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Again, you guys are funny. Freaked out when Michelle Obama wanted to make food healthier, but now you're all aboard. 

Do you really think a POTUS that is staunchly pro deregulation is going to just let RFK go nuts on this front? I'd love to see it, but would be shocked.

Just another example of partisan bias. A democrat suggests it, it's anti-American. A wacko silver spoon political legacy that sold himself to Trump proposes it, all good!

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25 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Just taking a swim in sewage overflow water in jeans 😂😂

That’s how you get brain worms. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s how you get brain worms. 

Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.  - 

Patches O'Houlihan / RFK / Michael Scott

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32 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.  - 

 

That sounds like mdc. You two in a club together? 

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5 minutes ago, jbycho said:

That sounds like mdc. You two in a club together? 

The only club i'm in is The Roxbury.. DJ hit that  "What Is Love"

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Just taking a swim in sewage overflow water in jeans 😂😂

This is a picture/story I would expect if I were watching a flashback episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia.  Frank would take Dee and I swimming all time time when we were kids...

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5 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Just taking a swim in sewage overflow water in jeans 😂😂

I was just about to post this. The creek has high levels of bacteria in it due to raw sewage spills. Took his grandkids in there. What a swell way to spend Mother's Day. Oh what will they do if the kids come down with life-threatening infections that an antibiotic shot could save them from?

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5 minutes ago, Tebok said:

I was just about to post this. The creek has high levels of bacteria in it due to raw sewage spills. Took his grandkids in there. What a swell way to spend Mother's Day. Oh what will they do if the kids come down with life-threatening infections that an antibiotic shot could save them from?

Swimming in blue jeans also an unusual add to the story 😂

 

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Swimming in blue jeans also an unusual add to the story 😂

 

Hope those precious grandkids have had their tetanus shots!

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There’s a national health crisis? 

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That’s some weak shitt. 

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11 hours ago, MDC said:

People using devices to monitor their activity can be effective way to improve health,

Only way this works is if the government pays for the device or better if insurance premiums are lowered if you achieve health benchmarks - like 5K steps for 80% of days in a year or something. 

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

People using devices to monitor their activity can be effective way to improve health,

Only way this works is if the government pays for the device or better if insurance premiums are lowered if you achieve health benchmarks - like 5K steps for 80% of days in a year or something. 

Correction, the only way it works is if we remove health care and force people to take care of themselves instead of being gluttoness slobs and expecting doctors and big pharma to come up with ways for them to stay unhealthy, as cheaply as possible. 

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8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Correction, the only way it works is if we remove health care and force people to take care of themselves instead of being gluttoness slobs and expecting doctors and big pharma to come up with ways for them to stay unhealthy, as cheaply as possible. 

That is another option. Good luck with that.

This using devices to help people be healthier idea won’t work unless people are incentivized to use them. Taking more steps or being aware of blood sugar levels does have benefit but people won’t do this without financial incentives.

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9 hours ago, thegeneral said:

That is another option. Good luck with that.

This using devices to help people be healthier idea won’t work unless people are incentivized to use them. Taking more steps or being aware of blood sugar levels does have benefit but people won’t do this without financial incentives.

If they want better healthcare and the best financial incentive there is, taking care of themselves is the answer.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If they want better healthcare and the best financial incentive there is, taking care of themselves is the answer.

Of course. But that isn’t happening. That is in part why government tries to come up with things like this idea from Wormbrain to get the population to be healthier.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea necessarily but people won’t do it without some incentive. 

I would add if a Dem proposed this it would go over like a fart in church.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Of course. But that isn’t happening. That is in part why government tries to come up with things like this idea from Wormbrain to get the population to be healthier.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea necessarily but people won’t do it without some incentive. 

I would add if a Dem proposed this it would go over like a fart in church.

The point is, those incentives aren't better, they're worse, and make things worse.  Instead of pandering to that, politicians across the board should be promoting healthier lifestyles and personal accountability.  They should all be promoting RFK's agenda to get chemicals out of food.

The only people who promote universal healthcare, promote "body positivity", promote big pharma, have only 1 person in mind, themselves.  They are the enemy of the people.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The point is, those incentives aren't better, they're worse, and make things worse.  Instead of pandering to that, politicians across the board should be promoting healthier lifestyles and personal accountability.  They should all be promoting RFK's agenda to get chemicals out of food.

The only people who promote universal healthcare, promote "body positivity", promote big pharma, have only 1 person in mind, themselves.  They are the enemy of the people.

This isn’t a this or that thing. You can do both. People should probably know that they should eat better, but they don’t. 

Incentivizing people finically to be healthier works and these health trackers give a tangible way to see that behavior. 

I don’t really know what the last paragraph is talking about. 

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9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This isn’t a this or that thing. You can do both. People should probably know that they should eat better, but they don’t. 

Incentivizing people finically to be healthier works and these health trackers give a tangible way to see that behavior. 

I don’t really know what the last paragraph is talking about. 

