Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@RaiderHaters Revenge’ boy issuing threats now

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1856814964800958962
 

 

Good for him. He has the money to help primary anyone who votes against the will of the people 

[HellToupee 1,775]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Good for him. He has the money to help primary anyone who votes against the will of the people 

I bet Elon will throw a few bucks in too

[thegeneral 3,209]

29 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Good for him. He has the money to help primary anyone who votes against the will of the people 

Google says this guy’s net worth is 5 mil. 

[Fnord 2,265]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

When I get confused I listen to the music play.

 

 

 

Thank you for this, I appreciate the thought! You're good people, EG.

Unfortunately, though I appreciate their place in rock history, have many Deadhead friends, and continue to be a drug enthusiast, listening to the Grateful Dead makes me want to punch things. Like brick walls, babies, puppies, pregnant women... I focking hate the Dead. I'd rather listen to the Eagles, and I hate them, too.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Google says this guy’s net worth is 5 mil. 

lol, ok, google knows all

I guarantee his net worth is way more than that

 

[jerryskids 6,797]

51 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@RaiderHaters Revenge’ boy issuing threats now

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1856814964800958962
 

 

Reading that thread, I'm getting an uneasy feeling that there are folks on the far right who are beginning to behave like the wokies on the far left, trying to strongarm minority opinions through.

I would hope that the (secret) voting to elect Thune to Senate Majority Leader would send a message to these folks that the majority of people don't want to go scorched earth here.  I guess we'll see. 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Reading that thread, I'm getting an uneasy feeling that there are folks on the far right who are beginning to behave like the wokies on the far left, trying to strongarm minority opinions through.

I would hope that the (secret) voting to elect Thune to Senate Majority Leader would send a message to these folks that the majority of people don't want to go scorched earth here.  I guess we'll see. 

 

im of the opinion the senate is not the majority of the people, they vote with their own best interests only

 

[thegeneral 3,209]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

lol, ok, google knows all

I guarantee his net worth is way more than that

 

I have never heard of him. Even if it’s triple that his money isn’t doing shet. Maybe his podcast audience. 

[jerryskids 6,797]

I often pimp The Free Press here, and I will again:  Bari Weiss has a fascinating interview with Peter Thiel (conservative gay silicon valley bazillionaire, pushed Trump through in 2016, largely stayed out of it this year).

https://www.thefp.com/p/peter-thiel-honestly-trump-jd-vance

It's almost 2 hours long and worth the time, but I want to highlight the discussion of tariffs for @The Real timschochet and others, which starts around the 55 minute mark.  He makes a few interesting points:

- The theory of free trade popularized centuries ago presumed that the big-picture cost of manufacturing (including say, labor) was equal between the parties, and that the parties would reach a trade equilibrium.  The fact that we have such a trade deficit with China shows that this theory is not working in this relationship.

- There is a mistaken belief that trade between us and China is a two-way, net zero sum game.  That is, if we raise the price of an iPhone made in China, that price gets passed directly to American consumers.  But that's not how a global economy works in the long term.  Instead, Apple moves its manufacturing to, say, Vietnam (his example).  Yes, Vietnam is a POS country, but they pose no thread to us, whereas China has plans of global dominance and provides something of an existential threat.  So, in this model, if the tariffs are imposed, China suffers greatly, Vietnam (and others) benefit greatly, and the US maybe sees a marginal negative, certainly in the short term.

- Although Thiel didn't use this word, he talked about how it might be brinkmanship.  Given the above, there is incentive for China to come to the table and meet somewhere in the middle.

 

[Fnord 2,265]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Reading that thread, I'm getting an uneasy feeling that there are folks on the far right who are beginning to behave like the wokies on the far left, trying to strongarm minority opinions through.

I would hope that the (secret) voting to elect Thune to Senate Majority Leader would send a message to these folks that the majority of people don't want to go scorched earth here.  I guess we'll see. 

 

We ain't seen nothing yet.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

When I think back on the times in my life that I was forced to endure listening to the Grateful Dead, I wish I could go back in time and destroy whatever it was being played on and start throwing punches at those asssholes. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Reading that thread, I'm getting an uneasy feeling that there are folks on the far right who are beginning to behave like the wokies on the far left, trying to strongarm minority opinions through.

I would hope that the (secret) voting to elect Thune to Senate Majority Leader would send a message to these folks that the majority of people don't want to go scorched earth here.  I guess we'll see. 

