Mass Deportation

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is crap. Sorry but I come from a family of educators and there is NO evidence that anyone falls behind due to undocumented children being educated. Yes there is overcrowding in some areas but the answer is more money, not kicking children out of school. 
 

 

Those educators maybe should have educated you.  Class size has always been a central tenet of educators advocating for chldren.  The smaller the better as that means more individualized attention per pupil.  Also the NEA has emphasized that non-english speaking students need an inordinate amount of time and resources, time and resources taken from the other students since both are of a finite quantity.  I am not advocating throwing children out of school.  I am advocating not letting them into our schools in the first place by not letting them illegally into the ocuntry. If immigration were controled and predictable (read: legal only) we could plan for the number of students.  We would have the classrooms to accomodate them, and the teachers, and the resources to teach engish and to teach in their native toungues until they have some mastery of english.  Overwhelming a system which needs lead time for planning for proper functioning does damage that system, and its product, in this case educated children.  Advocating otherwise so you can cling to your orthodoxy that Illegal immigration is a good is the height of foolishness.

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10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is crap. Sorry but I come from a family of educators and there is NO evidence that anyone falls behind due to undocumented children being educated. Yes there is overcrowding in some areas but the answer is more money, not kicking children out of school. 
 

 

You're lying. 

My Daughter is in Middle school, the kids are always complaining because the Teacher spends the whole class trying to explain things to the Pedros that barley understand English. That's less time devoted to teaching REAL kids. 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You're lying. 

My Daughter is in Middle school, the kids are always complaining because the Teacher spends the whole class trying to explain things to the Pedros that barley understand English. That's less time devoted to teaching REAL kids. 

 

They are all REAL kids, just some are citizens, sons and daughters of those taxpayers in the school district, usually property owners, and some are illegal aliens.  The schools should have a mandate to educate lawful residents of the district, not illegal transients.  Hell, if they feel an obligation to illegals maybe they ought to extend that obligation just the tiniest bit further and spend half of their school year teaching on-line to poor foriegn countries.  I am sure our kids will understand as long as the explanation is kept at a rudimentary level involving no math or science.

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6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

They are all REAL kids, just some are citizens, sons and daughters of those taxpayers in the school district, usually property owners, and some are illegal aliens.  The schools should have a mandate to educate lawful residents of the district, not illegal transients.  Hell, if they feel an obligation to illegals maybe they ought to extend that obligation just the tiniest bit further and spend half of their school year taching on-line to poor foriegn countries.  I am sure our kids will understand as long as the explanation is kept at a rudimentary level involving no math or science.

The schools could teach the illegal kids how to work in the cafeteria and do grounds work outside.

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Tim, after Brett Baier called Arizona early for Biden and Tucker left the network, most conservatives (under 60) turned on Fox News. Trump declined their invite to debate on their network too this past election. 
You need to come up with a new boogeyman. MSM media is dead. We are the news now. 

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4 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

The schools could teach the illegal kids how to work in the cafeteria and do grounds work outside.

Who’s going to clean the toilets?

-Kelly Osbourne 

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22 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thats completely wrong. You got that from a group of right wing politicians and they’re not telling you the truth. 

 

22 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve done it dozens of times. This is from two months ago: 

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

Go ahead and refute it. 

 

22 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I love it when you provide links to back up your assertion on this.  Everytime you do I deconstruct them as being very outdated, partisan, and missing the point as they use the metric of convictions which ignores that many illegals evade prosecution and conviction by moving back to their home countries, at least for a time.  Convictions has little to nothing to do with rate of criminality.  that someone getsd away with a crime does not mean the crime has not been commited. Whenever that is pointed out to you  you end up ignoring those obvious flaws in your supposedly supporting documents.  Just like you ignore the economic arguments that reintroduced diseases, school overcrowding leading to lower educational achievement for a whole generation and thus lower productivity for that generation, inflated cost for low income housing and thus shortages of the same, and of course murders and maimings all have a cost that is never factored in to your articles supporting your fallacious economic arguments.  What is the cost for a rape murder?  Waht would you or I or anyone give up to prevent that from happening to a loved one?

