June 27 Presidential debate

[seafoam1 3,025]

This is focking awesome watching the heads of the fbgs (And we all know what the "G" stands for) explode. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

56 minutes ago, Fnord said:

He, like me and many others, understand the potential ramifications of another Trump term. You and most conservatives do not accept them as a possibility. I sincerely hope we are wrong, and that Trump will just be another 4 long years of awful leadership, prevented from enacting his agenda by systemic guardrails similar to his first term. I don't believe he'll make those mistakes again.

Dozer catches mountains of flack from the born again MAGAMOOKS around here and all he does typically is link something relevant (and objectively true) like court records and articles. Y'all NEVER call out Maxipad Overfill for spamming every focking thread with his pedo propaganda garbage, which is multitudes more ridiculous (and also in many cases objectively untrue).

Dozer just speaks inconvenient truths; sucks that he gets treated so poorly by a bunch of unquestioning, dug in morons that get butt hurt when you call out their guy. 

Personally, I don't think I've had any issues or run-ins with Dozer prior to this thread.  I generally have no problem with his update links throughout various proceedings.  However, I have observed that he does seem a bit... passionate when he talks about Trump.  I can see the sparks flying from his keyboard as he bangs out the words about the OMB.

Regarding Trump, I understand the concerns, I just think they are mostly silly.  The military is not going to follow Trump in a coup.  And SCOTUS, if anything, has shown with the recent bump stock decision that they will rein in the executive branch from overreach.  They did the same with their own branch in Dobbs.  In fact an epigraph for this bench might be "hey Congress, do your $#@! job!"  But I digress.  There are checks and balances all over the place to prevent Trump from becoming a dictator.

One thing that might concern me, were I on the Left, is a sweep of Congress which gives filibuster-proof control.  I have no idea if this is possible, but were it to happen, and with the House at least being more Trump friendly than during his last term, they could possibly pass a lot of things that you might not like.  

I think it's also likely that Trump's advisors will be more... like-minded to him than the last go-around?  Probably not good, but not going to end the republic as we know it.

[thegeneral 3,214]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Personally, I don't think I've had any issues or run-ins with Dozer prior to this thread.  I generally have no problem with his update links throughout various proceedings.  However, I have observed that he does seem a bit... passionate when he talks about Trump.  I can see the sparks flying from his keyboard as he bangs out the words about the OMB.

Regarding Trump, I understand the concerns, I just think they are mostly silly.  The military is not going to follow Trump in a coup.  And SCOTUS, if anything, has shown with the recent bump stock decision that they will rein in the executive branch from overreach.  They did the same with their own branch in Dobbs.  In fact an epigraph for this bench might be "hey Congress, do your $#@! job!"  But I digress.  There are checks and balances all over the place to prevent Trump from becoming a dictator.

One thing that might concern me, were I on the Left, is a sweep of Congress which gives filibuster-proof control.  I have no idea if this is possible, but were it to happen, and with the House at least being more Trump friendly than during his last term, they could possibly pass a lot of things that you might not like.  

I think it's also likely that Trump's advisors will be more... like-minded to him than the last go-around?  Probably not good, but not going to end the republic as we know it.

Neither party is getting to 60 in the Senate.

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[Fnord 2,272]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I think it's also likely that Trump's advisors will be more... like-minded to him than the last go-around?  Probably not good, but not going to end the republic as we know it.

I find this to be a lock stock guarantee more than a likelihood. The whole ridiculous schedule F thing is part of the same ploy.

He doesn't need the military for a coup. All he would have needed last time was for Pence to give in and he would have had the toughest part of a soft coup taken care of. His actions and rhetoric are the closest to authoritarian behavior in a public official I've heard in my lifetime.

I will stress again that we hope we are wrong about Trump, but I've seen nothing but reinforcement of my position in his actions so far.

[seafoam1 3,025]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I find this to be a lock stock guarantee more than a likelihood. The whole ridiculous schedule F thing is part of the same ploy.

He doesn't need the military for a coup. All he would have needed last time was for Pence to give in and he would have had the toughest part of a soft coup taken care of. His actions and rhetoric are the closest to authoritarian behavior in a public official I've heard in my lifetime.

I will stress again that we hope we are wrong about Trump, but I've seen nothing but reinforcement of my position in his actions so far.