 

I think they were always there- people just didn't want to see it

[Fnord 2,265]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I often pimp The Free Press here, and I will again:  Bari Weiss has a fascinating interview with Peter Thiel (conservative gay silicon valley bazillionaire, pushed Trump through in 2016, largely stayed out of it this year).

https://www.thefp.com/p/peter-thiel-honestly-trump-jd-vance

It's almost 2 hours long and worth the time, but I want to highlight the discussion of tariffs for @The Real timschochet and others, which starts around the 55 minute mark.  He makes a few interesting points:

- The theory of free trade popularized centuries ago presumed that the big-picture cost of manufacturing (including say, labor) was equal between the parties, and that the parties would reach a trade equilibrium.  The fact that we have such a trade deficit with China shows that this theory is not working in this relationship.

- There is a mistaken belief that trade between us and China is a two-way, net zero sum game.  That is, if we raise the price of an iPhone made in China, that price gets passed directly to American consumers.  But that's not how a global economy works in the long term.  Instead, Apple moves its manufacturing to, say, Vietnam (his example).  Yes, Vietnam is a POS country, but they pose no thread to us, whereas China has plans of global dominance and provides something of an existential threat.  So, in this model, if the tariffs are imposed, China suffers greatly, Vietnam (and others) benefit greatly, and the US maybe sees a marginal negative, certainly in the short term.

- Although Thiel didn't use this word, he talked about how it might be brinkmanship.  Given the above, there is incentive for China to come to the table and meet somewhere in the middle.

 

Re: the bolded. Do you think mentoring JD Vance constitutes "staying out of it?" I tend to disagree. But I do appreciate you and this thread, and this link. 

[Fnord 2,265]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When I think back on the times in my life that I was forced to endure listening to the Grateful Dead, I wish I could go back in time and destroy whatever it was being played on and start throwing punches at those asssholes. 

Sometimes in my weakest moments I think that spending a night getting fuct up and listening to music with you might be fun. But only if your mouth was sewn shut.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

Just now, Fnord said:

Sometimes in my weakest moments I think that spending a night getting fuct up and listening to music with you might be fun. But only if your mouth was sewn shut.

I’m also unhappy with people that made me listen to the Footloose soundtrack in 1984. 

[TimHauck 2,870]

19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I have never heard of him. Even if it’s triple that his money isn’t doing shet. Maybe his podcast audience. 

Yes I assumed his statement was more referring to his influence, not necessarily his money.  But I’m sure he has more than $5 mil.  He was getting paid $100k a week by a Russian-funded company to make videos getting a few thousand views.  I’m sure he makes much more from his actual YT channel.

[Fnord 2,265]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m also unhappy with people that made me listen to the Footloose soundtrack in 1984. 

Well, you were what, 50 when that came out? I get it. Those of us that were young in '84 loved it.

But, 40 years later, I'd be okay never hearing any of it again. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

23 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I have never heard of him. Even if it’s triple that his money isn’t doing shet. Maybe his podcast audience. 

He makes over a mil a month from his subscribers alone. He has multiple companies and streams of income 

[thegeneral 3,209]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

He makes over a mil a month from his subscribers alone. He has multiple companies and streams of income 

Well I’ll be. Even if accurate that’s still chump change, his audience is more valuable if he has a large one.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

These tears are wonderful. Keep em coming 

[thegeneral 3,209]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

These tears are wonderful. Keep em coming 

Derp

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Thank you for this, I appreciate the thought! You're good people, EG.

Unfortunately, though I appreciate their place in rock history, have many Deadhead friends, and continue to be a drug enthusiast, listening to the Grateful Dead makes me want to punch things. Like brick walls, babies, puppies, pregnant women... I focking hate the Dead. I'd rather listen to the Eagles, and I hate them, too.

Not puppies!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Well I’ll be. Even if accurate that’s still chump change, his audience is more valuable if he has a large one.

2-3 million subs on YouTube. hes also a simple dude. Money doesn’t mean sh1t to him 

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Re: the bolded. Do you think mentoring JD Vance constitutes "staying out of it?" I tend to disagree. But I do appreciate you and this thread, and this link. 

Thiel talks about Vance, meeting him and being impressed.  He also makes a general comment about liking people that can get through Leftist echo chambers like Yale and still maintain conservative values.

As for the mentoring, I think that was more leading up to Vance's Senate race in 2022.  He specifically said he wasn't directly involved in the Trump campaign this year.

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

I think they were always there- people just didn't want to see it

Well... IMO they weren't in power, so I'm not sure what people would have missed "seeing".   

[Mike Honcho 5,270]

Here you go, doubt many will watch.
 

