California is 1st state to ban school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change

[edjr 6,578]

This is pretty simple.

What is the number one reason anyone wouldn't want to check with a parent when it comes to their child and discussing sex

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

58 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

But the woke crowd hates capitalism...so how can you tout that you're both and they are both the future? Every single liberal that I know here in CA (and they are pretty much every where) HATES capitalism with the fire of 1000 suns. They don't think it's the "future" at all and it's not prosperous. They are all about more socialism and those types of policies than anything else. 

No, I’m afraid you’re confused about this. Most woke people are social liberals. Economically they’re out to make a buck like everybody else. There’s no contradiction. Personally I love woke and think socialism is terrible. Lots of folks like me around. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

This is pretty simple.

What is the number one reason anyone wouldn't want to check with a parent when it comes to their child and discussing sex

One big reason might be because the parent is abusive. 

[purdygood 338]

20 hours ago, edjr said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-law-bans-rules-requiring-220419121.html

How anyone could live in that shithole is beyond me

I WISH less people would want to live in this shithole.  "It's so crowded nobody goes there".

[kilroy69 1,218]

This is pretty absurd. You HAVE to send your kids to school or homeschool them. But if you send your kids to school the school can hide shitt from you? That is bullshitt. I thank god every day my son is normal. 

[edjr 6,578]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One big reason might be because the parent is abusive. 

in 2024? no

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

in 2024? no

There are no abusive parents in 2024? 

[kilroy69 1,218]

21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One big reason might be because the parent is abusive. 

This is a BS excuse. If the parent is abusive that is likely who they are regardless of their kids mental illness. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

Just now, kilroy69 said:

This is a BS excuse. If the parent is abusive that is likely who they are regardless of their kids mental illness. 

Really? 

[kilroy69 1,218]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Really? 

Yes. Really. You think that a parent is going to up and start being abusive because their kid is trans? That is not how the world works. Abusive people do not just randomly start being abusive. They have a pattern and have always shown signs of being abusive. Likely abused themselves.  To think anything else is just dumb and not what patterns of abuse show. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

6 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Yes. Really. You think that a parent is going to up and start being abusive because their kid is trans? That is not how the world works. Abusive people do not just randomly start being abusive. They have a pattern and have always shown signs of being abusive. Likely abused themselves.  To think anything else is just dumb and not what patterns of abuse show. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344346/

[Baker Boy 1,691]

This would never happen if American citizens had "School Choice".

[Nomad99 711]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

All because of his BELIEFS.

Fixed that for you

[kilroy69 1,218]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

This would never happen if American citizens had "School Choice".

Michigan has school of choice since 1994. It is awesome. My kid goes to the school in the next town over that is significantly better than the one I can see from my home. 

[squistion 1,976]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

This would never happen if American citizens had "School Choice".

They do if they send their child or to a private school or do their own home schooling. 

[Baker Boy 1,691]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

They do if they send their child or to a private school or do their own home schooling. 

It’s apparent that you do not understand "school choice"as it concerns the government.

[TheNewGirl 1,385]

50 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, I’m afraid you’re confused about this. Most woke people are social liberals. Economically they’re out to make a buck like everybody else. There’s no contradiction. Personally I love woke and think socialism is terrible. Lots of folks like me around. 

I am not confused at all. 

All of my liberal friends talk loudly and clearly about how much they hate capitalism. Maybe they are confused, but I am not. 

[TheNewGirl 1,385]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One big reason might be because the parent is abusive. 

Yeah, parents don't suddenly become abusive because their children come out as LGBTQ+. 

Parents are usually abusive or have those tendencies from jump. 

[squistion 1,976]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

It’s apparent that you do not understand "school choice"as it concerns the government.

I understand it as it applies to most folks. 

[purdygood 338]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

It’s apparent that you do not understand "school choice"as it concerns the government.

Why don't I have non school choice (as someone who doesn't have kids) but is paying property taxes to fund them anyways? I don't want my money to going to anyone's kids (but I especially don't want my money going to private/religious schools) but I can't opt out either way... we all just have to pay for things we don't want and if we want something special we have to pony up for ourselves.

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Isn't that what they always accuse the left, liberals and Democrats of wanting to do?

