A Florida law blocking treatment for transgender children is thrown out by a federal judge

[seafoam1 3,031]

56 minutes ago, squistion said:

The objective was never to secure power, Democrats "latched" on this because it was the right thing to do, just like they "latched" on rights for gays and lesbians in the 60's and 70s for similar reasons.

[jerryskids 6,799]

15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

What were the limitations on adults?  I can understand minors, but what happened to “let adults do what they want”?

The OP said:

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He also stopped the state from requiring that transgender adults only receive treatment from a doctor and not from a registered nurse or other qualified medical practitioner. And he barred a ban on online treatment for transgender adults.

IMO Florida went too far restricting adults like this.  They should have stuck with protecting the kids.

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

36 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The OP said:

IMO Florida went too far restricting adults like this.  They should have stuck with protecting the kids.

They're sick. They need to be in mental institutions and it doesn't help when normal people like you play into their fantasy.

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

The objective was never to secure power, Democrats "latched" on this because it was the right thing to do, just like they "latched" on rights for gays and lesbians in the 60's and 70s for similar reasons.

Hindsight 20/20 yall focked up!

[squistion 2,203]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

We can agree to disagree on their motivations.  If Republicans were doing it, it would still be a grab for power though....

Not true. Advocating Civil Rights for any discriminated against or oppressed minority has always been a losing proposition for Democrats going back to The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (the Democrats who bolted to the Republican Party cost them the South from 1968 on). It can't be seen as an attempt to grab power when something is unpopular with a majority of people in this country. And that was proven again to be the case in the 70's and 80's when Democrats got behind LGBT+ rights (giving rise to the so-called Moral Majority).

[RLLD 4,230]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not true. Advocating Civil Rights for any discriminated against or oppressed minority has always been a losing proposition for Democrats going back to The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (the Democrats who bolted to the Republican Party cost them the South from 1968 on). It can't be seen as an attempt to grab power when something is unpopular with a majority of people in this country. And that was proven again to be the case in the 70's and 80's when Democrats got behind LGBT+ rights (giving rise to the so-called Moral Majority).

Non Sequitor.....Democrats are exploiting these people, and will do so for as long as it serves their pursuit of power.

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43 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

They're sick. They need to be in mental institutions and it doesn't help when normal people like you play into their fantasy.

Well... I agree that by definition, trans is a "mental illness" -- if you are in one body but your brain thinks it is in another, that's not working correctly.  That being said, I do not rule out that for more severe (adult) cases of gender dysphoria, medical transitioning may help the person. 

Children are different and have not fully developed.

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22 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, this will survive on appeal.  This is absolutely judicial activism instead of rule of law.

What rule of law did the judge ignore, Justice ESAC?

[torridjoe 48]

22 hours ago, weepaws said:

That’s sad, why do people want to destroy the lives of children today, satan has a strong hold upon this world, and people that call Jesus a liar support things like this, just like their father satan. 

You sound like a looney. Satan is made up. It’s pathetic to pretend this has anything to do with religious fantasy. 

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22 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe that children with the consent of their parents should have the right to gender affirming care. However I’m not convinced it’s a Constitutional right. That seems like a stretch to me so I’m pretty skeptical about this decision. I could be convinced otherwise; frankly I would like to be, but at this point I’m not. 

It’s not necessarily a medical right per se but the treatments and medications can’t be legitimately blocked from a class of people based on religious fervor rather than any evidence. 

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20 hours ago, weepaws said:

Wrong. Children should not be allowed to make those decisions. When they become adults that’s when they can screw themselves up.  

Children need the wisdom of their parents, should stay that way.  

Hey Thanks. 

What if they don’t have any wisdom? Would you force a child to have a baby? 

[torridjoe 48]

18 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Groomers wanna groom

Do you?

[torridjoe 48]

18 hours ago, edjr said:

you are a sick fock

Yeah science is so gross. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

Just now, torridjoe said:

Yeah science is so gross. 

Except it's not science. 

[torridjoe 48]

18 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Excited that kids can legally be mutilated are ya? Your kind would be the first to go.  

