squistion 2,202 Posted August 14, 2024 17 minutes ago, edjr said: he had long covid Masks and Covid and masks and the flu are two different issues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted August 14, 2024 54 minutes ago, squistion said: You're the one disputing what has been accepted medical fact since the flu epidemic of 1918 but you expect me to come up proof of studies (when none apparently have been done because no one thought they were needed). Thereâs no such âaccepted medical fact.â  None.  You made that up.  There were numerous studies during and after Covid that pointed to masks being ineffective.  Hereâs one.  Took me all of 5 seconds to find it.  The stidy found âlittle to noâ evidence that masking at the population level reduced COVID infections, concluding that there is âuncertainty about the effects of face masks.â That result held when the researchers compared surgical masks with N95 masks, and when they compared surgical masks with nothing. There are more.  But Iâm sure at this point youâll find fault with the source, or some other nonsense you pull on a regular basis.  How about you do some work for a change and produce a study that shows masks worked.  Shouldnât be hard to find if itâs accepted medical fact.  The burden of proof should be on you and the other authoritarian bastarrds out there wanting to restrict freedoms and shut down commerce. Follow the science.  Isnât that what you assshats say?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,911 Posted August 15, 2024 5 hours ago, squistion said: Pointless to do a study when just about everyone can predict the outcome (or should be able to). Why take the time and money to prove what you already know, intuitively, which is that a mask prevents or reduces transmission of an airborne virus. Copernicus would have disagreed with this kind of logic.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: Copernicus would have disagreed with this kind of logic. link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,911 Posted August 15, 2024 33 minutes ago, squistion said: link Link to what? Do you not know who he was? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, supermike80 said: Link to what? Do you not know who he was? Yeah, he played for the 49ers and took them to the Super Bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,911 Posted August 15, 2024 4 minutes ago, squistion said: Yeah, he played for the 49ers and took them to the Super Bowl. Wow. Ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, supermike80 said: Wow. Ok Yeah, impressive, ain't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, MLCKAA said: Can size? #2 Can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted August 15, 2024 Did you piss on her? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,592 Posted August 15, 2024 19 minutes ago, kutulu said: Did you piss on her? Â one of that girlâs legs was 100 pounds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted August 15, 2024 3 hours ago, squistion said: You're the one disputing what has been accepted medical fact since the flu epidemic of 1918 but you expect me to come up proof of studies (when none apparently have been done because no one thought they were needed). No, I am saying there is no proof that masks slow the spread of influenza. They did studies during the Spanish flu and they could not prove or disprove the influence of masks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, Baker Boy said: No, I am saying there is no proof that masks slow the spread of influenza. They did studies during the Spanish flu and they could not prove or disprove the influence of masks. In 1918? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, squistion said: In 1918? In that timeframe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, Baker Boy said: In that timeframe. And you consider that being the definitive study which was done 106 years ago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted August 15, 2024 4 hours ago, squistion said: And you consider that being the definitive study which was done 106 years ago? Find one study since that proves them wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,937 Posted August 15, 2024 8 hours ago, squistion said: link 1000_F_507155446_W5UHQeRtYL6cMAFM131GbziII1e2iIvk.jpg (668Ă1000) (ftcdn.net) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 15, 2024 7 hours ago, Baker Boy said: Find one study since that proves them wrong. How about even finding one study not over 100 years old that was accepted by pier review. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,592 Posted August 15, 2024 Why do leftoids get so upset that masks did nothing but make people smell their own saliva? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted August 15, 2024 1 hour ago, squistion said: How about even finding one study not over 100 years old that was accepted by pier review. Thanks for proving my point. There are no studies or proof that masks help deter the spread of influenza. Â remember, youâre the guy that believes the theory that eliminating fossil fuels will lower the temperature of the earth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted August 15, 2024 17 hours ago, Fnord said: I wouldn't expect you to understand the morality behind sacrificing a bit of your own comfort for the safety and well being of others. That's what decent people do. Masks didn't help with Covid tho. Just like the vaccine didn't stop the spread. