I figured out the defining characteristic that makes someone a lifelong liberal

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, jonmx said:

 

They are complete opposites.  Questioning the official narrative is critical thinking against common wisdom.  It takes courage to go against group think.  People that go along with groupthink often knows it is complete nonsense, but go along with it out of fear of looking stupid.  

They are on opposite ends of the spectrum but still very similar.

Are you inferring that conservatives go along with complete nonsense because they actually believe it to be true?

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

They are on opposite ends of the spectrum but still very similar.

Are you inferring that conservatives go along with complete nonsense because they actually believe it to be true?

 

They are actually not.  If you want to be widely accepted in public and not publicly ridiculed by the authorities, you go along with stupid ideas that gender is whatever a person thinks it is.  All the powerful institutions back up many absurd beliefs like it is racist to require an ID to vote.  People who think for themselves do not go along with such ideas.  They go along with it because that is what the media and big tech and Hollywood and the education system tells them and they are too frocking afraid to say something.  There is no peer-pressure to believe that rogue agents in the CIA were part of the conspiracy to kill JFK, MLK and RFK.  There is no peer pressure to believe that trying to put a man in prision running for president because some memo on a check is a gross abuse of power and the worst case of election interference in our nations history.  Only compete dumfuks who are too afraid to question authority believe any of these crap cases against Trump have merit.  

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

It’s difficult for me to understand how any grown man in 2024 looks at all the transgressions and civil liberty violations by the government in their lifetime and say I want more of that. The government isn’t good at anything other than killing people and ruining lives. 

[Fnord 2,051]

17 hours ago, jonmx said:

retard.  You still are clueless what authoritarianism and fascism is.  You are the bootlicker for the IRS, FBI, CIA, CDC, DHS, ATF, Big Tech, Big Media. Big Pharma, Hollywood and the Military industrial complex.  Those are the authoritarians and the alliance among them is fascism.

Serious effing question.....what do you bootlick for all those effing authoritarian bastards?  And I am serious.  Are you seriously that effing stupid as to what those groups are doing???

Pro tip: distrusting every person in every single institution that makes our country livable turns you into an antisocial freak. Do you not realize that your friends and neighbors work for some of those organizations? Why didn't you include the Police and DOJ above? Do you know any cops? Are they all into destroying your freedom, or are they normal people living their lives? How do you propose to eliminate these institutions? What do you think happens if you're successful?

You see malice everywhere, in everything. Sorry your life experiences have led you to that conclusion, but that's not the world I live in. Is there corruption in those institutions? Yes. Are they overrun with people that hate you and everything about America? Is every employee a mindless slave? No. Not even close.

I used to be into conspiracy theories. I spent years believing many of the same things you do. But then I realized that most people are like me. They just want to be left alone to live their lives, to do what's best for themselves and their kids, and don't really GAF about what others do, as long as it's not interfering with their lives. Maybe someday you'll figure that out. Until then, I'll keep calling you a fascist and a terrorist, because that's how you come off. You're no better than a radical muslim that wants everything to burn. You're probably worse, because you pretend you actually want a better nation, while hating half the population and hoping for a reckoning.

[purdygood 334]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Pro tip: distrusting every person in every single institution that makes our country livable turns you into an antisocial freak. Do you not realize that your friends and neighbors work for some of those organizations? Why didn't you include the Police and DOJ above? Do you know any cops? Are they all into destroying your freedom, or are they normal people living their lives? How do you propose to eliminate these institutions? What do you think happens if you're successful?

You see malice everywhere, in everything. Sorry your life experiences have led you to that conclusion, but that's not the world I live in. Is there corruption in those institutions? Yes. Are they overrun with people that hate you and everything about America? Is every employee a mindless slave? No. Not even close.

I used to be into conspiracy theories. I spent years believing many of the same things you do. But then I realized that most people are like me. They just want to be left alone to live their lives, to do what's best for themselves and their kids, and don't really GAF about what others do, as long as it's not interfering with their lives. Maybe someday you'll figure that out. Until then, I'll keep calling you a fascist and a terrorist, because that's how you come off. You're no better than a radical muslim that wants everything to burn. You're probably worse, because you pretend you actually want a better nation, while hating half the population and hoping for a reckoning.

