Volleyball team forfeits.

[jerryskids 6,559]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

It’s possible, but it’s not like she doesn’t know what she’s doing, she’s been playing volleyball for years.  If she had so much power such that it was a safety issue, the other team wouldn’t be able to stop her, and her stats would be a lot better.   Pretty simple concept really, not surprised you don’t get it. 

Actually, the simple concept is that if you allow this man to compete with women, you've set precedent for future (more capable) men to do the same.  You've also introduced a process where somebody has to make some decision of whether or not every trans man "sucks" enough to compete with women.  That's both unmanageable, and not exactly making the trans person feel good about themselves, which is the argument by the Left of why they should be allowed to compete with women.

I honestly don't know why you bump these yip yip topics of yours.   

[TimHauck 2,611]

47 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Actually, the simple concept is that if you allow this man to compete with women, you've set precedent for future (more capable) men to do the same.  You've also introduced a process where somebody has to make some decision of whether or not every trans man "sucks" enough to compete with women.  That's both unmanageable, and not exactly making the trans person feel good about themselves, which is the argument by the Left of why they should be allowed to compete with women.

I honestly don't know why you bump these yip yip topics of yours.   

I agree, as I said earlier she should not be playing against women.  And the potential for a safety issue in general is part of the reason why.  Just saying this particular person doesn’t appear to really pose one.

Part of the reason I call this out is that many people pretty sure including some here have claimed that trannies were going to “take over” women’s sports.  But to my knowledge Lia Thomas is the only one that’s made a meaningful impact in D1.  I think the women that beat the trannies at these sports deserve a lot of praise, and IMO that’s just as beneficial maybe even moreso for the cause of “saving women’s sports” than forfeiting.

[jerryskids 6,559]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I agree, as I said earlier she should not be playing against women.  And the potential for a safety issue in general is part of the reason why.  Just saying this particular person doesn’t appear to really pose one.

Part of the reason I call this out is that many people including some here have claimed that trannies were going to “take over” women’s sports.  But to my knowledge Lia Thomas is the only one that’s made a meaningful impact in D1.  I think the women that beat the trannies at these sports deserve a lot of praise, and IMO that’s just as beneficial maybe even moreso for the cause of “saving women’s sports” than forfeiting.

I think you are wrong in presuming that the issue only matters in high-level D1 sports.  IMO the issue is not that men will take all of that over.  It is that at every level, a man in a woman's sport at a minimum takes a roster spot from a woman, and potentially introduces not only safety issues, but imbalance of abilities which can cause other women to lose competitions, chances at scholarships and/or spots at the next level, etc.  It is an entire house of cards with influences in all directions.

[TimHauck 2,611]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I think you are wrong in presuming that the issue only matters in high-level D1 sports.  IMO the issue is not that men will take all of that over.  It is that at every level, a man in a woman's sport at a minimum takes a roster spot from a woman, and potentially introduces not only safety issues, but imbalance of abilities which can cause other women to lose competitions, chances at scholarships and/or spots at the next level, etc.  It is an entire house of cards with influences in all directions.

I didn’t say D1 was the only thing that mattered. Just saying that the lack of success by trannies in D1 outside of Thomas suggests that they’re not going to “take over,” although at least you acknowledge that isn’t really your concern.  I do think part of the reason they have not done well in D1 though is that there are hormone requirements.  They can’t just decide one day they’re a girl and compete, like they can in high school.

[jerryskids 6,559]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say D1 was the only thing that mattered. Just saying that the lack of success by trannies in D1 outside of Thomas suggests that they’re not going to “take over,” although at least you acknowledge that isn’t really your concern.  I do think part of the reason they have not done well in D1 though is that there are hormone requirements.  They can’t just decide one day they’re a girl and compete, like they can in high school.

Technically you didn't, but it was the main thrust of your post, along with the following:

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I think the women that beat the trannies at these sports deserve a lot of praise, and IMO that’s just as beneficial maybe even moreso for the cause of “saving women’s sports” than forfeiting.

So, are you proposing that we should let men compete with women because sometimes, women will win, and that is "just as beneficial or even more so"?

What are you saying, and why did you bump this?

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree, as I said earlier she should not be playing against women.  And the potential for a safety issue in general is part of the reason why.  Just saying this particular person doesn’t appear to really pose one.

