The Nomination Questioning Of Hegseth

[Herbivore 1,125]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Remember when Obama said elections have consequences when people complained?   Yeah, lets go ahead and use that now.

what is happening that doesn't typically happen?

[TrailGuy 554]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Remember when Obama said elections have consequences when people complained?   Yeah, lets go ahead and use that now.

It was wrong when Obama said it. It's wrong when you say it boyo.

[RLLD 4,207]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

what is happening that doesn't typically happen?

I dont understand the question

[RLLD 4,207]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

It was wrong when Obama said it. It's wrong when you say it boyo.

Oh, well, then you and I will have to agree to disagree on what is right and wrong.

[avoiding injuries 1,574]

Since we all can agree that Hegseth won the day, who was the biggest loser? Kaine, Warren, Hirono or Crocket?

[Herbivore 1,125]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I dont understand the question

you said remember elections have consequences, remember that now. what is happening now that is not being remembered? and by who?

[Herbivore 1,125]

22 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Since we all can agree that Hegseth won the day, who was the biggest loser? Kaine, Warren, Hirono or Crocket?

probably his current wife

[RLLD 4,207]

2 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you said remember elections have consequences, remember that now. what is happening now that is not being remembered? and by who?

Uhmmm, you just made your question even less clear, I have no idea what you are asking

[Herbivore 1,125]

33 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Remember when Obama said elections have consequences when people complained?   Yeah, lets go ahead and use that now.

you wrote the above, which i took as suggesting that something is happening now that doesn't typically happen.

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Uhmmm, you just made your question even less clear, I have no idea what you are asking

I guess you could share more of what you mean in your first comment.

[TrailGuy 554]

13 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

probably his current wife

Or the kid whose name he forgot

[Engorgeous George 2,318]

I have observed in many bureaucracies underlings believing they know more about how business should be conducted than those in charge, even than those who invented the business or enterprise.  Street Cops who  think they know more about policing than their Chiefs, football playeres and fans who think they know more than their GM's,  Janitors who want to tell you how their companies ought to be run .Hegseth is one of those.

 

Now I happen to agree with him that the mission of the military is defense, not social engineering, but I have my doubt that he truly understands and appreciates the scope of his desired role.  As for his personal shortcomings, I am not impressed, but I don't find those particularly relevant as most of us have personal shortcomings.

 

His education is not unimpressive and his service is appreciated.  As I said in the thread when his nomination was first announced he might be more appropriately qualified for a role at the V.A.  I think his qualifications for Sec of Defense are a bit light, but I understand a president valuing loyalty.  I hope Hegseth rises to the occassion.  I hope he is a fast learner.

 

Me, I am naturally suspicious of any man who frosts his hair. Hegseth, Newsom, I don't trust those types.  Shallow, I know, but I simply do not trust them.

[avoiding injuries 1,574]

11 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Or the kid whose name he forgot

Or the women, gays and trannies in the military. 

[Engorgeous George 2,318]

I do laugh at those female Senators who take, as a matter of faith, that women are the equal of men in physical tasks.  It simply and demonstrably is not true.  A few exceptional females may be the physical equivilent of a few unexceptional or even unrepresentative males, but females are generally not capable in infantry units tr special forces.  Can they effectively serve in combat in other roles, as pilots, as weapons officers on ships, as drone operators, sure, but there are limits.

[RLLD 4,207]

28 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you wrote the above, which i took as suggesting that something is happening now that doesn't typically happen.

I guess you could share more of what you mean in your first comment.

Oh, well, the poster with whom I was interacting was lamenting that Hegseth was being confirmed, I recall when those on the right were lamenting what Obama was doing and his response was.....elections have consequences.....so we can thank him for showing us how to best deal with objections.

[jerryskids 6,761]

8 hours ago, Herbivore said:

Maybe Hegseth can be the sec of transportation. I posted earlier, it's funny that righties don't have an issue w Hegseths Vet Org work, getting bounced for financial mismgmt. Any concern from you?

Honestly, I haven't been following that closely. What has the MSDNC been telling you? I know he partied at a conference so @thegeneralhas fully embraced the "drunk" dehumanizing label. He seemed quite sober yesterday. 

[HellToupee 1,746]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

Hegseth didn't know what countries are in ASEAN!

was he wearing his metal helmet?

Asean is a political & economic union of countries . He’s not going to be an ambassador in that region. It was all a showboating gotcha move that was meaningless 

 

relax boyo

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,074]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol this isn’t true. Hegseth looked like a buffoon. But he’s the buffoon Trump wants so I can’t think of a reason to reject him. 
I think half of Trump’s picks, or more, are completely idiotic. But let him have them. 

Nice revisionist history, Tim!  This is the same thing your gal pal Squiztard does too:  Pretend things happened that didn't really happen, rewrite it to make it sound like they did happen and then lament against that.  All of that to avoid facing the truth that your liberal world view is a complete failure.

It's almost like you didn't watch the hearing at all. 

[thegeneral 3,147]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Honestly, I haven't been following that closely. What has the MSDNC been telling you? I know he partied at a conference so @thegeneralhas fully embraced the "drunk" dehumanizing label. He seemed quite sober yesterday. 

