Michigan Water Park shooting

[supermike80 1,913]

The first article I read about it said this...

"The shooter, who was white...."

Seriously?    Reverse that and see how people would LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

38 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

The first article I read about it said this...

"The shooter, who was white...."

Seriously?    Reverse that and see how people would LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Nobody would lose their minds. You’re wrong as usual. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

The first article I read about it said this...

"The shooter, who was white...."

Seriously?    Reverse that and see how people would LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

What site?

[supermike80 1,913]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What site?

I wanna say the Macomb Daily

[seafoam1 3,031]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

The first article I read about it said this...

"The shooter, who was white...."

So you are just parroting a public news article on this site. What is the point of posting this? Next you'll be posting player stats that anyone can just look up themselves if they cared. 

[supermike80 1,913]

51 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

So you are just parroting a public news article on this site. What is the point of posting this? Next you'll be posting player stats that anyone can just look up themselves if they cared. 

What?

[seafoam1 3,031]

4 hours ago, supermike80 said:

The first article I read about it said this...

 

 

19 hours ago, supermike80 said:

 I can pretty much get it from the website.  Reposting on a lightly trafficked message board doesn't exactly make it public. Lol

[supermike80 1,913]

49 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

 

You are a very very weird guy

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, supermike80 said:

I like mdc a lot. Don't tell him. 

You are a very very weird guy.

[MDC 7,431]

9 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You are a very very weird guy.

Rent free.

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, MDC said:

I am going to keep replying to Seafoam all the time.

Rent free. 

[Cdub100 3,909]

Another mentally ill person who should have been in a home. 50/50 they are trans.

[TimHauck 2,877]

5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Another mentally ill person who should have been in a home. 50/50 they are trans.

Diversity is our strength.

oh wait, wrong thread?

[seafoam1 3,031]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Diversity is our strength.

oh wait, no it's not.

Now you're getting it. 

[Cdub100 3,909]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Diversity is our strength.

oh wait, wrong thread?

DEI

It's all wrapped up in one messed-up rainbow bow.

[TimHauck 2,877]

On 6/16/2024 at 12:00 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am saying you know nothing about firearms, and yes, most things you idiots qualify as "mass shootings" occur with a handgun

caliber is what matters, the ability to conceal is also what matters, you can't hide an AR

again, you guys don't ever want to discuss actual statistics, just AR is scarier looking!!!!

Even if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at doing so.  I agree that the ability to conceal is one factor contributing to that.

The definition of “mass shooting” depends who you ask however.  It usually doesn’t require the victims to have died, so again if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at killing more people. 

If we’re talking about “mass murder” there is evidence it is more often committed with AR-style guns.  For example here is a quote from an article @Strike previously provided.  Thanks @Strike!

“In the last three years, 67% of gun massacres with six or more deaths were with assault weapons, Klarevas' 2020 report said.”

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Even if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at doing so.  I agree that the ability to conceal is one factor contributing to that.

The definition of “mass shooting” depends who you ask however.  It usually doesn’t require the victims to have died, so again if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at killing more people. 

If we’re talking about “mass murder” there is evidence it is more often committed with AR-style guns.  For example here is a quote from an article @Strike previously provided.  Thanks @Strike!

“In the last three years, 67% of gun massacres with six or more deaths were with assault weapons, Klarevas' 2020 report said.”

are we moving the goalposts, you guys moved it to 4 a few years back to inflate your numbers

also there is no such thing as an assault weapon, or all guns are assault weapons

 

 

[TimHauck 2,877]

9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

are we moving the goalposts, you guys moved it to 4 a few years back to inflate your numbers

 

Well if handguns are better shouldn’t they still be used more often regardless?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well if handguns are better shouldn’t they still be used more often regardless?

Yes and they are 

[seafoam1 3,031]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yes and they are 

You can't convince a liberal of the truth simply by pointing out the truth. It needs to go through the liberal commission approval process before they allow it to register. And in the end, the truth doesn't ever get through. So good luck with that dude.

[TimHauck 2,877]

37 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yes and they are 

Not in killings of 6 or more

[seafoam1 3,031]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not in killings of 6 or more

So what is a bigger problem in the US, a few shootings of 6 or more, or many many shootings of less than 6? 

 

[SUXBNME 1,503]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Not in killings of 6 or more

You might want to educate yourself on guns in general.  Not trying to be a d1ck. Just saying. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 hour ago, SUXBNME said:

You might want to educate yourself on guns in general.  Not trying to be a d1ck. Just saying. 

So you disagree with the link @Strike provided?

I know @Engorgeous George has previously provided a decent argument for a shotgun being the best gun to shoot into a crowd.  But a handgun? C’mon

[SUXBNME 1,503]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you disagree with the link @Strike provided?