Part of the reason I call this out is that many people pretty sure including some here have claimed that trannies were going to “take over” women’s sports.  But to my knowledge Lia Thomas is the only one that’s made a meaningful impact in D1.  I think the women that beat the trannies at these sports deserve a lot of praise, and IMO that’s just as beneficial maybe even moreso for the cause of “saving women’s sports” than forfeiting.

Also for every one of these spots taken by a biological man, a girl loses her scholarship or opportunity to play.  

[TimHauck 2,611]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, are you proposing that we should let men compete with women

I keep saying no and you keep saying I’m saying yes 

[jerryskids 6,559]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I keep saying no and you keep saying I’m saying yes 

I don't understand why you bumped this thread with an apparent justification for this guy competing, apparently because he isn't that good.  Feel free to clearly state your position and why you bumped this thread.   

[TimHauck 2,611]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't understand why you bumped this thread with an apparent justification for this guy competing, apparently because he isn't that good.  Feel free to clearly state your position and why you bumped this thread.   

 

On 10/1/2024 at 9:46 AM, TimHauck said:

Agree that she should not be on a woman’s team, but per usual, this seems to be being blown out of proportion. 

 

[jerryskids 6,559]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

That's not clear.  What does that second quote mean?

[TimHauck 2,611]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That's not clear.  What does that second quote mean?

It means I thought the outrage over this specific player was being overblown.  To be clear that was more referring to social media comments and not here, that kept pointing out how the team was 10-0 or whatever their record was at the time.   But they hadn’t beaten anyone good and now have lost several matches to other teams who aren’t even that good.

[jerryskids 6,559]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

It means I thought the outrage over this specific player was being overblown.  To be clear that was more referring to social media comments and not here, that kept pointing out how the team was 10-0 or whatever their record was at the time.   But they hadn’t beaten anyone good and now have lost several matches to other teams who aren’t even that good.

So you agree that he shouldn't be on a woman's team, but went out of your way to bump this thread... why exactly?  You feel the outrage over this specific player is overblown so... what exactly?  What do you hope to accomplish here?  It makes no sense.

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So you agree that he shouldn't be on a woman's team, but went out of your way to bump this thread... why exactly?  You feel the outrage over this specific player is overblown so... what exactly?  What do you hope to accomplish here?  It makes no sense.

He's trying to "gotcha" those of us who have an issue with biological males competing against biological females.  We have those concerns for a variety of reasons but he latches on to one that he thinks makes us look like our concerns aren't justified to try to pull a "gotcha", especially against those of us who have made him look foolish in the past.  It's his M.O. if you haven't been paying attention.  Instead of laying out a clearly understood position and debating from that position, he just tries to pull a gotcha.  All the time. 

[Horseman 2,357]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So you agree that he shouldn't be on a woman's team, but went out of your way to bump this thread... why exactly?  You feel the outrage over this specific player is overblown so... what exactly?  What do you hope to accomplish here?  It makes no sense.

Strap on the metal helmet a little too tight again.  

[TimHauck 2,611]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So you agree that he shouldn't be on a woman's team, but went out of your way to bump this thread... why exactly?  You feel the outrage over this specific player is overblown so... what exactly?  What do you hope to accomplish here?  It makes no sense.

I felt the outrage over this specific player was overblown as I was reading a lot of SM comments saying things like “of course the team is 9-0!” (or whatever their record was when this first went viral)

But now they are 9-3

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Just now, TimHauck said:

I felt the outrage over this specific player was overblown as I was reading a lot of SM comments saying things like “of course the team is 9-0!” (or whatever their record was when this first went viral)

But now they are 9-3

Most of us who don't believe in biological males competing on biological women's sports teams don't care about the team's record or how good the player is at that sport.  If a biological male was the last player on the bench of a 0-25 college basketball team and never played a minute in one game I would still be outraged.  Your reasoning is flawed and suggests you clearly don't understand WHY we have an issue with biological males playing on biological women's sports teams. 

[TimHauck 2,611]

Just now, Strike said:

Most of us who don't believe in biological males competing on biological women's sports teams don't care about the team's record or how good the player is at that sport.  If a biological male was the last player on the bench of a 0-25 college basketball team and never played a minute in one game I would still be outraged.  Your reasoning is flawed and suggests you clearly don't understand WHY we have an issue with biological males playing on biological women's sports teams. 

