So Babbit Was Murdered After All...

[5-Points 3,862]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I mean, I believe there are still some states that don't have full castle doctrine and still incorporate a duty to retreat first, if possible. 

but also, whose house was this?

Yes, California is one of them. 

Also, it was "The Peoples House" so Ashli had every right to be there. 

[thegeneral 3,801]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Now you sound like you are getting triggered, when I specifically said that I do not follow this closely or let it consume me and that I had legitimate questions. I had no idea she committed any violent acts or that most of the rioters committed any violent acts. I don't believe breaking and entering / property damage is considered a violent crime. 

A majority of your linked press release is just a breakdown of what occurred on that day. I don't disagree with any of it (like I said, never should have happened) and I would say the way it is laid out would indeed make me wonder why a gun was fired. 

the closing statement of the release simply says "no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242".... it does not explain how or why they came to that conclusion. Which I wouldn't expect a press release to do. So I really can't say if I agree with their findings or reasoning 

Triggered. Oh ok.

The report I linked quickly summarizes what occurred and why the officer wasn’t charged. Specifically “Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law”

You not knowing what happened is a you problem here, in the amount of time you have responded you could have read up a bit and watched multiple camera angles of the shooting.

Watch the videos, it played out as I described. After that if you think that the officer committed murder or should be charged, well I think that is nuts.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

It’s funny. Shitlib Tim Hack wants to dismiss everything about one cop because he was doing deeds with a prostitute, but he has no qualms accepting everything Byrd says, despite his many, many, issues as a police officer. 

[WhiteWonder 3,041]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Triggered. Oh ok.

The report I linked quickly summarizes what occurred and why the officer wasn’t charged. Specifically “Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law”

You not knowing what happened is a you problem here, in the amount of time you have responded you could have read up a bit and watched multiple camera angles of the shooting.

Watch the videos, it played out as I described. After that if you think that the officer committed murder or should be charged, well I think that is nuts.

Both you and Tim are assuming I have not seen any video. Just because I don't let Jan 6 consume and have some questions about it doesn't mean i've never seen video or read anything.

I am glad you are able to see that your link is a quick summary of what and why but not HOW they came to their conclusion, like I stated.  Again, I am not saying I would agree or disagree, I am saying a press release is usually not enough for you to link and say "what do you disagree with", as they are not often very specific. 

Yes, I say triggered because it sounds like you are getting agitated with the fact that I have questions or the fact that my personal feeling is that no one needed to be shot. Kind of telling that no one else was shot on Jan 6th, no? 

[5-Points 3,862]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s funny. Shitlib Tim Hack wants to dismiss everything about one cop because he was doing deeds with a prostitute, but he has no qualms accepting everything Byrd says, despite his many, many, issues as a police officer. 

If Derrick Chauvin had left his service weapon in a public bathroom, he and the rest of the apologists here, would have been screaming to the sky that he shouldn't have even been on the job that day. 

They're a joke. 

[WhiteWonder 3,041]

I also see a lot of people posting in this topic who I would bet had no issues with things like the BLM protests which, while largely peaceful, had their fair share of destructive incidents that involved breaking into businesses, property destruction, looting, arson, etc. 

Would it have been okay to shoot and kill any of those rioters? (I say no and I bet they do too) A business is someone's place of livelihood... if they were inside and rioters broke in... okay to kill?  I was just given a comparison to my place of work being broken into, so 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

Byrd failed a background check to buy a weapon. 

[TimHauck 3,516]

41 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

A business is someone's place of livelihood... if they were inside and rioters broke in... okay to kill? 

Yes.  Especially if the business owner gave several verbal warnings with the gun visible.

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Both you and Tim are assuming I have not seen any video. Just because I don't let Jan 6 consume and have some questions about it doesn't mean i've never seen video or read anything.

I am glad you are able to see that your link is a quick summary of what and why but not HOW they came to their conclusion, like I stated.  Again, I am not saying I would agree or disagree, I am saying a press release is usually not enough for you to link and say "what do you disagree with", as they are not often very specific. 