I'm speaking in terms of generalities.  You can incentivize anything you want, none of it will work because (as my last paragraph notes), too many people promote universal healthcare (which means no money out of their pocket to see a doctor), to allow them to keep living crappy lives (which makes taxes go up - then they complain about taxes... because how else is universal healthcare getting paid for).  Too many people promote that being fat is good (body positivity).  That again, incentivizes people to stay unhealthy.  A financial incentive won't trump emotional acceptance.  They'll still lead unhealthy lives.  People who promote the idea of medication, again, promotes the idea of "don't worry about it, they have pills to help you" (big pharma).  Politicians and lobbyists do that.  They don't care about people, just themselves.  They know that the healthy people are still going to make healthy decisions.  This initiative won't move the needle.

Politicians need to promote NO healthcare, only out-of-pocket expenses.  That's a person you should listen to and trust.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm speaking in terms of generalities.  You can incentivize anything you want, none of it will work because (as my last paragraph notes), too many people promote universal healthcare (which means no money out of their pocket to see a doctor), to allow them to keep living crappy lives (which makes taxes go up - then they complain about taxes... because how else is universal healthcare getting paid for).  Too many people promote that being fat is good (body positivity).  That again, incentivizes people to stay unhealthy.  A financial incentive won't trump emotional acceptance.  They'll still lead unhealthy lives.  People who promote the idea of medication, again, promotes the idea of "don't worry about it, they have pills to help you" (big pharma).  Politicians and lobbyists do that.  They don't care about people, just themselves.  They know that the healthy people are still going to make healthy decisions.  This initiative won't move the needle.

All of this may be true. Who knows. It seems like this is adding unnecessary complexity to an already difficult issue

if there is a goal to improve health of a country any small movement is going to be an improvement. Speaking to the idea of trying to get people to be more healthy with the use of step trackers to be healthier. My work did this years ago. No one used them. 

They then tied them and a handful of other things that healthy people typically do (get a physical, get teeth cleaned, etc) and if you do this your insurance premiums are lower. Suddenly everyone started doing it. I assume it’s working as it still is a program.

It was a pragmatic way to encourage good behavior. 

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16 hours ago, thegeneral said:

All of this may be true. Who knows. It seems like this is adding unnecessary complexity to an already difficult issue

if there is a goal to improve health of a country any small movement is going to be an improvement. Speaking to the idea of trying to get people to be more healthy with the use of step trackers to be healthier. My work did this years ago. No one used them. 

They then tied them and a handful of other things that healthy people typically do (get a physical, get teeth cleaned, etc) and if you do this your insurance premiums are lower. Suddenly everyone started doing it. I assume it’s working as it still is a program.

It was a pragmatic way to encourage good behavior. 

What it is, is a short term aid that will have very little to no positive impact.  The people who take advantage of these, incentives and encouragements, were already more health conscious than others to begin with.  The few people who sit back and think about changes they should make in their lives will start to take advantage of things like this.  Though, the vast majority will fall back to their old ways and the only outcome will be that a few rich people will get richer. 

What you're saying is a good idea, is something that addresses the results, but not the root of the problem.

Again, I don't have a problem with this.  The problem I have is that it doesn't address the root of the problem and this will only end up being a waste of money.  It's not because of their lack of trying, it's because our country is full of lazy, glutinous slobs who think they're entitled to things and we have politicians, media outlets, and big corporations pushing that mindset.

RFK's plan to remove chemicals from foods, is a great idea and should be implemented.  It's not complex.  This alone will have a substantially bigger positive gain than anything else.

Telling people to not be fat and that it's not acceptable, is not complex.

Telling people on government assistance that their tax payer funded bank accounts can't be used to buy junk food is not complex.

All of those things don't cost money.  It costs people a reality check.

These are all initiatives that make people healthier and it doesn't cost money.  None of them are complex.

Over time, people will become healthier.  It will get to a point where Healthcare will be mainly for catastrophic incidents and not and every day living.

No, none of these things are complex.  Complex is putting a band-aid on a major wound and paying for more band-aid's over and over again.

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41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What it is, is a short term aid that will have very little to no positive impact.  The people who take advantage of these, incentives and encouragements, were already more health conscious than others to begin with.  The few people who sit back and think about changes they should make in their lives will start to take advantage of things like this.  Though, the vast majority will fall back to their old ways and the only outcome will be that a few rich people will get richer. 

What you're saying is a good idea, is something that addresses the results, but not the root of the problem.

Again, I don't have a problem with this.  The problem I have is that it doesn't address the root of the problem and this will only end up being a waste of money.  It's not because of their lack of trying, it's because our country is full of lazy, glutinous slobs who think they're entitled to things and we have politicians, media outlets, and big corporations pushing that mindset.

RFK's plan to remove chemicals from foods, is a great idea and should be implemented.  It's not complex.  This alone will have a substantially bigger positive gain than anything else.

Telling people to not be fat and that it's not acceptable, is not complex.

Telling people on government assistance that their tax payer funded bank accounts can't be used to buy junk food is not complex.

All of those things don't cost money.  It costs people a reality check.

These are all initiatives that make people healthier and it doesn't cost money.  None of them are complex.

Over time, people will become healthier.  It will get to a point where Healthcare will be mainly for catastrophic incidents and not and every day living.

No, none of these things are complex.  Complex is putting a band-aid on a major wound and paying for more band-aid's over and over again.

I don’t agree with your assessment of programs geared towards incentivizing people to make healthy choices.

I agree that the government should work to make food healthier for us rather than cheap for corporations. 

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