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 15, 2024 18 hours ago, Patented Phil said: And I wouldnât expect an idiot like you to understand that the vast majority of people out there still wearing masks, such as the one alone in the park and the subject of this thread, arenât in fact doing it to protect others.  Focking idiot.  More important for you to feel superior than it is to use your common sense. IDGAF if someone is wearing a mask in public. Why do you get all judgy when others do shlt you don't understand or wouldn't do if it doesn't affect you in the least?  Why the fuk do you care? What are these people doing that gets you so spun out? Talk about using common sense. From my perspective, you're just a miserable, judgmental troll that gets off on making people "others" so YOU can feel superior to them. That's what this culture war BS you engage in is all about, after all: grown ass adults' insecurity about "others." And of course themselves, but none will admit that. You're right about ONE thing: I DO feel superior to you, simply because I care about other people regardless of how they worship, look, think, and act. You should try it sometime. I mean you're a giant gaping asssshole, but I wish you no ill despite the fact that you'd rather "put me down like a rabid dog" than listen to anything I say. Have a great day! 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted August 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: IDGAF if someone is wearing a mask in public. Why do you get all judgy when others do shlt you don't understand or wouldn't do if it doesn't affect you in the least?  Why the fuk do you care? What are these people doing that gets you so spun out? Talk about using common sense. From my perspective, you're just a miserable, judgmental troll that gets off on making people "others" so YOU can feel superior to them. That's what this culture war BS you engage in is all about, after all: grown ass adults' insecurity about "others." And of course themselves, but none will admit that. You're right about ONE thing: I DO feel superior to you, simply because I care about other people regardless of how they worship, look, think, and act. You should try it sometime. I mean you're a giant gaping asssshole, but I wish you no ill despite the fact that you'd rather "put me down like a rabid dog" than listen to anything I say. Have a great day! Is it lonely up there on your pedestal? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 15, 2024 20 hours ago, Baker Boy said: Because without proof, something you know is nothing more than an opinion. Like election fraud, Bidenâs criminality, entire cities burning to the ground, and peaceful selfie-fests? 1 hour ago, Baker Boy said: Is it lonely up there on your pedestal? No, there are a lot of people that care about their fellow humans that keep me in good company. What about you? Are you finding fulfillment mucking through the gutter, perpetuating hate and division? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted August 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Fnord said: IDGAF if someone is wearing a mask in public. Why do you get all judgy when others do shlt you don't understand or wouldn't do if it doesn't affect you in the least?  Why the fuk do you care? What are these people doing that gets you so spun out? Talk about using common sense. From my perspective, you're just a miserable, judgmental troll that gets off on making people "others" so YOU can feel superior to them. That's what this culture war BS you engage in is all about, after all: grown ass adults' insecurity about "others." And of course themselves, but none will admit that. You're right about ONE thing: I DO feel superior to you, simply because I care about other people regardless of how they worship, look, think, and act. You should try it sometime. I mean you're a giant gaping asssshole, but I wish you no ill despite the fact that you'd rather "put me down like a rabid dog" than listen to anything I say. Have a great day! Tl/dr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Tl/dr Squirrel! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted August 15, 2024 3 hours ago, Fnord said: IDGAF if someone is wearing a mask in public. Why do you get all judgy when others do shlt you don't understand or wouldn't do if it doesn't affect you in the least?  Why the fuk do you care? What are these people doing that gets you so spun out? Talk about using common sense. From my perspective, you're just a miserable, judgmental troll that gets off on making people "others" so YOU can feel superior to them. That's what this culture war BS you engage in is all about, after all: grown ass adults' insecurity about "others." And of course themselves, but none will admit that. You're right about ONE thing: I DO feel superior to you, simply because I care about other people regardless of how they worship, look, think, and act. You should try it sometime. I mean you're a giant gaping asssshole, but I wish you no ill despite the fact that you'd rather "put me down like a rabid dog" than listen to anything I say. Have a great day! Yes, the right is the party of "othering." MAGA extremist... election denier... birther... not to mention racist, misogynist, phobe-a-phobe  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted August 15, 2024 5 hours ago, Fnord said: IDGAF if someone is wearing a mask in public. Why do you get all judgy when others do shlt you don't understand or wouldn't do if it doesn't affect you in the least?  