Yes, I say triggered because it sounds like you are getting agitated with the fact that I have questions or the fact that my personal feeling is that no one needed to be shot. Kind of telling that no one else was shot on Jan 6th, no? 

 

I sent you a brief recap because you haven’t been bothered up to this point to spend time getting your questions answered. The press release concisely explained the situation and why the guy wasn’t charged. Did it not explain why he was not charged to you?

I’m not agitated or triggered . You can think whatever you like. This lady was deluded and it cost her life.  You have said you did not follow this closely. 

It is wild no one else was shot. Guns were drawn in the other barricaded entrances to the room this cop was protecting but those people weren’t crazy enough to enter. 

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I also see a lot of people posting in this topic who I would bet had no issues with things like the BLM protests which, while largely peaceful, had their fair share of destructive incidents that involved breaking into businesses, property destruction, looting, arson, etc. 

Would it have been okay to shoot and kill any of those rioters? (I say no and I bet they do too) A business is someone's place of livelihood... if they were inside and rioters broke in... okay to kill?  I was just given a comparison to my place of work being broken into, so 

Yes I would have no issue if a rioter were to be shot If they break into a business, then break down doors that are barricaded inside the building where a person with a gun yelling “stop” happens to be.

[TimHauck 3,516]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yes I would have no issue if a rioter were to be shot If they break into a business, then break down doors that are barricaded inside the building where a person with a gun yelling “stop” happens to be.

Yup.  And neither would anyone here if the breaker-inner was black.

[WhiteWonder 3,041]

Support the cop, defund the police… lack of consistency is funny on both sides 

however I’m still not seeing where gun fire was warranted. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

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Absolutely disgusting 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

On 11/26/2024 at 11:44 AM, MDC said:

An internal USCP investigation completed in August 2021 determined that then-Lieutenant Byrd’s conduct was “lawful and within Department policy.” As a result, the department concluded that Byrd would not face any internal discipline for the officer involved shooting.

“[An] officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer’s own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury,” USCP policy says.

“The actions of the officer in this case potentially saved Members and staff from serious injury and possible death from a large crowd of rioters who forced their way into the U.S. Capitol and to the House Chamber where Members and staff were steps away,” USCP determined, concluding that Byrd’s actions were justified.

Well well

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

On 5/5/2025 at 5:47 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Byrd failed a background check to buy a weapon. 

Standards! 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:56 PM, thegeneral said:

Cops always get the benefit of the doubt due to their job. This shooting absolutely meets benefit of the doubt.

It blows my mind how this is controversial.

Ha! 

[thegeneral 3,801]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ha! 

That is 100% accurate. Do you disagree?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

On 11/25/2024 at 6:13 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Unbelievable.  This cop is no hero and yet the MSM took the side of the loose-cannon cop where in ALL other instances have taken the side of the victim (i.e. george floyd, etc...):

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/officer-who-fatally-shot-j6-protestor-ashley-babbitt-has-lengthy-disciplinary-record/jtnews/2024/11/21/

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/11/21/report-the-officer-who-killed-ashli-babbitt-had-a-long-history-of-disciplinary-and-training-problems/comment-page-1/

The incidents described in Loudermilk’s letter are corroborated by congressional records and police reports that date as early as 2004 including:

• A 2004 incident where Byrd, who was off duty, fired his weapon at a stolen vehicle as it was fleeing his residential neighborhood;
• A 2015 “conduct unbecoming an officer” complaint filed by a fellow officer after Byrd, again off duty, confronted him while the officer was working at a high school football game in an incident with racial overtones;
• A 33-day suspension in 2019 after Byrd left his service weapon unattended in a public Capitol Hill bathroom;
• A failure to pass a routine background check shortly after Jan. 6 when attempting to purchase a shotgun for home protection, after the USCP worked to provide Byrd a department-issued shotgun instead, he failed the training; and
• Three further referrals to the Capitol Police Office of Professional Responsibility for which records are reportedly missing.

This guy shouldn't have been on the force, much less been there to shoot someone opening a window.  

The ICE agent shouldn’t have been on the street because he was attacked with a vehicle prior,  but this guy gets a medal. Libtards. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

That is 100% accurate. Do you disagree?