If you are always the victim and anytime anything goes wrong, "they" are out to get you. Then you are the problem. Truth is, most people are stupid and bad at their jobs (on both "sides") but they are trying their best. They don't wake up every day trying to "get ya"!  Yes, there a few evil people (on both "sides") who try to manipulate these dumb dumbs but entire Institutions are not out to get you. And if they we're, you think they would give a F about random Jon living in bumF wherever?

[jonmx 2,424]

49 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Pro tip: distrusting every person in every single institution that makes our country livable turns you into an antisocial freak. Do you not realize that your friends and neighbors work for some of those organizations?

I never said every person in every institution is corrupt.  I have spent many years inside one of those three-letter institutions.   I know the people and I understand how and why these institutions are inheriently corrupt.   

The culture inside the institutions is one of strict compliance to numerous rules and regulations.   It Is a culture of not rocking the boat and going along with the nonsense.  The average worker is held to strict compliance standards and whistleblowing against leadershio can have severe consequences.

The problem is not the workers at the lower level or even the lower level leadership.   The problem is at the top and the structure of our institutions.   We created a country which had checks and balances between the Congress, the white house and the federal courts.  When we had a small government those checks and balances worked great.  

But what happened?  We created this army of bureaucracies inside the executive branch which has enormous powers over every individual and business in this country.  They can destroy anyone at anytime with millions of rules which they created that greatly expanded the actual laws that were passed legally by Congress. 

And the biggest problem is there is zero visibility or accountability.  A federal bureaucracy can target and abuse individual citizens and there is no recourse as the federal employee and agency enjoy immunity.  Congress can pull these agencies in hearings and they can continously stonewall claiming some sort of classification level or some endlessly on-going investigation, and there is nothing Congress can do, unless they defund the entire agency over it.  

Federal agencies are empowered to spy on anyone at anytime, freeze their accounts, raid their homes....and there is not a damn thing anyone can do unless the President himself comes to the rescue.  Good luck getting that.

It is absurd how much we have empowered these agencies and how there is no real constraints on what they can do.  Currently these abuses are targetter to Trump, pro-trump media, pro-trump supporters, and anti-establishment types.  So most people are OK.  The power structure is in place for totalitarianism, so with a flip of a switch all citizens can kiss what little remains of our constitutionally protected rights goodbye.  

Trump will make a dent into this corrupt power structure, but I doubt he will fix it.   He may even won't be able to resist the temptation to use it against those who have targetted him.  Biden has already taken this to a level we have never seen before.   He has spend vast resources targeting Trump, media, and protestors.   

Our country is not in a great place, but Trump at least offers some hope of putting some bandaids on....but our free society is on life-support.  

[Fnord 2,051]

18 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I never said every person in every institution is corrupt.  I have spent many years inside one of those three-letter institutions.   I know the people and I understand how and why these institutions are inheriently corrupt.   

The culture inside the institutions is one of strict compliance to numerous rules and regulations.   It Is a culture of not rocking the boat and going along with the nonsense.  The average worker is held to strict compliance standards and whistleblowing against leadershio can have severe consequences.

The problem is not the workers at the lower level or even the lower level leadership.   The problem is at the top and the structure of our institutions.   We created a country which had checks and balances between the Congress, the white house and the federal courts.  When we had a small government those checks and balances worked great.  

But what happened?  We created this army of bureaucracies inside the executive branch which has enormous powers over every individual and business in this country.  They can destroy anyone at anytime with millions of rules which they created that greatly expanded the actual laws that were passed legally by Congress. 

And the biggest problem is there is zero visibility or accountability.  A federal bureaucracy can target and abuse individual citizens and there is no recourse as the federal employee and agency enjoy immunity.  Congress can pull these agencies in hearings and they can continously stonewall claiming some sort of classification level or some endlessly on-going investigation, and there is nothing Congress can do, unless they defund the entire agency over it.  

Federal agencies are empowered to spy on anyone at anytime, freeze their accounts, raid their homes....and there is not a damn thing anyone can do unless the President himself comes to the rescue.  Good luck getting that.