Why the fuk do you care? What are these people doing that gets you so spun out? Talk about using common sense. From my perspective, you're just a miserable, judgmental troll that gets off on making people "others" so YOU can feel superior to them. That's what this culture war BS you engage in is all about, after all: grown ass adults' insecurity about "others." And of course themselves, but none will admit that. You're right about ONE thing: I DO feel superior to you, simply because I care about other people regardless of how they worship, look, think, and act. You should try it sometime. I mean you're a giant gaping asssshole, but I wish you no ill despite the fact that you'd rather "put me down like a rabid dog" than listen to anything I say. Have a great day! I already answered that question upthread, dumbfock. I think we have enough historical record recently to conclude that the stupid shitt Liberals do is usually visited on the rest of the sane population.  So yeah, Iâll continue to target Leftist pigs like yourself.  You keep wanting to tell everyone how virtuous and superior you are, but youâre really just an authoritarian, low information pos.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Patented Phil said: I already answered that question upthread, dumbfock. I think we have enough historical record recently to conclude that the stupid shitt Liberals do is usually visited on the rest of the sane population.  So yeah, Iâll continue to target Leftist pigs like yourself.  You keep wanting to tell everyone how virtuous and superior you are, but youâre really just an authoritarian, low information pos.  No you didn't. You went on a tangent about Minnesota masking mandates, which--news flash-- haven't been a thing for years. Since nobody is "required" to wear masks anymore, tell me again why you care? Actually, don't. Everyone is sick of our slapfight. You've shown yourself to be a selfish, uncaring, close minded reactionary that buys into stereotypes and derogatory messaging. Keep hating your fellow Americans out of ignorance. Hope that works out for ya. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 15, 2024 3 hours ago, jerryskids said: Yes, the right is the party of "othering." MAGA extremist... election denier... birther... not to mention racist, misogynist, phobe-a-phobe  Read more carefully Jerry. I said nothing about the right, I was talking about Phil specifically. Same sentiment applies to those on the left that engage in the same behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted August 15, 2024 26 minutes ago, Fnord said: No you didn't. You went on a tangent about Minnesota masking mandates, which--news flash-- haven't been a thing for years. Since nobody is "required" to wear masks anymore, tell me again why you care? Actually, don't. Everyone is sick of our slapfight. You've shown yourself to be a selfish, uncaring, close minded reactionary that buys into stereotypes and derogatory messaging. Keep hating your fellow Americans out of ignorance. Hope that works out for ya. âUncaringâ. . Hey fockwad - for the record - you started this whole slapfight with the following: On 8/14/2024 at 12:46 PM, Fnord said: Never ceases to amaze me how much the "freedom loving patriots" care about how other people conduct themselves, even when said conduct has ZERO influence on their own lives. You made it political and you made it a Left-versus-Right thing.  I simply bittch-slapped you back to the babbling, virtue-signaling, dufus state that you canât seem to get out of right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted August 15, 2024 19 minutes ago, Fnord said: Read more carefully Jerry. I said nothing about the right, I was talking about Phil specifically. Same sentiment applies to those on the left that engage in the same behavior. Fair enough. But your second paragraph makes a more general reference to "culture war," which to me implies that anyone concerned with this battle meets your litany of insults. I happen to be such a person; not so much about people who mask up to hide their insecurities, but moreso about things like transing kids, which has moved beyond acceptance (which I'm generally good with) to encouragement (which I'm bad with). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,738 Posted August 15, 2024 On 8/14/2024 at 9:54 AM, squistion said: I doubt the Asians in the area that I live were brainwashed by the government prior to 2020 about wearing masks. it's not an uncommon thing for asians. my ex gf and current are south korean and taiwanese respectively. they don't wear masks now, one is even anti vax as her brother died from blood clots brought on by the covid vax. but both have said that masking prior to covid, if you were going to see it, was probably asian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,592 Posted August 16, 2024 1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said: i, one is even anti vax as her brother died from blood clots brought on by the covid vax. lies!!! liar!!!  mis/disinformation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted August 16, 2024 