So, just to be clear, you don't think it's authoritarian for the state to pass a bill that will keep information of a minor away from their parents?

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

1) Every maga accusation is a projection

2) It used to be that conservatives wanted the govt out of our lives.  I've been a big believer in this my whole life.  But with Maga, they want govt to do their bidding for them, and ironically shout about freedom.

We should start calling the Democrat party the Irony party.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

Don’t send bad report cards home. The kid may get abused. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344346/

This doesn't prove @kilroy69 wrong.  In fact, it proves him right.  These kids are already being abused before any essence of transition is happening.  Yes, I could buy the stance that the transitioning is happening because, as this study finds that girls are the most frequent target, that they're transitioning on purpose to be a boy, in hopes they stop getting abused.  This still would back up @kilroy69's stance because in that scenario, the transitioning is a result of the abuse, not the cause.

[squistion 1,976]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So, just to be clear, you don't think it's authoritarian for the state to pass a bill that will keep information of a minor away from their parents?

No, what I think is authoritarian would be requiring schools/teachers to give this information to parents (which may cause harm to the child). If the minor wishes to let their parents know their choice of pronouns, they can still do so on their own.

[DonS 3,292]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Musk isn’t a baby. He can do what he wants. But I don’t think it’s a smart move. California is the heart of the pacific rim, and trade with Asia, which will dominate ALL trade in the 21st century. 
 

The argument concerning  location on Pacific Rim is an excellent argument for maybe 50+ years ago.  With the advancements in air travel/shipping vs old timey steamer boats not so much.  For face to face meetings what's another hour or two for important business meetings?

There's also this new fangled gizmo called the interwebs which folks can use for real time video conferences from the other side of the globe!   Absolutely crazy but it's true!!!!  One could even use this invention for near real-time c0ck fighting on low trafficked message boards no matter where you are physically located!!!  It's also great for business correspondence as mailing stuff internationally in the old days was so slow. 

Now California has a ton of ports for imports/exports which are shipped via the Pacific.  This is 1000% true.  I would think that odds are pretty good that these business men which move their HQs out of CA might just have a plan on how to deal with logistics.  BTW, it's not like big corporations which have left your state have their shiny HQs right on the docks to facilitate this crucial proximity to Asia. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

16 minutes ago, squistion said:

No, what I think is authoritarian would be requiring schools/teachers to give this information to parents (which may cause harm to the child). If the minor wishes to let their parents know their choice of pronouns, they can still do so on their own.

Dude, you think very backwards.  LOL

[GutterBoy 2,898]

24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This doesn't prove @kilroy69 wrong.  In fact, it proves him right.  These kids are already being abused before any essence of transition is happening.  Yes, I could buy the stance that the transitioning is happening because, as this study finds that girls are the most frequent target, that they're transitioning on purpose to be a boy, in hopes they stop getting abused.  This still would back up @kilroy69's stance because in that scenario, the transitioning is a result of the abuse, not the cause.

Who the fock cares if the kid is being abused prior to any of this.  If the kid comes to the teacher and shares her struggles and says "please don't tell my parents or they will go balastic and kick me out of the house" then the teacher shouldn't have a legal obligation to do so.  And now in CA they don't, thanks to this law.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Who the fock cares if the kid is being abused prior to any of this.  If the kid comes to the teacher and shares her struggles and says "please don't tell my parents or they will go balastic and kick me out of the house" then the teacher shouldn't have a legal obligation to do so.  And now in CA they don't, thanks to this law.

You can’t kick squatters out of your house but tiny brain thinks you can kick your kid out. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah, parents don't suddenly become abusive because their children come out as LGBTQ+. 

Parents are usually abusive or have those tendencies from jump. 

You’re the second person to write this and it’s just ignorant. The facts completely contradict you. I already provided stats from the National Health Institute. Here are more: 

https://galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Galop-LGBT-Experiences-of-Abuse-from-Family-Members.pdf

The fact is that social conservatives have so stigmatized the LGBT and trans that it creates abuse in these situations that wouldn’t exist without the sort of intolerance and bigotry prevalent in this forum. 