I know @Engorgeous George has previously provided a decent argument for a shotgun being the best gun to shoot into a crowd.  But a handgun? C’mon

Nope. Not disagreeing with the link Strike provided since I haven't read it. 
As far as a shotgun for most kills if one wanted to do that?  Well, of course. 

A handgun is much more effective vs a rifle in close "combat" . 

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 hour ago, SUXBNME said:

You might want to educate yourself on guns in general.  Not trying to be a d1ck. Just saying. 

 

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you disagree with the link @Strike provided?

I know @Engorgeous George has previously provided a decent argument for a shotgun being the best gun to shoot into a crowd.  But a handgun? C’mon

You should take the advice provided timmy. 

[jonnyutah 291]

When you read numbers like 15 shot 1 dead, you can bet it is probably a handgun.

Is there an example of double digits shot and one or fewer fatalities with an AR15? 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Not in killings of 6 or more

So what’s worse. The rare killing of 6 or more or the daily killing of 50 one at a time per day?

[TimHauck 2,877]

6 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

When you read numbers like 15 shot 1 dead, you can bet it is probably a handgun.

Is there an example of double digits shot and one or fewer fatalities with an AR15? 

 

Exactly 

[TimHauck 2,877]

6 hours ago, SUXBNME said:

Nope. Not disagreeing with the link Strike provided since I haven't read it. 
As far as a shotgun for most kills if one wanted to do that?  Well, of course. 

A handgun is much more effective vs a rifle in close "combat" . 

For “close combat,” sure, what about for killing as many people as possible?

[TimHauck 2,877]

4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So what’s worse. The rare killing of 6 or more or the daily killing of 50 one at a time per day?

Oof, you’re repeating peefoam arguments now, you may want to take a break.

That is moving the goalposts.  Yes, most homicides that occur are the result of gang violence and often use illegal guns.  So the solution is going to be much more complicated.

But many school shootings and such use legally obtained guns.  So just adding a bit more stringency to background checks and possibly limiting certain types of guns may be able to reduce those kinds of shootings or at least the number of people killed in them.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

33 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Oof, you’re repeating peefoam arguments now, you may want to take a break.

That is moving the goalposts.  Yes, most homicides that occur are the result of gang violence and often use illegal guns.  So the solution is going to be much more complicated.

But many school shootings and such use legally obtained guns.  So just adding a bit more stringency to background checks and possibly limiting certain types of guns may be able to reduce those kinds of shootings or at least the number of people killed in them.

Here

no. I’m just using liberal statistics. Sorry that bothers you. I would have never counted drive by shootings in mass shooting incidents

they do that so they can push a narrative so once again I’ll go back to my original answer of

NO

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

[TimHauck 2,877]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

Asked and answered.  Also funny that you were whining earlier about the definition of mass shooting being expanded yet according to this link it was actually decreased from 4 to 3.  This link was actually offered by @Strike in the same post where he linked the article the below quote is from.  But it’s going all the way back to 1982 when the prevalence of AR-15’s and similar has been more recent, only counts number of incidents not number of deaths, and doesn’t include the Las Vegas shooting.

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Even if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at doing so.  I agree that the ability to conceal is one factor contributing to that.

The definition of “mass shooting” depends who you ask however.  It usually doesn’t require the victims to have died, so again if handguns are used more often that doesn’t mean they’re more effective at killing more people. 

If we’re talking about “mass murder” there is evidence it is more often committed with AR-style guns.  For example here is a quote from an article @Strike previously provided.  Thanks @Strike!

“In the last three years, 67% of gun massacres with six or more deaths were with assault weapons, Klarevas' 2020 report said.”

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

Would you rather get shot at 30 yards by a Glock 22 or a 556 rifle?

[Maximum Overkill 1,997]

20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Would you rather get shot at 30 yards by a Glock 22 or a 556 rifle?

Does it matter? I'm putting on a kill shot at 30 yards with any caliber weapon. 

And a Glock 22 is a 40 caliber. Do you mean a Glock 44? That's a 22 cal. 

[jonnyutah 291]

7 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So what’s worse. The rare killing of 6 or more or the daily killing of 50 one at a time per day?

Obviously handguns are the bigger overall problem here in America. 

Multiple things can be true. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Would you rather get shot at 30 yards by a Glock 22 or a 556 rifle?

I’d rather not get shot. You got me

[Voltaire 5,316]

As of this moment, Mike Bouchard still hasn't released any details about Michael William Nash other than he's a 42-year old white loner who lived with his mother and suffered with mental health problems and killed himself.

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, Voltaire said:

As of this moment, Mike Bouchard still hasn't released any details about Michael William Nash other than he's a 42-year old white loner who lived with his mother and suffered with mental health problems. 

So it's @MDC?