It is absurd how much we have empowered these agencies and how there is no real constraints on what they can do.  Currently these abuses are targetter to Trump, pro-trump media, pro-trump supporters, and anti-establishment types.  So most people are OK.  The power structure is in place for totalitarianism, so with a flip of a switch all citizens can kiss what little remains of our constitutionally protected rights goodbye.  

Trump will make a dent into this corrupt power structure, but I doubt he will fix it.   He may even won't be able to resist the temptation to use it against those who have targetted him.  Biden has already taken this to a level we have never seen before.   He has spend vast resources targeting Trump, media, and protestors.   

Our country is not in a great place, but Trump at least offers some hope of putting some bandaids on....but our free society is on life-support.  

Longest post I've seen you make without the term 'bootlicker.' Nice.

I agree with much of what you say here. The reality is that we will never be able to walk that stuff back. Technology will not allow it. Yes, it sucks. But until folks delete their SM accounts, remove Alexa from their homes, throw away their smart phones, disconnect the GPS in their vehicles, start paying cash for everything, and deal with the massive inconveniences that those steps entail, nothing will get better. The government doesn't need to spy on citizens, we willingly tell corporations everything about us.

To the bolded: you can believe this to be fact, but that does not make it so. We aren't going to change each other's minds about it, but it is beyond absurd to me to think the Turnip won't go after his adversaries. He has shown the willingness to use every tool at his disposal to wield that power against his enemies, and now has even more freedom to do so thanks to numbskull decisions by USSC. Despite what you want to believe, there is nothing but circumstantial evidence that Biden has done the same. 

And if you want us to believe that you don't loathe everyone that doesn't feel exactly like you do about these issues, dial back the rhetoric. You make blanket statements regularly that undermine that position, and I have doubts about the veracity of your claims to the contrary. You come off as irrationally angry and hateful.

[jbycho 587]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Longest post I've seen you make without the term 'bootlicker.' Nice.

I agree with much of what you say here. The reality is that we will never be able to walk that stuff back. Technology will not allow it. Yes, it sucks. But until folks delete their SM accounts, remove Alexa from their homes, throw away their smart phones, disconnect the GPS in their vehicles, start paying cash for everything, and deal with the massive inconveniences that those steps entail, nothing will get better. The government doesn't need to spy on citizens, we willingly tell corporations everything about us.

To the bolded: you can believe this to be fact, but that does not make it so. We aren't going to change each other's minds about it, but it is beyond absurd to me to think the Turnip won't go after his adversaries. He has shown the willingness to use every tool at his disposal to wield that power against his enemies, and now has even more freedom to do so thanks to numbskull decisions by USSC. Despite what you want to believe, there is nothing but circumstantial evidence that Biden has done the same. 

And if you want us to believe that you don't loathe everyone that doesn't feel exactly like you do about these issues, dial back the rhetoric. You make blanket statements regularly that undermine that position, and I have doubts about the veracity of your claims to the contrary. You come off as irrationally angry and hateful.

That is a poor statement. Liberal Democrats are extremists. It's impossible for your average person to be somewhat liberal Democrat and somewhat conservative. 

You say dial back the rhetoric? No one in the world thinks the minor unrest at the capital in 2021 was an actual "insurrection". Yet that skirmish takes precedence in the minds of liberals over the 2020 violence? Yes it does in the mind of liberal Democrats. Now ask yourself why. 

Stop pretending to be a moderate. You have been exposed. 

[supermike80 1,803]

This is simple for me.  Liberals are feelings first.   That's not a terrible way to live but many times it defies what is logical.

[purdygood 334]

Just now, supermike80 said:

This is simple for me.  Liberals are feelings first.   That's not a terrible way to live but many times it defies what is logical.

May be true. But Conservatives are "whatever my Bible and my Orange Messiah tell me first" which also defies what is logical.

[Fnord 2,051]

5 minutes ago, jbycho said:

That is a poor statement. Liberal Democrats are extremists. It's impossible for your average person to be somewhat liberal Democrat and somewhat conservative. 