[squistion 1,976]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Who the fock cares if the kid is being abused prior to any of this.  If the kid comes to the teacher and shares her struggles and says "please don't tell my parents or they will go ballistic and kick me out of the house" then the teacher shouldn't have a legal obligation to do so.  And now in CA they don't, thanks to this law.

Exactly. Yet despite some really horrible potential consequences, some still want the state to force the teacher to do this.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Who the fock cares if the kid is being abused prior to any of this.  If the kid comes to the teacher and shares her struggles and says "please don't tell my parents or they will go balastic and kick me out of the house" then the teacher shouldn't have a legal obligation to do so.  And now in CA they don't, thanks to this law.

@The Real timschochet does.  He's the one who brought it up (link).

To be clear though, you're saying that a kid can go to a teacher and say my parents will harm me if they find out, the teacher will just say "ok" and everything will be good?  I'd like to think that if a kid thinks the child would be harmed... REGARDLESS of the reason, the teacher should absolutely say something and get a "Wellness Check" on that kid.  If a child thinks they are in danger from their parent(s), then there's a LOT more issues at home than pronouns and transitioning where keeping quiet is NOT the right thing to do.

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

I am not confused at all. 

All of my liberal friends talk loudly and clearly about how much they hate capitalism. Maybe they are confused, but I am not. 

And this is bullsh!t as well. Any friend of yours that hates capitalism is no liberal. One cannot be a liberal and be anti-capitalism. 
 

Apart from extreme leftists the biggest haters of capitalism these days are MAGA conservatives with their anti-trade, anti-immigrant positions. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

@The Real timschochet does.  He's the one who brought it up (link).

To be clear though, you're saying that a kid can go to a teacher and say my parents will harm me if they find out, the teacher will just say "ok" and everything will be good?  I'd like to think that if a kid thinks the child would be harmed... REGARDLESS of the reason, the teacher should absolutely say something and get a "Wellness Check" on that kid.  If a child thinks they are in danger from their parent(s), then there's a LOT more issues at home than pronouns and transitioning where keeping quiet is NOT the right thing to do.

You’re right about me. Wrong about the rest of it. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

@The Real timschochet does.  He's the one who brought it up (link).

To be clear though, you're saying that a kid can go to a teacher and say my parents will harm me if they find out, the teacher will just say "ok" and everything will be good?  I'd like to think that if a kid thinks the child would be harmed... REGARDLESS of the reason, the teacher should absolutely say something and get a "Wellness Check" on that kid.  If a child thinks they are in danger from their parent(s), then there's a LOT more issues at home than pronouns and transitioning where keeping quiet is NOT the right thing to do.

That's a different story.  If a teacher suspects abuse, then they should contact the appropriate authorities.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

@The Real timschochet does.  He's the one who brought it up (link).

To be clear though, you're saying that a kid can go to a teacher and say my parents will harm me if they find out, the teacher will just say "ok" and everything will be good?  I'd like to think that if a kid thinks the child would be harmed... REGARDLESS of the reason, the teacher should absolutely say something and get a "Wellness Check" on that kid.  If a child thinks they are in danger from their parent(s), then there's a LOT more issues at home than pronouns and transitioning where keeping quiet is NOT the right thing to do.

Logic. Does not compute to frenzied middle aged men when it comes to tranny stuff. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re the second person to write this and it’s just ignorant. The facts completely contradict you. I already provided stats from the National Health Institute. Here are more: 

https://galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Galop-LGBT-Experiences-of-Abuse-from-Family-Members.pdf

The fact is that social conservatives have so stigmatized the LGBT and trans that it creates abuse in these situations that wouldn’t exist without the sort of intolerance and bigotry prevalent in this forum. 

Says the person who's prior link proved the other person right. 

[The Real timschochet 6,525]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Says the person who's prior link proved the other person right. 

No it didn’t. Why are you making sh!t up? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

That's a different story.  If a teacher suspects abuse, then they should contact the appropriate authorities.

It's not at all a different story... it's the same thing.  When a kid says "please don't tell my parents or they will go balastic and kick me out of the house ", that's not a form of abuse?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

If my son comes to me and says he’s gay I say cool. If he comes to me and says he’s trans I pull him from that school and get him serious psychological help. 
 

I have yet to meet a single trans who doesn’t have major psychological issues