But see you made that up. Maybe since you don’t know about it, shut your idiotic pie hole and let people do what they need to be themselves. Your grandma gets a masectomy you call that mutilation too? Fuckin ding dong. 

[torridjoe 48]

7 hours ago, RLLD said:

Meanwhile, the rest of the developed world has already turned away from this nonsensical mutilation of children....but here we are.....doing it anyway

No they haven’t, turdface. Who told you that? LOL

[torridjoe 48]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Except it's not science. 

How would you even know what is and isn’t? You’re not even garden variety stupid on this, you’re extra.

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39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well... I agree that by definition, trans is a "mental illness" -- if you are in one body but your brain thinks it is in another, that's not working correctly.  That being said, I do not rule out that for more severe (adult) cases of gender dysphoria, medical transitioning may help the person. 

Children are different and have not fully developed.

Trans is not a mental illness, You’re confusing it with dysphoria. Children are not different, how are they different in this regard?

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4 hours ago, edjr said:

Please explain to me how this is political? How do the libs want to die on this hill?  

It’s not political. It’s health care. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

6 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

How would you even know what is and isn’t? You’re not even garden variety stupid on this, you’re extra.

And even with that, I'm still 100x smarter than you, dipsh#t. 

Don't confuse your feelings with science.  They aren't the same.  You only acquire virtue tokens with feelings.

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22 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe that children with the consent of their parents should have the right to gender affirming care. However I’m not convinced it’s a Constitutional right. That seems like a stretch to me so I’m pretty skeptical about this decision. I could be convinced otherwise; frankly I would like to be, but at this point I’m not. 

I gave this post a like. Not because I agree with Tim on sex change procedures, but because I agree with him on judicial restraint. I want the voters and legislature in Florida to decide these issues not an appointed judge. Same stands for California. I  know these states can and will reach a totally opposite conclusion and that’s OK because that’s what the people there want. If we want to live in the same country peaceably, we can’t have judges forcing states with different ethical and moral standards to abide by the standards of other parts of the country and claim through bullsh1t they found something on this topic in the Constitution. 
 

Tim recognizes that and I agree.

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And even with that, I'm still 100x smarter than you, dipsh#t. 

Don't confuse your feelings with science.  They aren't the same.  You only acquire virtue tokens with feelings.

They’re not my feelings, they’re yours you barely sentient being. The science is why we have gender affirming care, the feelings from weak fartknockers like you are why that care is being obstructed in places. You just look like a complete infant crying about how the AMA and the AAP just went with their feelings on this one. 

[torridjoe 48]

Just now, Voltaire said:

I gave this post a like. Not because I agree with Tim on sex change procedures, but because I agree with him on judicial restraint. I want the voters and legislature in Florida to decide these issues not an appointed judge. Same stands for California. I  know these states can and will reach a totally opposite conclusion and that’s OK because that’s what the people there want. If we want to live in the same country peaceably, we can’t have judges forcing states with different ethical and moral standards to abide by the standards of other parts of the country and claim through bullsh1t they found something on this topic in the Constitution. 
 

Tim recognizes that and I agree.

So a national vote on Black slavery is OK? If the slavers win, sorry Black folks? 

[jerryskids 6,799]

8 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Trans is not a mental illness, You’re confusing it with dysphoria. Children are not different, how are they different in this regard?

I'm defining "trans" as believing you are the opposite sex of your body.  "Dysphoria" defines the amount of pain it causes.

Perhaps "mental illness" is not the right phrase.  "mental issue"?  Your brain is not functioning properly.

Children have not fully developed.  This has been discussed at length here before you returned.

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

5 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Trans is not a mental illness, You’re confusing it with dysphoria. Children are not different, how are they different in this regard?

Dysphoria is the mental illness. The treatment for dysphoria is the transition drugs/surgeries in some circles. They don't want to revisit the other kinds of treatment like actual gender reaffirming care (let's talk about why you think you're a girl in a boy's body...they go straight for the, oh you're a girl in a boys body? Here's some drugs). 

I think this area of mental health really needs more research before we start passing laws for children and what parents can and can't do and decide on. 