You say dial back the rhetoric? No one in the world thinks the minor unrest at the capital in 2021 was an actual "insurrection". Yet that skirmish takes precedence in the minds of liberals over the 2020 violence? Yes it does in the mind of liberal Democrats. Now ask yourself why. 

Stop pretending to be a moderate. You have been exposed. 

I haven't the slightest idea what point you're attempting to make. The first line has nothing to do with the conversation Jon and I were having, and it's also bs. Plenty of people are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. 

You can stuff the 1/6 and summer 2020 comps. Riots and destruction are bad. Attempting to disrupt the peaceful transition of power after a duly certified election via riots and destruction is treasonous. I don't expect you to get it, unless of course Democrats do the same thing next year if Trump gets elected. At which point it will be the worst thing that's ever happened to the country, and evidence that it's time to start rounding up libs for reeducation.

Can you share a quote where I've said I'm a moderate? I'm liberal. I hate the Democratic party. I don't like Harris or Biden. But that doesn't mean I won't vote for Harris when the other choice is the biggest POS in American politics, which is saying something.

Welcome to the Geek Club, new poster. 

[supermike80 1,803]

7 minutes ago, purdygood said:

May be true. But Conservatives are "whatever my Bible and my Orange Messiah tell me first" which also defies what is logical.

Yeah I don't even know that that means.  

[edjr 6,578]

On 10/14/2024 at 1:56 PM, IGotWorms said:

When is your manic phase over? Because these threads are pretty dumb 

Monday?

[RLLD 4,143]

Going back to the start. I think liberals can recognize patterns, but lack the wisdom to understand those patterns

[jonmx 2,424]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

 

To the bolded: you can believe this to be fact, but that does not make it so. We aren't going to change each other's minds about it, but it is beyond absurd to me to think the Turnip won't go after his adversaries. He has shown the willingness to use every tool at his disposal to wield that power against his enemies, and now has even more freedom to do so thanks to numbskull decisions by USSC. Despite what you want to believe, there is nothing but circumstantial evidence that Biden has done the same. 

I don't loath people who do not loath people who do not think as me, but I hate what they are unknowingly voting for.   A free society is what America brought to the world, but we are on the brink of losing that.  That is what I loath, and I don't understand why more people don't realize it.  That is what pisses me off.  It has nothing to do with the majority of people because they are clueless into how they are being manipulated and just how close we are to losing our freedoms.  

It is far more than circumstantial evidence.   There have been dozens of anti-stablishment journalist or content providers who have had their home raided under the direction of Merrick Garland.  The cases in New York against Trump all involve former Biden administrator lawyers.  The cases in Georgia has collusion with thr Biden White House.   Dozens of whistleblowers in the Hunter laptop investigstion have been retaliated against as well as several in the Jan. 6th investigation.   The reason for the obscene amount of resources hunting down grandmother's, nurses, police officers, lawyers, reporters, teachers for even the most trivial violations on Jan 6th was purely for political persecution and to put the fear of God into anyone who dares to protest the authoritarian state.  

If you really think Trump using legal means to try fight the results of the election even remotely compares to the tangible and numerous gross abuses of power that the Biden Administrstion infected upon thousands of American citizens, I would suggest you are grossly mistaken.   Today's media is nothing but a puppet for these authoritarians.  

[supermike80 1,803]

Oh and one more point.   I believe that liberals believe that human beings are fundamentally good people and will do what's right most of the time.  I think conservatives feel the opposite.  People will cheat, lie and steal from you if you let it happen.

Maybe thats a pessimistic view, but I've seen enough in my 57 years to believe humans are fundamentaly sh!ts.  yeah there are exceptions, but generally it's true.  Just my opinion however.

[OldMaid 2,129]

10 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Oh and one more point.   I believe that liberals believe that human beings are fundamentally good people and will do what's right most of the time.  I think conservatives feel the opposite.  People will cheat, lie and steal from you if you let it happen.

Maybe thats a pessimistic view, but I've seen enough in my 57 years to believe humans are fundamentaly sh!ts.  yeah there are exceptions, but generally it's true.  Just my opinion however.

Liberal here checking in- I absolutely think most people are human garbage. 

