a fantasy owner thats your choice and you are free to do so.   I dont expect everyone here to know the ins and outs of the law in each state.   (I know I dont)   all I know is hes been arrested and that is a risk.   I've also found that on average when a player has an off field issue they are dealing with it quite often will affect on field production.   my theory is that this happens because the guy is not 100% focused on football.    so I dont just avoid because of risk of suspension.  I also avoid for this reason.

case in point Desean Watson.     while he paid dearly to make the legals go away I'm sure this wreaked havoc on his personal life too and no surprise, he signs a huge contract and flops.   I think eventually he may bounce back.   dont know if it happens this year or not but I dont think he just became a bad player overnight.   There is more to this.  the dude is human.

either way, food for your thoughts.    you dont have to agree with me  but thats where i'm at on this issue.

It's more risk than injury risk.   He still has as much chance at anyone else getting injured in games he's playing.   Other players don't carry the risk he had as a result of poor conduct.   In sum, you're taking more of a risk with him. 

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