Children are different in that the human brain is not fully developed until the age of 25; this includes several areas of reasoning, etc. You're allowing adolescents to make life long irreversible decisions about their bodies; castration and infertility just being a few. Watch people who wish they'd never transitioned, or knew more about the process (it can be extremely painful for LIFE). Detransitioning isn't an option for so many of them; that's what creates further mental illness and depression. 

I just wish that parents and children looked at the BIG picture of this. 

Torrid, do you know any transexuals in real life? 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

4 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

They’re not my feelings, they’re yours you barely sentient being. The science is why we have gender affirming care, the feelings from weak fartknockers like you are why that care is being obstructed in places. You just look like a complete infant crying about how the AMA and the AAP just went with their feelings on this one. 

Sorry, pal, but that's not why we have that.  The science IS NOT settled.  Not even close and all you look like is a retard grasping for straws because, well, virtues. 

You're as emotional like a teenage girl.  Not a rational bone in your body.

[torridjoe 48]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I'm defining "trans" as believing you are the opposite sex of your body.  "Dysphoria" defines the amount of pain it causes.

Perhaps "mental illness" is not the right phrase.  "mental issue"?  Your brain is not functioning properly.

Children have not fully developed.  This has been discussed at length here before you returned.

They’re not different in knowing who they are, tho. The brain is functioning fine internally; the pain is from the external responses. In other words, it’s only painful because traditional society says if you have a you have to act like a “boy.” Same as being gay: you’re fine, but the fact that others don’t think you should be, is where the pain comes from. 

[torridjoe 48]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Dysphoria is the mental illness. The treatment for dysphoria is the transition drugs/surgeries in some circles. They don't want to revisit the other kinds of treatment like actual gender reaffirming care (let's talk about why you think you're a girl in a boy's body...they go straight for the, oh you're a girl in a boys body? Here's some drugs). 

I think this area of mental health really needs more research before we start passing laws for children and what parents can and can't do and decide on. 

Children are different in that the human brain is not fully developed until the age of 25; this includes several areas of reasoning, etc. You're allowing adolescents to make life long irreversible decisions about their bodies; castration and infertility just being a few. Watch people who wish they'd never transitioned, or knew more about the process (it can be extremely painful for LIFE). Detransitioning isn't an option for so many of them; that's what creates further mental illness and depression. 

I just wish that parents and children looked at the BIG picture of this. 

Torrid, do you know any transexuals in real life? 

 

We’ve had decades of research with overwhelmingly positive results, in some studies as high as 99%. The lack of “detransitioning” options is not causing further mental illness; who told you that? It’s the moronic and infantile hate from people like a lot of the asswipes on this board that causes it. A lack of acceptance. 

They don’t “go straight for the drugs,” no. Again, who told you this? They’re lying to you. 

Yes, but they’re not called transsexuals and transgender isn’t a noun. 

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4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sorry, pal, but that's not why we have that.  The science IS NOT settled.  Not even close and all you look like is a retard grasping for straws because, well, virtues. 

You're as emotional like a teenage girl.  Not a rational bone in your body.

I’m not the pal of hateful low IQ weaklings like yourself. You’re useless. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

2 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

I’m not the pal of hateful low IQ weaklings like yourself. You’re useless. 

Sure, if that's what you need to tell yourself to to be able to make it through the day that's fine by me.

Of course, like everything you post, it's not based in reality or facts. But hey, you fool yourself and that's all that counts, am I right?

You should go back to hiding under a desk for another decade.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

Personally I don’t feel the need to insult those who disagree with me on this issue. I would prefer to try and reason with them, and to appeal to the libertarianism that I find is present in most Americans: whatever you feel about this issue, shouldn’t it be left to families to decide with their doctors? Why should the government get involved? I will grant that perhaps children under the age of 18 shouldn’t get sex change operations. But beyond that restriction, why shouldn’t this be a privacy issue? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

56 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Do you?

no I don't believe in sterilizing or sexualizing minors, sorry thats all you libs

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I support government keeping out of medical decisions unless public health issues are involved. 