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: Fair enough. But your second paragraph makes a more general reference to "culture war," which to me implies that anyone concerned with this battle meets your litany of insults. I happen to be such a person; not so much about people who mask up to hide their insecurities, but moreso about things like transing kids, which has moved beyond acceptance (which I'm generally good with) to encouragement (which I'm bad with). Dude, how many people honestly outright support unequivocal access to gender surgery for minors? Anyone? I don't think I'd ever let my minor child do that, under any circumstances. But that's the point. I don't think I would. Thankfully I've not had to deal with it (knock on wood). I believe that families that are dealing with it should not have access removed because who the hell are we to tell them they can't do what they believe is right for their families? Youâve suffered through cancer. Would you be OK if I, without a dog in the fight, forbade you to undergo an experimental drug or procedure that you had strong reason to believe would greatly improve your life? More generally, I see ideology in the US that seems intent on removing certain freedoms from it's populace (like voting, bodily autonomy, reading materials, or even "wrong thought") based on the premise that it's permissible for one person to directly intervene in another person's life at will. I'll point out I'm not attributing the prior paragraph to a specific political ideology; this bullshit is everywhere. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 16, 2024 6 minutes ago, Fnord said: Dude, how many people honestly outright support unequivocal access to gender surgery for minors? Anyone? I don't think I'd ever let my minor child do that, under any circumstances. But that's the point. I don't think I would. Thankfully I've not had to deal with it (knock on wood). I believe that families that are dealing with it should not have access removed because who the hell are we to tell them they can't do what they believe is right for their families? Youâve suffered through cancer. Would you be OK if I, without a dog in the fight, forbade you to undergo an experimental drug or procedure that you had strong reason to believe would greatly improve your life? More generally, I see ideology in the US that seems intent on removing certain freedoms from it's populace (like voting, bodily autonomy, reading materials, or even "wrong thought") based on the premise that it's permissible for one person to directly intervene in another person's life at will. I'll point out I'm not attributing the prior paragraph to a specific political ideology; this bullshit is everywhere. No one does. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,937 Posted August 16, 2024 11 hours ago, squistion said: How about even finding one study not over 100 years old that was accepted by pier review. Pier review. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted August 16, 2024 Just now, lickin_starfish said: Pier review. Typo from living too many years by the harbor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted August 16, 2024 3 hours ago, Fnord said: Dude, how many people honestly outright support unequivocal access to gender surgery for minors? Anyone? I don't think I'd ever let my minor child do that, under any circumstances. But that's the point. I don't think I would. Thankfully I've not had to deal with it (knock on wood). I believe that families that are dealing with it should not have access removed because who the hell are we to tell them they can't do what they believe is right for their families? Youâve suffered through cancer. Would you be OK if I, without a dog in the fight, forbade you to undergo an experimental drug or procedure that you had strong reason to believe would greatly improve your life? More generally, I see ideology in the US that seems intent on removing certain freedoms from it's populace (like voting, bodily autonomy, reading materials, or even "wrong thought") based on the premise that it's permissible for one person to directly intervene in another person's life at will. I'll point out I'm not attributing the prior paragraph to a specific political ideology; this bullshit is everywhere. First, your premise is a red herring, as I said nothing about medical interventions. That being said, your post is odd, because after your opening statement, you spend the rest of it defending exactly what you disavow. But getting to your red herring: I actually philosophically agree with you... if we didn't have the problem I mentioned -- a society which encourages vs. merely accepts trans. If we had had this discussion 15 years ago, I'd agree with you. But in that time, we've built more than 100 for-profit gender clinics. Do you think such a clinic is in the business of telling a confused child that they aren't trans? We have political lobbying groups pretending to be medical groups (AMA, APA) which say medical interventions for kids are just fine. We eagerly give a shy, confused teenage girl testosterone and, shockingly, she feels more confident. Leftist parents who feel they are winning some sort of virtue signaling olympics by interpreting any sign that's not 100% traditional boy/girl that their kid is trans? I could go on, but hopefully my position is clear. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites