[** Official President Donald J. Trump Thread **]

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I still think whoever sh!t on Pelosi's desk should be next up for the Noble Piece Prize.

 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

20 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1881719859958231293

Immigrant rights groups have already sued the Trump admin over Trump's executive order calling for the U.S. to no longer recognize birthright citizenship.

The suit, filed by civil rights organizations including the ACLU, seeks to get the action tossed out as unconstitutional.

Expected.  I might suggest that this will happen for pretty much anything he does to make things better for the American people.   

Liberals are absolutely dedicated to the suffering of our people so as to empower others, they will not allow any benefit to the American people to transpire easily.  All good.  Let them have at it, I hope this behavior is megaphoned to the people of this nation, lest they forget how much liberals hate them.

[squistion 2,202]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Expected.  I might suggest that this will happen for pretty much anything he does to make things better for the American people.   

Liberals are absolutely dedicated to the suffering of our people so as to empower others, they will not allow any benefit to the American people to transpire easily.  All good.  Let them have at it, I hope this behavior is megaphoned to the people of this nation, lest they forget how much liberals hate them.

Fun Fact: Liberals and the ACLU don't hate the Constitution. This should not be upheld by the courts. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact: Liberals and the ACLU don't hate the Constitution. This should not be upheld by the courts. 

Not sure how they feel about the constitution, but regardless of their words, their actions indicate they do not like the people of this nation.

I am fine with them using the legal system as a weapon for now, its the primary tool in their box, so they of course will use it.  But I have hope that we the people will prevail and win over liberalism.

Now, you should be going after something else, not this, and I am honestly surprised. I expected you to be more on top of things.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

I don't know when I will get tired of saying this, but it's not yet. You're welcome liberals. Yes we saved you from yourselves.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact: Liberals and the ACLU don't hate the Constitution. This should not be upheld by the courts. 

You're welcome!

[squistion 2,202]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not sure how they feel about the constitution, but regardless of their words, their actions indicate they do not like the people of this nation.

I am fine with them using the legal system as a weapon for now, its the primary tool in their box, so they of course will use it.  But I have hope that we the people will prevail and win over liberalism.

Now, you should be going after something else, not this, and I am honestly surprised. I expected you to be more on top of things.

That is complete nonsense. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

I don't know when I will get tired of saying this, but it's not yet. You're welcome liberals. Yes we saved you from yourselves.

I suggest you not get too far ahead of yourself.   If you consider all that has been previously done...and the legal abuses....the misuse of congress.....   I would not be inclined to presume that liberals are at all done with corrupt behaviors.

The ruthlessness with which they conducted their campaign to ruin Trump is not simple going to subside.....no sir....these people are evil.....they will pursue him even harder now.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I suggest you not get too far ahead of yourself.   If you consider all that has been previously done...and the legal abuses....the misuse of congress.....   I would not be inclined to presume that liberals are at all done with corrupt behaviors.

The ruthlessness with which they conducted their campaign to ruin Trump is not simple going to subside.....no sir....these people are evil.....they will pursue him even harder now.

Yep. TDS is real. 

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is complete nonsense. 

We can agree to disagree, but when the impacts harm people, I accept the intent was to harm people; notably when their actions are do evidently stupid.  It has to be on purpose at this point.

But you are wasting time on this topic, there will be lawfare in abundance in the coming years, liberals will continue to mangle the legal system without restraint.

Again, you have better meat to chew on right now that I actually expect you to be doing.  Remember, now is the time when I am supposed to be enjoying actual accountability, your guy is no longer there....we no longer have to pretend he is doing nothing wrong....

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I suggest you not get too far ahead of yourself.   If you consider all that has been previously done...and the legal abuses....the misuse of congress.....   I would not be inclined to presume that liberals are at all done with corrupt behaviors.

The ruthlessness with which they conducted their campaign to ruin Trump is not simple going to subside.....no sir....these people are evil.....they will pursue him even harder now.

I'm sure they will. The cultist, facist people that they brainwashed, some are on this very board, will never realize how grateful they should be to people like us. But it's still good to remind them.

[Cdub100 3,908]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1881719859958231293

Immigrant rights groups have already sued the Trump admin over Trump's executive order calling for the U.S. to no longer recognize birthright citizenship.

The suit, filed by civil rights organizations including the ACLU, seeks to get the action tossed out as unconstitutional.

The concept of birthright citizenship in the United States is derived from the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment states:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This clause, known as the Citizenship Clause, was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) to mean that children born to legal or illegal immigrants in the U.S. are automatically U.S. citizens if they are born on U.S. soil and are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This has been the basis for birthright citizenship in American law.

 

Seems like another court case brewing

[jbycho 754]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1881719859958231293

Immigrant rights groups have already sued the Trump admin over Trump's executive order calling for the U.S. to no longer recognize birthright citizenship.