You should speak for yourself, as I know there was at least one poster here saying trannies were going to “take over women’s sports”

[TimHauck 2,611]

The success of the tranny is definitely correlated with the overall level of outrage though.  It’s why Riley Gaines is a celebrity now.

[Strike 5,186]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

You should speak for yourself, as I know there was at least one poster here saying trannies were going to “take over women’s sports”

1)  There are multiple reasons for being against this.

2)  Allowed to grow unfettered that's the likely outcome.  The fact that it hasn't happened overnight doesn't change that likelihood.  Just like letting in millions of illegal immigrants doesn't affect you or me in our local neighborhoods.....................YET.

[TimHauck 2,611]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

2)  Allowed to grow unfettered that's the likely outcome.  

Disagree, but you are welcome to your opinion

[TimHauck 2,611]

Interesting development.  Associate Head Coach has filed a complaint alleging favoritism on behalf of Fleming, and appears to allege that Fleming conspired with a member of an opposing team to potentially attempt to injure her teammate that has spoken out against her.  Then coach that made the complaint gets suspended.

Reminder to @jerryskids that I’ve repeatedly said she shouldn’t be on the team, this of course would be more reason why.

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown/
 

 

[jerryskids 6,559]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Interesting development.  Associate Head Coach has filed a complaint alleging favoritism on behalf of Fleming, and appears to allege that Fleming conspired with a member of an opposing team to potentially attempt to injure her teammate that has spoken out against her.  Then coach that made the complaint gets suspended.

Reminder to @jerryskids that I’ve repeatedly said she shouldn’t be on the team, this of course would be more reason why.

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown/
 

 

Thanks for posting.  I had heard about this, but hadn't read a detailed report. 

That assistant AD Alexander seems like a real piece of work.   

[TimHauck 2,611]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for posting.  I had heard about this, but hadn't read a detailed report. 

That assistant AD Alexander seems like a real piece of work.   

Eh, I’m not sure it’s her fault, she’s probably just trying to avoid the school getting sued. 

This case is an example why we need some actual laws on this though.

[Strike 5,186]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Eh, I’m not sure it’s her fault, she’s probably just trying to avoid the school getting sued. 

This case is an example why we need some actual laws on this though.

We have one.  it's called Title IX. 

[jerryskids 6,559]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Eh, I’m not sure it’s her fault, she’s probably just trying to avoid the school getting sued. 

This case is an example why we need some actual laws on this though.

Perhaps.  But if an opponent ends up in a coma from one of the guy's spikes, they may face a real lawsuit.

[TimHauck 2,611]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

We have one.  it's called Title IX. 

I believe that’s precisely why they fear getting sued by Fleming

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

That is a pretty good look at the real issues that surround some of this outside of just fear mongering. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

Wow, that was a great read.  Just shows you how evil the pro-Trans crowd is.  That this is happening is un-f'n'-believable.  We really need to stomp this trans BS out entirely.  Title X shouldn't be offering them protections to join women's sports.

You are what your chromosomes/sex organs say you are, not what you "identify" as.  That is 100% undeniable and irrefutable.

Since the ludicrous left has pushed this issue, it's time to make that into Federal law.  No more catering to the mentally-ill trannies.

[TimHauck 2,611]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wow, that was a great read.  Just shows you how evil the pro-Trans crowd is.  That this is happening is un-f'n'-believable.  We really need to stomp this trans BS out entirely.  Title X shouldn't be offering them protections to join women's sports.

You are what your chromosomes/sex organs say you are, not what you "identify" as.  That is 100% undeniable and irrefutable.

Since the ludicrous left has pushed this issue, it's time to make that into Federal law.  No more catering to the mentally-ill trannies.

It is kinda interesting that the tranny would even want to be on the same team where most of them don’t want her there.   But apparently she has an athletic scholarship so if she quits she probably loses it - but if I’m the school I’d “encourage” her to quit but let her keep the scholarship.

So according to the article she was recruited by a previous coach, but it’s not clear if even that coach knew she was a tranny.   Which could be where the lawsuit fear comes in if they would now decide she couldn’t be on the team. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It is kinda interesting that the tranny would even want to be on the same team where most of them don’t want her there.   But apparently she has an athletic scholarship so if she quits she probably loses it - but if I’m the school I’d “encourage” her to quit but let her keep the scholarship.