You should check yourself into a hospital and let them study your damaged mind. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I find this to be a lock stock guarantee more than a likelihood. The whole ridiculous schedule F thing is part of the same ploy.

He doesn't need the military for a coup. All he would have needed last time was for Pence to give in and he would have had the toughest part of a soft coup taken care of. His actions and rhetoric are the closest to authoritarian behavior in a public official I've heard in my lifetime.

I will stress again that we hope we are wrong about Trump, but I've seen nothing but reinforcement of my position in his actions so far.

So, how would you see things playing out if Pence had given in?  Trump takes over the country in a "soft coup"?   

[squistion 2,201]

52 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, how would you see things playing out if Pence had given in?  Trump takes over the country in a "soft coup"?   

It would have resulted in a Constitutional crisis, there are several ways it could have played out, all of them speculative. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

It would have resulted in a Constitutional crisis, there are several ways it could have played out, all of them speculative. 

So speculate.  And what is a "Constitutional crisis?"  That sounds like a catch phrase from Vox or MSNBC.

Here's how I think it plays out.  It gets to the front of the line for SCOTUS, who says fock that, certify it.  IIRC, SCOTUS chose not to hear the PA challenge, which from a legal perspective was a clear violation of their state constitution.  IMO because they didn't want to have to rule on that from an actual constitutional perspective, which would have caused mayhem.

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, jerryskids said:

So speculate.  And what is a "Constitutional crisis?"  That sounds like a catch phrase from Vox or MSNBC.

Here's how I think it plays out.  It gets to the front of the line for SCOTUS, who says fock that, certify it.  IIRC, SCOTUS chose not to hear the PA challenge, which from a legal perspective was a clear violation of their state constitution.  IMO because they didn't want to have to rule on that from an actual constitutional perspective, which would have caused mayhem.

Pretty simple. The President elect is not certified as is required by The Constitution. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Pretty simple. The President elect is not certified as is required by The Constitution. 

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[jerryskids 6,799]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Pretty simple. The President elect is not certified as is required by The Constitution. 

Well, Trump can't run a third time, so this is all moot.  Hope this assuages your fears of a Constitutional crisis.   

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THE FOOTBALL GHEYS?

[squistion 2,201]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, Trump can't run a third time, so this is all moot.  Hope this assuages your fears of a Constitutional crisis.   

Yeah, but he could have served a second time. That was the point. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yeah, but he could have served a second time. That was the point. 

Fair enough.  My original point was that Trump is not a threat to democracy this time around.  I stand by that.

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12 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yeah, but he could have served a second time. That was the point. 

And if the election had been allowed to happen without all the shenanigans, his second term would be almost over and you'd be free of him forever. Now it's very likely that you're going to get four more years of mean tweets.

 

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, 5-Points said:

And if the election had been allowed to happen without all the shenanigans, his second term would be almost over and you'd be free of him forever. Now it's very likely that you're going to get four more years of mean tweets.

No, he wouldn't leave office and the MAGA folks would support his bid for a 3rd term.

Bottom line, if Trump would have won or if he wins a second term he will never leave office after that (unless it is feet first). He has said that he will be dictator on day 1, so you better believe him. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

No, he wouldn't leave office and the MAGA folks would support his bid for a 3rd term.

Bottom line, if Trump would have won or if he wins a second term he will never leave office after that (unless it is feet first). He has said that he will be dictator on day 1, so you better believe him. 

You're absolutely focking delusional. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

11 minutes ago, squistion said:

No, he wouldn't leave office and the MAGA folks would support his bid for a 3rd term.

Bottom line, if Trump would have won or if he wins a second term he will never leave office after that (unless it is feet first). He has said that he will be dictator on day 1, so you better believe him. 

This is the dumbest post I've seen here in some time, and that's saying something...  

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, jerryskids said:

This is the dumbest post I've seen here in some time, and that's saying something...  

Thanks! 

[BeachGuy23 642]

20 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You're absolutely focking delusional. 

You think the election was stolen from a sitting president and their DOJ.

Something that would take hundreds of people over only only states that Trump lost of course.

MORONS

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2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You think the election was stolen from a sitting president and their DOJ.

Something that would take hundreds of people over only only states that Trump lost of course.