The suit, filed by civil rights organizations including the ACLU, seeks to get the action tossed out as unconstitutional.

So what? They are wrong. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

4 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

When the people who went on a witch hunt to punish these people get pardons..., it probably says a lot about your interpretation of the events that unfolded. Have you thought about that?

His answer is entirely predictable - Biden pardoned those people only because he feared Trump would seek revenge on them through unwarranted prosecutions.  Tim is incapable of nuanced thought.  He just flatly, believes everything his side does and says. Simpleton.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

Expected.  I might suggest that this will happen for pretty much anything he does to make things better for the American people.   

Liberals are absolutely dedicated to the suffering of our people so as to empower others, they will not allow any benefit to the American people to transpire easily.  All good.  Let them have at it, I hope this behavior is megaphoned to the people of this nation, lest they forget how much liberals hate them.

Please explain to me how, in your opinion, removing birthright citizenship makes things better for the American people. 

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please explain to me how, in your opinion, removing birthright citizenship makes things better for the American people. 

Illegals come in, they make a baby, and now the kid has US citizen's rights? C'mon dude. You really need to pull it back. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Illegals come in, they make a baby, and now the kid has US citizen's rights? C'mon dude. You really need to pull it back. 

You didn’t answer the question. @RLLD stated that by removing birthright citizenship, President Trump is trying to make things better for the American people. He also stated that liberals fighting to retain birthright citizenship are doing so because they want the American people to suffer. I would like an explanation of both assertions. 

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please explain to me how, in your opinion, removing birthright citizenship makes things better for the American people. 

Birthright citizenship has been used by illegals, they come here and have a baby thinking that now that they had a kid who is a citizen no one would date deport them.  They abuse our generosity, and in the process remain in their illegal status.   Are they paying taxes?   Hmmmm, I wonder......

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

Just now, RLLD said:

Birthright citizenship has been used by illegals, they come here and have a baby thinking that now that they had a kid who is a citizen no one would date deport them.  They abuse our generosity, and in the process remain in their illegal status.   Are they paying taxes?   Hmmmm, I wonder......

Yes I understand you think that the system is abused. I still don’t understand how removing it benefits us. And yes of course they pay taxes. They would pay a lot more taxes if the parents were given legal status. Isn’t that the better solution? 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I understand you think that the system is abused. I still don’t understand how removing it benefits us. And yes of course they pay taxes. They would pay a lot more taxes if the parents were given legal status. Isn’t that the better solution? 

There are reasons people emigrate here in droves.   

This nation is the greatest in all of history.  While liberals want to pretend is not, there is simply no truth to that inane notion.   Our generosity is represented in a variety of ways.

The people coming here know we are generous, and risk everything to come here because they know.....well, the knew when Biden was President.....they would be allowed in no questions asked, and we have thinks like the birthright element that inspires them.

We can remain generous....and awesome....and remove the enticements which people leverage to take advantage of our generosity.

[MDC 7,428]

Just now, RLLD said:

This nation is the greatest in all of history. 

Was the greatest. Our POTUS has assured me it’s a dystopian hellhole now.  

[jbycho 754]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Was the greatest. Our POTUS has assured me it’s a dystopian hellhole now.  

Good. Go cry if you must. Trump won by a landslide. 

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God the whining from the MAGA mouthpieces like RLLD.  That kid's political party is in charge of all three branches of the federal government, a majority of governershps AND state legislatures and still...it's all about how the libs are holding him back.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I understand you think that the system is abused. I still don’t understand how removing it benefits us. And yes of course they pay taxes. They would pay a lot more taxes if the parents were given legal status. Isn’t that the better solution? 

no

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

it’s a dystopian hellhole now.  

He was talking about Fishtown  

[RLLD 4,230]

20 minutes ago, MDC said:

Was the greatest. Our POTUS has assured me it’s a dystopian hellhole now.  

Yeah, and the prior one called half of us garbage, white supremacists etc.....  go figure

[jbycho 754]

15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He was talking about Fishtown  

He's talking about his whole existence.

[RLLD 4,230]

20 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

The concept of birthright citizenship in the United States is derived from the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment states:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This clause, known as the Citizenship Clause, was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) to mean that children born to legal or illegal immigrants in the U.S. are automatically U.S. citizens if they are born on U.S. soil and are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This has been the basis for birthright citizenship in American law.

 

Seems like another court case brewing

It gets interesting.  The 14th amendment was a move to protect slaves after emancipation.  As with any good intention, sometimes the outcomes are unexpected.

You will always have people who want to exploit.  There are many of them.  It has not simply been our neighbors to the south who have abused our kindness and laws, The Chinese astutely realized they could create citizens, then bring them home for indoctrination.....anyone venture a guess how they might then use those people?