Agreed.  Liberals are against govt involvement in healthcare, conservatives are for govt involvement in healthcare.  Strange 180 from years ago.

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1 hour ago, torridjoe said:

They’re not different in knowing who they are, tho. The brain is functioning fine internally; the pain is from the external responses. In other words, it’s only painful because traditional society says if you have a you have to act like a “boy.” Same as being gay: you’re fine, but the fact that others don’t think you should be, is where the pain comes from. 

Wrong

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No one knows exactly what causes gender dysphoria. Some experts believe that hormones in the womb, genes, and cultural and environmental factors may be involved.

It may be a factor, but to say it would all go away in the absence of environmental factors is wrong.

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

56 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

We’ve had decades of research with overwhelmingly positive results, in some studies as high as 99%. The lack of “detransitioning” options is not causing further mental illness; who told you that? It’s the moronic and infantile hate from people like a lot of the asswipes on this board that causes it. A lack of acceptance. 

They don’t “go straight for the drugs,” no. Again, who told you this? They’re lying to you. 

Yes, but they’re not called transsexuals and transgender isn’t a noun. 

 

Detransitioning is horrid for people, have you read about it? The constant pain for individuals who've had a vagina created and daily stretching that is needed or it will close? I mean, going back to having a from that wouldn't cause any kind of depression? I think 99%  is a wee bit high, but okay, I'll believe you. 

I guess I stand corrected in that transsexual is an outdated term and is no longer used; historically it was used to refer to someone who took steps necessary to change their sex (medications, surgeries). Transgender individuals do this, but since they don't base it on physical traits, they over look the "sex" part of it? At least that's what I am reading. 

All of this is fine with me, and truly doesn't bother me, live your life how you want. 

If you know anyone in the trans community, they most certainly DO go for the drugs as treatment as one of the first things. I know a transmale personally. Originally a lesbian, married another woman, and then slowly transitioned to female, and when she brought this up to her doctor, they didn't recommend therapy, they recommended testosterone. 

Please don't tell me that I am not accepting because I am. I am just not accepting of these things being done on children. 

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3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Detransitioning is horrid for people, have you read about it? The constant pain for individuals who've had a vagina created and daily stretching that is needed or it will close? I mean, going back to having a from that wouldn't cause any kind of depression? I think 99%  is a wee bit high, but okay, I'll believe you. 

I guess I stand corrected in that transsexual is an outdated term and is no longer used; historically it was used to refer to someone who took steps necessary to change their sex (medications, surgeries). Transgender individuals do this, but since they don't base it on physical traits, they over look the "sex" part of it? At least that's what I am reading. 

All of this is fine with me, and truly doesn't bother me, live your life how you want. 

If you know anyone in the trans community, they most certainly DO go for the drugs as treatment as one of the first things. I know a transmale personally. Originally a lesbian, married another woman, and then slowly transitioned to female, and when she brought this up to her doctor, they didn't recommend therapy, they recommended testosterone. 

Please don't tell me that I am not accepting because I am. I am just not accepting of these things being done on children. 

I think everyone is pretty much accepting of them as long as they are adults and don't demand everyone else conform to their nonsense (i.e. pronouns). 

Children - never.  no way.   Pretty much an overwhelming majority oppose pushing this nonsense on kids.  Only radicals and lunatics would think otherwise.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

1 hour ago, torridjoe said:

But see you made that up. Maybe since you don’t know about it, shut your idiotic pie hole and let people do what they need to be themselves. Your grandma gets a masectomy you call that mutilation too? Fuckin ding dong. 

The guy must be a Rhodes scholar. Utter brilliance I tell ya. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The guy must be a Rhodes scholar. Utter brilliance I tell ya. 

Said no one, ever. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,997]

2 hours ago, torridjoe said:

Trans is not a mental illness

Of course it is. If you're a Male who thinks he's a female then you're 100% mentally ill. 

Same as if you identify as a Cat or Dog. IT'S NOT NORMAL! 

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3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Of course it is. If you're a Male who thinks he's a female then you're 100% mentally ill. 

Same as if you identify as a Cat or Dog. IT'S NOT NORMAL! 

in other words, it's abnormal.