MORONS

You think 2020 "was the most secure election in American history."

RETARD

[shorepatrol 1,870]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

I find this to be a lock stock guarantee more than a likelihood. The whole ridiculous schedule F thing is part of the same ploy.

He doesn't need the military for a coup. All he would have needed last time was for Pence to give in and he would have had the toughest part of a soft coup taken care of. His actions and rhetoric are the closest to authoritarian behavior in a public official I've heard in my lifetime.

I will stress again that we hope we are wrong about Trump, but I've seen nothing but reinforcement of my position in his actions so far.

It's going to be terrible, no wars, secure border, food prices down, gas prices down, law and order abound. I'm terrified too pookie 

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You think 2020 "was the most secure election in American history."

RETARD

You think it was stolen.  
 

Why are you cultist so stupid?  Do you have any clue what a complicated job that would be?  And how many people would be involved?

And of course only in the states Trump would have lost.  Had to know them ahead of time. 
 

You cultist are legit like children.

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7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You think it was stolen.  
 

Why are you cultist so stupid?  Do you have any clue what a complicated job that would be?  And how many people would be involved?

And of course only in the states Trump would have lost.  Had to know them ahead of time. 
 

You cultist are legit like children.

No, you're right. Everything was above board. No shenanigans whatsoever. 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No, you're right. Everything was above board. No shenanigans whatsoever. 

 

No the election was stolen…

But only in states Trump lost.  No shenigans in states Trump won right????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[GutterBoy 2,899]

25 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

It's going to be terrible, no wars, secure border, food prices down, gas prices down, law and order abound. I'm terrified too pookie 

How is trump going to bring down gas and food prices?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No, you're right. Everything was above board. No shenanigans whatsoever. 

 

Shenanigans

You lost, get over it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

56 minutes ago, squistion said:

No, he wouldn't leave office and the MAGA folks would support his bid for a 3rd term.

Bottom line, if Trump would have won or if he wins a second term he will never leave office after that (unless it is feet first). He has said that he will be dictator on day 1, so you better believe him. 

I’m MAGA. I would not support a third term. Stop speaking for others. You do a shitty enough job of speaking for yourself.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

How is trump going to bring down gas and food prices?

End the war in Ukraine, make nice with opec, drill baby drill. 

[patweisers44 846]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

End the war in Ukraine, make nice with opec, drill baby drill. 

Drill domestically as well.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

End the war in Ukraine, make nice with opec, drill baby drill. 

So stop supporting Ukraine, watch Ukraine get destroyed, lift sanctions on Russia, hope opec increases supply, open up new leases that will take years to yield, oh and we're already the largest oil producer and have been since 2018, and then just hope food prices come down.

Yeah you listen to Trump too much.

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21 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

No the election was stolen…

But only in states Trump lost.  No shenigans in states Trump won right????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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18 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Shenanigans

You lost, get over it.

Water under the bridge at this point. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Water under the bridge at this point. 

But you're still crying about shenanigans.

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Just now, GutterBoy said:

But you're still crying about shenanigans.

You mistake me reminding you what your side did for crying about it. It happened and it can't be undone. You guys are cool with your side cheating in one election then trying to imprison their political rival before the next election. 

You're going to get what you get but it prolly won't be what you expected. And IDGAF. I don't have kids so we can burn it down and start over if it comes to that. 

I'm good with it. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You mistake me reminding you what your side did for crying about it. It happened and it can't be undone. You guys are cool with your side cheating in one election then trying to imprison their political rival before the next election. 

You're going to get what you get but it prolly won't be what you expected. And IDGAF. I don't have kids so we can burn it down and start over if it comes to that. 

I'm good with it. 

Except no one cheated, which makes you a cry baby.

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Just now, GutterBoy said:

Except no one cheated, which makes you a cry baby.

Nope, nobody. Most secure election in American history. MSNBC said so, repeatedly, for months. 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

29 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So stop supporting Ukraine, watch Ukraine get destroyed, lift sanctions on Russia, hope opec increases supply, open up new leases that will take years to yield, oh and we're already the largest oil producer and have been since 2018, and then just hope food prices come down.

Yeah you listen to Trump too much.

Why do you keep talking about us being the larger producer? So what? It’s not enough, obviously. Produce more. Idiot