[supermike80 1,911]

20 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

The concept of birthright citizenship in the United States is derived from the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment states:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This clause, known as the Citizenship Clause, was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) to mean that children born to legal or illegal immigrants in the U.S. are automatically U.S. citizens if they are born on U.S. soil and are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This has been the basis for birthright citizenship in American law.

 

Seems like another court case brewing

Yeah I think this will not be held up in court. 

[Cdub100 3,908]

FYI I just received notification all my job postings are being removed. 

There is a 100% complete hiring freeze.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

46 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

FYI I just received notification all my job postings are being removed. 

There is a 100% complete hiring freeze.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

It gets interesting.  The 14th amendment was a move to protect slaves after emancipation.  As with any good intention, sometimes the outcomes are unexpected.

 

This is wrong. The outcome of children of immigrants becoming citizens was NOT unexpected. It was actually debated prior to the passage of the 14th Amendment and determined to be a desirable outcome. This included children born here of people who came here without papers across our borders- at that time the borders were pretty much wide open. 
 

Most legal scholars, both conservative and liberal, believe the Supreme Court will slap down Trump on this. It may even be a unanimous decision. Birthright citizenship is here to stay unless you change the Constitution. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

You have to hand it to Trump. The overwhelming majority of people do not like the concept of anchor babies. And now he has the left defending it. He has ruined them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You have to hand it to Trump. The overwhelming majority of people do not like the concept of anchor babies. And now he has the left defending it. He has ruined them. 

51% of Americans oppose changing birthright citizenship: 

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article298897150.html

[RLLD 4,230]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is wrong. The outcome of children of immigrants becoming citizens was NOT unexpected. It was actually debated prior to the passage of the 14th Amendment and determined to be a desirable outcome. This included children born here of people who came here without papers across our borders- at that time the borders were pretty much wide open. 
 

Most legal scholars, both conservative and liberal, believe the Supreme Court will slap down Trump on this. It may even be a unanimous decision. Birthright citizenship is here to stay unless you change the Constitution. 

Wrong.  The amendment was not intended for immigrants, but instead for those here who were at risk, it was a response to the issues faced by formerly enslaved Americans after the Civil War. It was a key part of the Reconstruction era and was ratified in 1868.

Now, setting that aside. There are those who understand that they can use this as a tool to avoid deportation, and have done so, and also noted the way the Chinese were using it.

There will be legal challenges, as there should be.  I am hopeful we can find a result that benefits Americans, not illegal immigrants.  In the end, they can still deport the parents, of course liberals will then try to use the optics....as they love to do. Too focking bad, let them cry, I would be elated if their little game failed.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

51% of Americans oppose changing birthright citizenship: 

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article298897150.html

Oh, a poll from the AP and the university of Chicago? Well that settles it then.  Most Americans are against it. They just had an election saying so.  Ya heard? 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Wrong.  The amendment was not intended for immigrants, but instead for those here who were at risk, it was a response to the issues faced by formerly enslaved Americans after the Civil War. It was a key part of the Reconstruction era and was ratified in 1868.

Now, setting that aside. There are those who understand that they can use this as a tool to avoid deportation, and have done so, and also noted the way the Chinese were using it.

There will be legal challenges, as there should be.  I am hopeful we can find a result that benefits Americans, not illegal immigrants.  In the end, they can still deport the parents, of course liberals will then try to use the optics....as they love to do. Too focking bad, let them cry, I would be elated if their little game failed.

Look as I already wrote, your first paragraph is wrong. The amendment was primarily a response to slavery and Dred Scott, but immigration was discussed at the time. And this was confirmed by the Supreme Court shortly thereafter: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

As an aside in your last paragraph you wrote “I am hopeful we can find a result that benefits Americans, not illegal immigrants.” We already have that result. Birthright citizenship is a benefit to all here. Also, despite their lack of papers, IMO undocumented immigrants are every bit as American as anyone else, perhaps more so, as many of them risked their lives and freedoms coming here. How many of us can say that?!

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, a poll from the AP and the university of Chicago? Well that settles it then.  Most Americans are against it. They just had an election saying so.  Ya heard? 

The assumption that if people vote for a candidate they agree with everything the candidate is for is pretty damn stupid even for you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The assumption that if people vote for a candidate they agree with everything the candidate is for is pretty damn stupid even for you. 

Yeah.  Immigration was Trumps platform. People voted for it.   But you have a poll from a left wing school and the thoroughly discredited AP.  You’re like a child with your constant need for validation from your hand picked “sources”’ , months after an election showing you what Americans wanted.  The people have spoken.  Maybe if you idiots listened to them instead of the leftist agenda driven media you wouldn’t lose so much. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

So much great stuff is happening so quickly, It is hard to keep track.