So according to the article she was recruited by a previous coach, but it’s not clear if even that coach knew she was a tranny.   Which could be where the lawsuit fear comes in if they would now decide she couldn’t be on the team. 

The scholarship thing is weird to me. It just feels like that was done to avoid a lawsuit and they've worked themselves into a corner.

[TimHauck 2,611]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The scholarship thing is weird to me. It just feels like that was done to avoid a lawsuit and they've worked themselves into a corner.

My guess is she was offered the scholarship and they didn’t know she was trans 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

My guess is she was offered the scholarship and they didn’t know she was trans 

I mean did it never come up? Did they just watch video and not visit in person?

[TimHauck 2,611]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I mean did it never come up? Did they just watch video and not visit in person?

I believe even the girl on the team speaking out says she lived with the tranny for months before realizing it.

The suspended coach looks more like the tranny TBH.  That’s definitely who @weepaws would be more likely to beat up for using a women’s bathroom (photos in Twitter post)

https://twitter.com/WheelerKaitlynn/status/1853145935867756791

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Watch the video of the SDSU fascist AD confronting a fan protesting a dude competing in women’s sports.  He should’ve punched that little poosay right in the mouth.

Pro-Women Chants From Crowd Draw School Ire As SJSU, Blaire Fleming Face Mountain West Rival

[TimHauck 2,611]

4 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Watch the video of the SDSU fascist AD confronting a fan protesting a dude competing in women’s sports.  He should’ve punched that little fascist right in the mouth.

Pro-Women Chants From Crowd Draw School Ire As SJSU, Blaire Fleming Face Mountain West Rival

I can’t really hear what’s being said here and don’t know what was said that led to this, but “free speech” doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want at sporting events.  Referees or administration are within their right to eject attendees for what they consider to be unsportsmanlike behavior.  If they only chanted “no men in women’s sports,” I wouldn’t consider that to be unsportsmanlike, but I’m guessing there was more said than that.

Also kinda weird that they’re going after the opposing team’s AD, they’re not the ones with the tranny on their team.  The tranny’s team lost this match, btw.

[Mike Hunt 261]

This is a topic that Dems don`t know how to handle.  How can you champion actual bio women's rights and protect them, then let a bio man compete against them is any sport?  

This is what is hurting the Dem party. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

In an unrelated note: do sportsbooks take bets on women's volleyball?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I can’t really hear what’s being said here and don’t know what was said that led to this, but “free speech” doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want at sporting events.  Referees or administration are within their right to eject attendees for what they consider to be unsportsmanlike behavior.  If they only chanted “no men in women’s sports,” I wouldn’t consider that to be unsportsmanlike, but I’m guessing there was more said than that.

Also kinda weird that they’re going after the opposing team’s AD, they’re not the ones with the tranny on their team.  The tranny’s team lost this match, btw.

I wish I could bet money on what you will post.  Because it would have been almost word for word what you said.  It’s a state run University supported by taxpayers.  A fan has every right to voice their displeasure with a man playing against women.  Title IX supports his right.  It’s the whole reason behind it’s existence.

In a microcosm, this is why the Democrats got trounced in this election.  They are the Party of Trannies and Censorship.  Kudos to you for supporting both of those.  Wrong position, as usual.  At least you are consistent.

[TimHauck 2,611]

9 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I wish I could bet money on what you will post.  Because it would have been almost word for word what you said.  It’s a state run University supported by taxpayers.  A fan has every right to voice their displeasure with a man playing against women.  Title IX supports his right.  It’s the whole reason behind it’s existence.

In a microcosm, this is why the Democrats got trounced in this election.  They are the Party of Trannies and Censorship.  Kudos to you for supporting both of those.  Wrong position, as usual.  At least you are consistent.

Huh?  I literally said I don’t have a problem if all they were saying was “no men in women’s sports.”    But if they were saying “# whatever has a d1ck” or something then yes that could certainly be considered unsportsmanlike.

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:44 AM, TimHauck said:

My guess is she was offered the scholarship and they didn’t know she was trans 

So does that mean it materially and fraudulently represented itself to obtain a benefit rightfully designated for another?  If it sues perhaps there is a more powerful counterclaim.