Yeah, looks like he’s getting it. 

[MDC 8,215]

Well look at that: I said the Ice agent in Minneapolis reasonably felt threatened and gets the benefit of the doubt.

At least HT got my attention. Sort of a consolation prize to go with his latest L.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Well look at that: I said the Ice agent in Minneapolis reasonably felt threatened and gets the benefit of the doubt.

At least HT got my attention. Sort of a consolation prize to go with his latest L.  

Why are you taking it personal? I was just quoting the results of the investigation.  It’s not always about you, fool.  W

[thegeneral 3,801]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, looks like he’s getting it. 

Personally, gave this to the DC cop and this ICE cop as well. With the info we have on ICE cop I wouldn’t charge him.

With this DC cop it was a ridiculous joke people were saying he was a murderer.

[MDC 8,215]

By MAGA logic the capital police should’ve rained gun fire down on the sour grapes parade.  

[FrancieFootball 344]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

By MAGA logic the capital police should’ve rained gun fire down on the sour grapes parade.  

Yep.

1.) Didn't follow instructions.

2.) Assaulted police and made them use deadly force.

The Lennies can STFU about Ashli Babbit.

[MDC 8,215]

Anybody else see HT post that you need premeditation for murder? He must have realized how dumb that was and deleted it quick. lol

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

Just now, MDC said:

Anybody else see HT post that you need premeditation for murder? He must have realized how dumb that was and deleted it quick. lol

You do. Wow. 

[thegeneral 3,801]

It is wild reading through this thread

[MDC 8,215]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It is wild reading through this thread

Any clear front runner for the MAGA Award for Excellence in Delayed Self Ownage?  

[thegeneral 3,801]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Any clear front runner for the MAGA Award for Excellence in Delayed Self Ownage?  

Kind of the usuals. I forgot about the EternallyChrome guy and Jonmx hasn’t posted in awhile. 

[FrancieFootball 344]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Anybody else see HT post that you need premeditation for murder? He must have realized how dumb that was and deleted it quick. lol

MAGA:

A crazy beyatch who ignored police orders and violently tries to fight through police to kill U.S. elected officials who are doing their democratic duty after a fair-and-square election that made the Lennies and their cult leader butthurt. - HERO.

A terrified young mother of three in an SUV trying to make a two-point turn to escape a testosterone-saturated, undertrained, power-drunk goon clawing at her door, and she doesn't see another goon not following proper police procedures and stepping in front her vehicle before going all Frank Reynolds blasting on her. - TERRORIST.

This pretty much sums up Lennies.

[thegeneral 3,801]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Anybody else see HT post that you need premeditation for murder? He must have realized how dumb that was and deleted it quick. lol

I do have a notification from a reply from HT but it doesn’t take me to anything

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

I went to edit my post and deleted it by accident. BFD. Poor MDC. 

[FrancieFootball 344]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I went to edit my post and deleted it by accident. BFD. Poor MDC. 

I got busted deleting a post and am now scrambling to save face.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,181]

All The post basically said is you need pre meditation for a murder charge and neither Byrd nor the ice agent set out to kill anyone. Happy now? 

[FrancieFootball 344]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All The post basically said is you need pre meditation for a murder charge and neither Byrd nor the ice agent set out to kill anyone. Happy now? 

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[thegeneral 3,801]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All The post basically said is you need pre meditation for a murder charge and neither Byrd nor the ice agent set out to kill anyone. Happy now? 

It’s pretty much impossible to prove. Additionally cops are given an objectively reasonable use of force defense. 

Still very early in the Minn shooting case. But outside of him having a manifesto somewhere he’s not going to jail.

This thread was like 10 months after the Ashley Babbitt shooting with access to all the info out there and there’s people calling it murder. Sad.

[Sean Mooney 2,086]

Babbit met the principle of FAFO

[Sean Mooney 2,086]

Maybe the Grim Reaper will edit their mistake and take a second pass

[MDC 8,215]

HT = Premeditated Moron.  

[TimHauck 3,516]

Anyone who thinks the ICE agent in Minneapolis was justified but Byrd wasn’t is not a serious person.