He wasn’t drunk yesterday!  I’m sorry the nicknames  dehumanized him for you.

You could watch any network or read a bit and get caught up. 

[Herbivore 1,125]

31 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh, well, the poster with whom I was interacting was lamenting that Hegseth was being confirmed, I recall when those on the right were lamenting what Obama was doing and his response was.....elections have consequences.....so we can thank him for showing us how to best deal with objections.

elections have consequences. don't we all know this? the losing side here gets to complain and point out the shortcomings of nominees. sometimes those people get voted down by other people that have won elections. and the next Pres will deal w the same. nothing new, not Obamas fault.

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

18 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Tammy Duckworth got her pound of flesh holy smokes

She was prepared today. 

https://x.com/abcpolitics/status/1879229932582183028?s=46&t=0YXe9oUqqYEnHOHU8BsZkQ

The right response to this would have been to laugh at her.  Then when she asks why, he says, "I just think it's funny that you sit there with an air of superiority questioning me about $14M when you've misplaced or overspent almost $3T in the last 20 years".

[RLLD 4,207]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

elections have consequences. don't we all know this? the losing side here gets to complain and point out the shortcomings of nominees. sometimes those people get voted down by other people that have won elections. and the next Pres will deal w the same. nothing new, not Obamas fault.

No one is blaming Obama for anything, quite the contrary, he is being held up for the standard he projected, using his words is indicative of their value.

[thegeneral 3,147]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The right response to this would have been to laugh at her.  Then when she asks why, he says, "I just think it's funny that you sit there with an air of superiority questioning me about $14M when you've misplaced or overspent almost $3T in the last 20 years".

He couldn’t run a 6 million dollar charity org without running it into the ground. Probably best for him to smile and sit that line of questioning out like the did

[Herbivore 1,125]

38 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Honestly, I haven't been following that closely. What has the MSDNC been telling you? I know he partied at a conference so @thegeneralhas fully embraced the "drunk" dehumanizing label. He seemed quite sober yesterday. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-hegseth-concerned-veterans-for-america-jessie-jane-duff/

[thegeneral 3,147]

1 hour ago, avoiding injuries said:

Since we all can agree that Hegseth won the day, who was the biggest loser? Kaine, Warren, Hirono or Crocket?

I’d say Tim Kaine’s line was kind of weak. Don’t see Warren or. Rocket. Hirono’s was fine. 

The morning TV show guy gets to head DoD. Yeah Trump’s America!!

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He couldn’t run a 6 million dollar charity org without running it into the ground. Probably best for him to smile and sit that line of questioning out like the did

She misspent $2.7T in tax payer money.  Probably best she just not go down that path.  

[Herbivore 1,125]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No one is blaming Obama for anything, quite the contrary, he is being held up for the standard he projected, using his words is indicative of their value.

the standard was the standard prior to Obama

[thegeneral 3,147]

11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

She misspent $2.7T in tax payer money.  Probably best she just not go down that path.  

She did?

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

Just now, thegeneral said:

She did?

She was a part of it.  Everyone in Congress.

[thegeneral 3,147]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

She was a part of it.  Everyone in Congress.

They approve budgets, one of them this behemoth org that if you dare question you get labeled a communist by the likes of this talking head drunk guy on Dipshits and Friends Weekend edition. 

Are you at all a tad concerned that he might be just a touch out of his depth there if this is a concern of yours?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,334]

Hirono - Low IQ

[RLLD 4,207]

23 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

the standard was the standard prior to Obama

Sure, and Obama being the superlative orator he is, succinctly captured it in a phrase that we can leverage easily moving forward.

[jerryskids 6,761]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

He wasn’t drunk yesterday!  I’m sorry the nicknames  dehumanized him for you.

You could watch any network or read a bit and get caught up. 

I was talking more about the MSDNC with the dehumanizing labels.  You are just the target for their message, I don't expect different from you.   

26 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-hegseth-concerned-veterans-for-america-jessie-jane-duff/

Thanks, I'll read it.   

[thegeneral 3,147]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was talking more about the MSDNC with the dehumanizing labels.  You are just the target for their message, I don't expect different from you.   

Thanks, I'll read it.   

It’s cute that of all the terrible crap that this shithole has on it you are taking issue with Three Sheets Pete

For the record I started off this thread saying this completely unqualified dude can have this job and there was nothing I heard that was disqualifying. 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

They approve budgets, one of them this behemoth org that if you dare question you get labeled a communist by the likes of this talking head drunk guy on Dipshits and Friends Weekend edition. 

Are you at all a tad concerned that he might be just a touch out of his depth there if this is a concern of yours?

That's right, they approve budgets and always go over them without verifying why and then still cut the bigger check.  They then spend multiple trillions of dollars without batting an eye.  Again, all of them, do this.  Every second of every day, there are 537 elected officials in Washington DC that actually don't care about money.  They just do whatever and raise taxes or go in debt.... then grandstand about the other side doing it.  So, when it comes to money mismanagement, NONE of them, should ever sit and talk down to someone else like they're above it.