 

I hope the illegals all flock to your state and local as they try to avoid deportation.  I hope they seek the protections of your politicians.  Since they are an economic benefit you and your like should be advertising for them to relocate from the U.S as a whole to your locales.  We will see how that works.  Of course we already know from Martha's vineyard to New York and chicago, but lets have more of that.

 

 

Great post.  I'll add:  Soros-backed activist DAs who don't prosecute illegal aliens for fear they might be deported.

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I hope that in tandem with those already having deportation orders and criminals, they also work to ruthlessly out the terrorists that the Democrats have allowed to infiltrate us.....these people could strike at any time and any where, and do serious damage.

I think there needs to be even MORE attention paid to the terrorist fiends that Democrats have embraced.

[squistion 1,957]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I hope that in tandem with those already having deportation orders and criminals, they also work to ruthlessly out the terrorists that the Democrats have allowed to infiltrate us.....these people could strike at any time and any where, and do serious damage.

I think there needs to be even MORE attention paid to the terrorist fiends that Democrats have embraced.

What terrorist fiends have the Democrats embraced? 

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

What terrorist fiends have the Democrats embraced? 

The ones allowed into this nation and crossed our borders.

[squistion 1,957]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The ones allowed into this nation and crossed our borders.

There can't be too many of these "terrorist fiends" if you can't name any. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

There can't be too many of these "terrorist fiends" if you can't name any. 

Absurd.  As if any of us could have named any of the terrorists who hit us in the past before they did so.  What an abundantly stupid statement.

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According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, since fiscal year 2021, 382 aliens on the terrorist watchlist have been caught illegally crossing our Southwest border, and at least 99 illegal aliens on the watchlist were released into the United States by DHS between fiscal years 2021 and 2023.

Read this

Review CBP stats

Honestly, you are either being purposely obtuse, or you really are, like seriously....stupid..

[squistion 1,957]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Absurd.  As if any of us could have named any of the terrorists who hit us in the past before they did so.  What an abundantly stupid statement.

Read this

Review CBP stats

Honestly, you are either being purposely obtuse, or you really are, like seriously....stupid..

From you link, these are the ones that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection caught.

As i suspected, Democrats are not "allowing terrorist fiends" in.

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Absurd.  As if any of us could have named any of the terrorists who hit us in the past before they did so.  What an abundantly stupid statement.

Read this

Review CBP stats

Honestly, you are either being purposely obtuse, or you really are, like seriously....stupid..

I'm going with stupid.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

From you lin, these are the ones that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection caught.

As i suspected, Democrats are not "allowing terrorist fiends" in.

Yes, they have been, along with a host of other criminals, which by the way was a big reason Democrats now hold the White House, senate and House....so thank you for ignoring reality.

Now, these numbers only represent the ones they were able to be aware of.  So later, should it arise that one of of these subhumans takes some action that results in the loss of life.....I have to infer you wont care.....

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

I'm going with stupid.

But, is it? Or is it just cognitive dissonance? Or even fear?

We DO have elected Democrats who lament that they cannot speak frankly on subjects out of fear....so how much of active ignorance is fear?

[squistion 1,957]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes, they have been, along with a host of other criminals, which by the way was a big reason Democrats now hold the White House, senate and House....so thank you for ignoring reality.

Now, these numbers only represent the ones they were able to be aware of.  So later, should it arise that one of of these subhumans takes some action that results in the loss of life.....I have to infer you wont care.....

And who has committed a terrorist act among the ones Democrats supposedly allowed to come across the border? Can you name one (I don't recall any but there may be some terrorist act in the news that I missed). 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

And who has committed a terrorist act among the ones Democrats supposedly allowed to come across the border? Can you name one (I don't recall any but there may be some terrorist act in the news that I missed). 

I would like to submit ,that if someone has to die before you will admit this problem.....that you should be included in that count......is that fair enough?

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I would like to submit ,that if someone has to die before you will admit this problem.....that you should be included in that count......is that fair enough?

I should be included in the count of those that die? That isn't very nice. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

I should be included in the count of those that die? That isn't very nice. 