[jbycho 587]

22 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I haven't the slightest idea what point you're attempting to make. The first line has nothing to do with the conversation Jon and I were having, and it's also bs. Plenty of people are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. 

You can stuff the 1/6 and summer 2020 comps. Riots and destruction are bad. Attempting to disrupt the peaceful transition of power after a duly certified election via riots and destruction is treasonous. I don't expect you to get it, unless of course Democrats do the same thing next year if Trump gets elected. At which point it will be the worst thing that's ever happened to the country, and evidence that it's time to start rounding up libs for reeducation.

Can you share a quote where I've said I'm a moderate? I'm liberal. I hate the Democratic party. I don't like Harris or Biden. But that doesn't mean I won't vote for Harris when the other choice is the biggest POS in American politics, which is saying something.

Welcome to the Geek Club, new poster. 

Why respond with a 10,000 word essay then? Sounds like what I said hit a nerve on you. Just relax dude, I'm not trying to take your stuff.. 

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

29 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I haven't the slightest idea what point you're attempting to make. The first line has nothing to do with the conversation Jon and I were having, and it's also bs. Plenty of people are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. 

You can stuff the 1/6 and summer 2020 comps. Riots and destruction are bad. Attempting to disrupt the peaceful transition of power after a duly certified election via riots and destruction is treasonous. I don't expect you to get it, unless of course Democrats do the same thing next year if Trump gets elected. At which point it will be the worst thing that's ever happened to the country, and evidence that it's time to start rounding up libs for reeducation.

Can you share a quote where I've said I'm a moderate? I'm liberal. I hate the Democratic party. I don't like Harris or Biden. But that doesn't mean I won't vote for Harris when the other choice is the biggest POS in American politics, which is saying something.

Welcome to the Geek Club, new poster. 

I am socially liberal, or at least laizze faire, fiscally and constitutionally conservative, and I abhor the orthodoxies pressed by the woke left and the MAGA right.  There is no political home for a fella like me, at least not right now.

[supermike80 1,803]

9 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Liberal here checking in- I absolutely think most people are human garbage. 

LOL  Well we agree on that one!

[purdygood 334]

26 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yeah I don't even know that that means.  

Instead of using logic to make an original opinion on their own, Conservatives these days rely on whatever the Bible and Trump tell them to think.

[supermike80 1,803]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Instead of using logic to make an original opinion on their own, Conservatives these days rely on whatever the Bible and Trump tell them to think.

Better explanation, thank you.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

No one in the world thinks the minor unrest at the capital in 2021 was an actual "insurrection".

Do you honestly believe that what happened at the Capitol was just, "minor unrest?"

Why did those people go their?  What was their goal?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Oh and one more point.   I believe that liberals believe that human beings are fundamentally good people and will do what's right most of the time.  I think conservatives feel the opposite.  People will cheat, lie and steal from you if you let it happen.

Maybe thats a pessimistic view, but I've seen enough in my 57 years to believe humans are fundamentaly sh!ts.  yeah there are exceptions, but generally it's true.  Just my opinion however.

This is a pretty generalized description of the two that I agree with.

[The Real timschochet 6,411]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This is a pretty generalized description of the two that I agree with.

I agree as well, and FWIW I think most people are fundamentally good (even @supermike80!) 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am socially liberal, or at least laizze faire, fiscally and constitutionally conservative, and I abhor the orthodoxies pressed by the woke left and the MAGA right.  There is no political home for a fella like me, at least not right now.

You described how I feel politically.  I don't care for the left or the right all that much and I don't want to belong to either group.  I want people to enjoy their lives the way they want with little interference from our government as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.

[purdygood 334]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you honestly believe that what happened at the Capitol was just, "minor unrest?"

Why did those people go their?  What was their goal?

The only thing Minor about January 6th was the girl waiting in Matt Gaetz hotel room after.

[jbycho 587]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you honestly believe that what happened at the Capitol was just, "minor unrest?"

Why did those people go their?  What was their goal?

Yes I believe it.  They were not throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement, they were not weaponized, and killing people. They did not have an organized unified effort to take over the government, they were a very small group of idiots from a massive presence at the capital.