 

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

im of the opinion the senate is not the majority of the people, they vote with their own best interests only

 

Eh, maybe.  I feel lucky that by and large we've had good senators here in AZ.  For the longest time it was McCain and John Kyl, two fantastic ones.  Kyrsten Sinema, while nominally a democrat, basically committed political suicide by being true to her values and what she thought best for the great state of AZ.  She has my deep respect.  Mark Kelly, a little too liberal for my taste, but also seems like a generally upstanding person.

I don't feel like my Senate representation has historically voted just to maintain their deep statedness.

The only bad one was Jeff Flake.  He can chug a gallon of razor blades for all I care.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well... IMO they weren't in power, so I'm not sure what people would have missed "seeing".   

It isn't about power to me. It is a matter of- whoever is in charge will try to bully through their opinions. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Eh, maybe.  I feel lucky that by and large we've had good senators here in AZ.  For the longest time it was McCain and John Kyl, two fantastic ones.  Kyrsten Sinema, while nominally a democrat, basically committed political suicide by being true to her values and what she thought best for the great state of AZ.  She has my deep respect.  Mark Kelly, a little too liberal for my taste, but also seems like a generally upstanding person.

I don't feel like my Senate representation has historically voted just to maintain their deep statedness.

The only bad one was Jeff Flake.  He can chug a gallon of razor blades for all I care.

And as a Cali guy. You know why I have senators 

[jbycho 754]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It isn't about power to me. It is a matter of- whoever is in charge will try to bully through their opinions. 

Trump doesn't need to "try". He owns you now and will never relinquish his POWER!!! 

You said so yourself. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

52 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

2-3 million subs on YouTube. hes also a simple dude. Money doesn’t mean sh1t to him 

That’s good I assume. No clue. Just pointing out his money isn’t that big of a deal. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

Thanks @jerryskids when I have time I will watch the whole interview. But two problems with your summary immediately come to mind: 

1. In the entire history of tariffs so far as I know, they have never been used successfully as a means to get other nations to lower their tariffs. In fact is always the opposite: once it starts it forces other nations to increase theirs as both retaliation and a means to try and make up the lost income. See both Smoot/Harley and the British Empire around 1900. 

2. I’ve listened quite a bit to Donald Trump on this subject. I’m almost 100% convinced this is not brinksmanship. He’s been in favor of tariffs since the early 1980s when he wanted them placed on Japan. For him this is a core principle (or as close as he has ever had one of those). Tariffs are not a means to an end; they are the end. He honestly believes that they will create great prosperity and wealth for this country. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

32 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Here you go, doubt many will watch.
 

 

13 seconds. Anyone beat that?

[thegeneral 3,209]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

13 seconds. Anyone beat that?

Two pump chump!

[TimHauck 2,870]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

2-3 million subs on YouTube. hes also a simple dude. Money doesn’t mean sh1t to him 

Is that why he lives on a compound?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Is that why he lives on a compound?

 

yes he moved to West Virginia where he could build a studio a farm house a farm and have places for all of his employees  

you literally know zero about him 

[TimHauck 2,870]

24 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

yes he moved to West Virginia where he could build a studio a farm house a farm and have places for all of his employees  

you literally know zero about him 

I know he lives on a compound and got paid by a company funded by the Russian government 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I know he lives on a compound and got paid by a company funded by the Russian government 

You know absolutely nothing. He sold the rights to rebroadcast his culture wars show to tenet media. That’s all. But keep running with some nonsense irrelevant thing 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks @jerryskids when I have time I will watch the whole interview. But two problems with your summary immediately come to mind: 

1. In the entire history of tariffs so far as I know, they have never been used successfully as a means to get other nations to lower their tariffs. In fact is always the opposite: once it starts it forces other nations to increase theirs as both retaliation and a means to try and make up the lost income. See both Smoot/Harley and the British Empire around 1900. 

2. I’ve listened quite a bit to Donald Trump on this subject. I’m almost 100% convinced this is not brinksmanship. He’s been in favor of tariffs since the early 1980s when he wanted them placed on Japan. For him this is a core principle (or as close as he has ever had one of those). Tariffs are not a means to an end; they are the end. He honestly believes that they will create great prosperity and wealth for this country. 

The nonstandard unit of length attributed to Oliver Smoot, and a Harley Davidson?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

It sounds like Raiders is stalking Tim Pool. Or maybe he is Tim Pool?

Seriously though- it is clear why Raiders likes him so much. Pool is an alt-right weirdo who positions himself as a disillusioned centrist who occasionally nods to left positions because it passes for authenticity. Sounds familiar to someone we know here who has a Drexel Dragons avatar.