Well, why not? You are here today attempting to deny the issue of terrorists being present in this nation, using the justification that you havent seen any attacks yet.....why should others have to die so you can pretend its not a problem, I doubt they would find that very nice.....maybe stop pretending its not a problem and consider the problem honestly?

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The 9/11 terrorists didn't commit a terrorist act........until they did.

[squistion 1,957]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, why not? You are here today attempting to deny the issue of terrorists being present in this nation, using the justification that you havent seen any attacks yet.....why should others have to die so you can pretend its not a problem, I doubt they would find that very nice.....maybe stop pretending its not a problem and consider the problem honestly?

Terrific. Now someone here is wishing that I die.  What a fun place this is. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, squistion said:

Terrific. Now someone here is wishing that I die.  What a fun place this is. 

No, not at all, asking you to consider joining the company of those who have to perish before you will accept the problem, I mean, why should others have to die before you will accept the problem?   If you insist someone has to die before you will admit it, why should that be someone else? Thats not very nice......suggesting people have to die before you accept a problem.

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Terrific. Now someone here is wishing that I die.  What a fun place this is. 

I believe he is wishing your ignorance would die.  I think, though I should not speak for him, that if that died and you remained alive that would be fine with him.  On the other hand, if the only way to rid the world of your ignorance is for you to die so that on your death bed you gain enlightenment on this particular issue he does seem O.K. with that. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I believe he is wishing your ignorance would die.  I think, though I should not speak for him, that if that died and you remained alive that would be fine with him.  On the other hand, if the only way to rid the world of your ignorance is for you to die so that on your death bed you gain enlightenment on this particular issue he does seem O.K. with that. 

Well, I do wish his active ignorance would perish.....but consider what he has posted here.....

After I proved that terrorists have crossed the border, which is a remarkable thing to have to prove after all that has happened.....did he say "wow, that does seem like it might be an issue, the incoming administration needs to look into that right away to protect americans.... did he say THAT?????? no.....

here is what he said 

And who has committed a terrorist act among the ones Democrats supposedly allowed to come across the border? Can you name one (I don't recall any but there may be some terrorist act in the news that I missed). 

Implicit in this statement is that he now asserts since no terrorist has yet attacked us, there is no problem......and implicit in this stance is that an attack has to happen... someone must perish before he will allow it to actually be a problem....well, "I" dont want to be the proof for him, why should "I" have to perish to prove to HIM the thing I have asserted is true.....why should anyone else except for HIM.....have to.....

[squistion 1,957]

8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I believe he is wishing your ignorance would die.  I think, though I should not speak for him, that if that died and you remained alive that would be fine with him.  On the other hand, if the only way to rid the world of your ignorance is for you to die so that on your death bed you gain enlightenment on this particular issue he does seem O.K. with that. 

Be assured that if I gain enlightenment of any issue on my death bed, I probably won't take the time to make a post about it here.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Those educators maybe should have educated you.  Class size has always been a central tenet of educators advocating for chldren.  The smaller the better as that means more individualized attention per pupil.  Also the NEA has emphasized that non-english speaking students need an inordinate amount of time and resources, time and resources taken from the other students since both are of a finite quantity.  I am not advocating throwing children out of school.  I am advocating not letting them into our schools in the first place by not letting them illegally into the ocuntry. If immigration were controled and predictable (read: legal only) we could plan for the number of students.  We would have the classrooms to accomodate them, and the teachers, and the resources to teach engish and to teach in their native toungues until they have some mastery of english.  Overwhelming a system which needs lead time for planning for proper functioning does damage that system, and its product, in this case educated children.  Advocating otherwise so you can cling to your orthodoxy that Illegal immigration is a good is the height of foolishness.

Did I not acknowledge that overcrowding is a problem? What I reject is your implication that undocumented immigration is the source of that problem. Thats the crap part. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did I not acknowledge that overcrowding is a problem? What I reject is your implication that undocumented immigration is the source of that problem. Thats the crap part. 