If you think those bozos and the old women who wandered into the building after federal agents opened the doors and stood down were actually trying to take over the nation, then game over, you are beyond help. 

[BrahmaBulls 628]

1 hour ago, purdygood said:

May be true. But Conservatives are "whatever my Bible and my Orange Messiah tell me first" which also defies what is logical.

This is your feelings lashing out.  If you said conservatives are whatever my bank account tells me then you would be way more accurate.  But you can't get Trump out of your head.

[squistion 1,947]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yes I believe it.  They were not throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement, they were not weaponized, and killing people. They did not have an organized unified effort to take over the government, they were a very small group of idiots from a massive presence at the capital.

If you think those bozos and the old women who wandered into the building after federal agents opened the doors and stood down were actually trying to take over the nation, then game over, you are beyond help. 

They were too weaponized and attacked Capitol police with a variety of weapons, see below list:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding "deadly or dangerous" weapons that weren't firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yes I believe it.  They were not throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement, they were not weaponizer, killing people. They did not have an organized unified effort to take over the government, they were a very small group of idiots from a massive presence at the capital.

If you think those bozos and the old women who wandered into the building after federal agents opened the doors and stood down were actually trying to take over the nation, then game over, you are beyond help. 

I think that day falls within this definition:  Insurrection - An act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Trump encouraged people to head to the Capitol and "Fight like hell" to prevent the certification of the election results.  People forced their way into a government building.  They were chanting to hang the VP.  Violence was used against police.

All of this is factual and was seen by everyone.  It was a shitstain on our country's history and one of our most embarrassing moments.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

They were too weaponized and attacked Capitol police with a variety of weapons, see below list:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding "deadly or dangerous" weapons that weren't firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray.

The police report showed there were a handful of people that were armed with a firearm as well.

[jerryskids 6,560]

1 hour ago, purdygood said:

Instead of using logic to make an original opinion on their own, Conservatives these days rely on whatever the Bible and Trump tell them to think.

Yeah, that's what we do.   

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yeah, that's what we do.   

 

There are way too many people that are accurately described by that though.  They are the extreme conservatives.

[jbycho 587]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

They were too weaponized and attacked Capitol police with a variety of weapons, see below list:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding "deadly or dangerous" weapons that weren't firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray.

Yeah, sure. There are 100s of cameras surrounding the capital. Show the video. 

Or just continue being  a lemming of the left I challenge you to show more violent activity at the fake insurrection than what I can pull up from the 2020 riots. 

And you know damn well the capital has cameras everywhere. So show it.

[supermike80 1,803]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that day falls within this definition:  Insurrection - An act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Trump encouraged people to head to the Capitol and "Fight like hell" to prevent the certification of the election results.  People forced their way into a government building.  They were chanting to hang the VP.  Violence was used against police.

All of this is factual and was seen by everyone.  It was a shitstain on our country's history and one of our most embarrassing moments.

One of the worst days as a conservative / republican for me.  For a couple reasons.  1) I in no way shape or form will ever stand by and justify those actions.  I feel, and have felt, that anyone that broke in, damaged property, etc...should be punished for it.  It was disgusting.   But even more so, 2) Until 1/6, the democrats were the party of violence.  Violent rhetoric, actions etc.....The GF riots, the looting, the violent protests....politicians like Maxine Waters, attacks at softball games.   1/6 flipped that narrative completely on it's head.  I still believe the left is worse..they tear down Trump signs, spit and assault republicans...But 1/6 so far overshadowed that it is hard to overcome. 

Terrible Day.

[jbycho 587]

You all don't think the Democrats would be deploying video after video of officers being tased and chopped by axes and bats and everything else if they could? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

You all don't think the Democrats would be deploying video after video of officers being tased and chopped by axes and bats and everything else if they could? 

What?

[jbycho 587]

I really think people in this country don't know what an insurrection is.

2020 was 10,000,000 times more an insurrection

Organized violence with weaponry. 

 

[jbycho 587]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What?

I don't expect you to understand. I didn't mean to infer you could process that. Get some rest.