I think everyone who's in all of these positions are out of their depths.  He's no different.  I know you're going to tell me why he's (D)ifferent, but all you're going to do is give a reason that can be given towards every other person from every other administration.  I mean, aren't you concerned that about a person sitting in the highest level of our judicial branch can't even tell you what a woman is?

[squistion 2,167]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol this isn’t true. Hegseth looked like a buffoon. But he’s the buffoon Trump wants so I can’t think of a reason to reject him. 
I think half of Trump’s picks, or more, are completely idiotic. But let him have them. 

This is not a minor cabinet position. It is heading the Department of Defense and involves our national security. 

He couldn't answer even some basic questions about what the position entails. Besides the question of his competency, he seems to have a serious drinking problem...And you can't think of a reason to reject him?

[thegeneral 3,147]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's right, they approve budgets and always go over them without verifying why and then still cut the bigger check.  They then spend multiple trillions of dollars without batting an eye.  Again, all of them, do this.  Every second of every day, there are 537 elected officials in Washington DC that actually don't care about money.  They just do whatever and raise taxes or go in debt.... then grandstand about the other side doing it.  So, when it comes to money mismanagement, NONE of them, should ever sit and talk down to someone else like they're above it.

I think everyone who's in all of these positions are out of their depths.  He's no different.  I know you're going to tell me why he's (D)ifferent, but all you're going to do is give a reason that can be given towards every other person from every other administration.  I mean, aren't you concerned that about a person sitting in the highest level of our judicial branch can't even tell you what a woman is?

I’d say he’s different because his biggest qualification for the gig is he was on a corny TV show and kissed Trump’s ass. 

That being said he can have the gig.

You won’t care when his budget is bloated you are just taken aback that he had to get some tough questions for a couple hours. It’s the dog and pony show that is the process for every Cabinet gig,  At the very least you get to see that they aren’t a complete mess in this setting.

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You won’t care when his budget is bloated you are just taken aback that he had to get some tough questions for a couple hours. It’s the dog and pony show that is the process for every Cabinet gig,  At the very least you get to see that they aren’t a complete mess in this setting.

I'm not taken aback by anything going on in that process, I just find it funny how some people she killed him on mismanagement of a few million dollars when she and her cohorts are responsible for mismanaging TRILLIONS of dollars.

[jerryskids 6,761]

1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-hegseth-concerned-veterans-for-america-jessie-jane-duff/

Thanks again.  The drinking and alleged womanizing are fodders for simps like @squistion and @thegeneral.  The financial mismanagement is a bit of concern tho:

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Tax filings show Hegseth became a director at Veterans for Freedom in 2006 and executive director in 2007. In 2008, filings show the organization raised over $8.7 million in revenue — but spent over $9 million, including significant sums on media buys and events and initiatives.

By 2010, tax filings show revenue had dropped to just under $265,000. In the nonprofit's 2011 filing, Hegseth was listed as an "officer," rather than its executive director.

I mean, $8.7M in revenue down to $265K, that's quite a drop!

However, for grins, I clicked through the links to the actual tax returns.  In 2008, where they got $8.7M in revenue, the prior year they got $1.3M.  So I ask myself, self?  Is the $8.7M an anomaly where they got one large, uncommon donation?  Or is that the norm?  It feels like CBS picked that year to make their biased point, but I don't know. 

Also, regarding the overspending:

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Hegseth started leading Concerned Veterans for America in 2011. By 2016, the year Hegseth resigned as executive director, filings show the organization raised $15.9 million and listed $16.4 million in expenses. 

If you look at that same 2008 tax return where they got $8.7M in revenue, their expenses were $9M.

Also, from the above, under Hegseth they brought in $15.9M in 6 years, which averages out to... $2.65M in revenue per year.

So once again, I feel like CBS is cherry-picking years, one unusually high, and one unusually low, to make a biased point.

I look forward to your response and/or those from our right-leaning centrists.   

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The people who were ok putting someone on the SCOTUS who can't define what a woman is have a problem with putting an actual soldier in as secretary of defense.

[Herbivore 1,125]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks again.  The drinking and alleged womanizing are fodders for simps like @squistion and @thegeneral.  The financial mismanagement is a bit of concern tho:

I mean, $8.7M in revenue down to $265K, that's quite a drop!

However, for grins, I clicked through the links to the actual tax returns.  In 2008, where they got $8.7M in revenue, the prior year they got $1.3M.  So I ask myself, self?  Is the $8.7M an anomaly where they got one large, uncommon donation?  Or is that the norm?  It feels like CBS picked that year to make their biased point, but I don't know. 

Also, regarding the overspending:

If you look at that same 2008 tax return where they got $8.7M in revenue, their expenses were $9M.

Also, from the above, under Hegseth they brought in $15.9M in 6 years, which averages out to... $2.65M in revenue per year.

So once again, I feel like CBS is cherry-picking years, one unusually high, and one unusually low, to make a biased point.

I look forward to your response and/or those from our right-leaning centrists.   

not much to respond to when all you are doing is looking for ways to question cbs. I am sure there are other articles out there. People in Vets for America bounced him, for likely mismgmt and drinking. They weren't the media or Dems.