There are none so blind as those who timschochet.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,955]

I wish that if anyone has to die in a terrorist attack by someone Biden let in that it’s Squishy and Real Tim instead of someone innocent. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I wish that if anyone has to die in a terrorist attack by someone Biden let in that it’s Squishy and Real Tim instead of someone innocent. 

Ah yes the usual classy comment by Hardcore. I suppose I should be grateful that this time it’s me that’s the target and not one of my daughters. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,955]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Ah yes the usual classy comment by Hardcore. I suppose I should be grateful that this time it’s me that’s the target and not one of my daughters. 

Your daughters weren’t the target. You were. Stop twisting things drama queen. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

32 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

There are none so blind as those who timschochet.

You seem like a smart and good dude but you’ve fallen into the trap on this question of blaming these mostly poor and innocent people for all of our woes. Sadly this is a disease that seems to have infected most of our nation at this time. It will have to run its course. I hope things don’t get too ugly. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Ah yes the usual classy comment by Hardcore. I suppose I should be grateful that this time it’s me that’s the target and not one of my daughters. 

For real. What a POS. At least he left Geek kids alone this time. 

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You seem like a smart and good dude but you’ve fallen into the trap on this question of blaming these mostly poor and innocent people for all of our woes. Sadly this is a disease that seems to have infected most of our nation at this time. It will have to run its course. I hope things don’t get too ugly. 

I see things quite clearly.  You have fallen into the trap of self-congratulating yourself on your own moral and intellectual superiority when you have neither.  You accepted uncritically the leftist orthodoxy on illegal migrants and only seek out informat[on to butress your position.  You strive mightily to delude yourself, and to your crerdit you succeed in what you have set out to do.

 

BTW, I don't blame individual illegals.  I blame the politicians and their supporters who have not only allowed, but in many cases encouraged this to get way out of hand.  I completely understand and appreciate the position of border jumpers doing all they can and taking risks and encountering uncertainties to make a better life for themselves and their families.  If I found myself on the wrong side of a border I would find a way to get to the right side.  Individuals, however, have nothing to do with national policy.  They don't set it, we do, or at least we should.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

22 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I see things quite clearly.  You have fallen into the trap of self-congratulating yourself on your own moral and intellectual superiority when you have neither.  You accepted uncritically the leftist orthodoxy on illegal migrants and only seek out informaiton to butress your position.  You strive mightily to delude yourself, and to your crerdit you succeed in what you have set out to do.

 

BTW, I don't blame individual illegals.  i blame the politicians and their supporters who have not only allowed, but in many cases encouraged this to get way out of hand.  i completely understand and appreciate the position of border jumpers doing all they can and taking risks and encountering uncertainties to make a better life for themselves and their families.  If I found myself on the wrong side of a border i would find a way to get to teh right side.  Individuals, however, have nothing to do with national policy.  They don't set it, we do, or at least we should.

As I said yesterday I’m actually closer to you than may appear. I would like to see things more orderly as you would. The problems we see are the same, though I think you exaggerate certain aspects of it and you obviously think I don’t appreciate them enough. Thats OK. 
 

Where we differ strongly is that I can’t go with our new President’s proposals to solve these issues. If you can then I’m afraid we’re at a moral impass. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

As I said yesterday I’m actually closer to you than may appear. I would like to see things more orderly as you would. The problems we see are the same, though I think you exaggerate certain aspects of it and you obviously think I don’t appreciate them enough. Thats OK. 
 

Where we differ strongly is that I can’t go with our new President’s proposals to solve these issues. If you can then I’m afraid we’re at a moral impass. 

Imagine, me and morals being in the same sentence.  Morels maybe, but not morals.

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

For real. What a POS. At least he left Geek kids alone this time. 

Tell Joe Biden that 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

BTW one point of correction- it’s not the leftist orthodoxy that defines my position on these migrants- it’s the libertarian orthodoxy. To me it’s a question of capitalism. It’s the same reason I’m for free trade. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

it’s not the leftist orthodoxy that defines my position on these migrants- it’s the libertarian orthodoxy.

It's you, don't blame it on anything else 

[iam90sbaby 2,493]

Hindsight 20/20 the north should’ve thrown and let the south win