Hardcore troubadour 14,715 Posted February 7 Doge just started on Medicare and Medicaid. Already 100 Billion. Cry more cucks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,866 Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: Not the gotcha you think. USAID functions solely as a tool of U.S. foreign policy created by statute, and it does not possess those constitutional powers. Nope, keep coping. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 53 minutes ago, nobody said: It's a COI because if he has access to payments, he can see what his potential competitors costs are and what they're paying vendors. But at this point, I don't really care. I hope he keeps doing what he's doing. Who the fuk is a competitor to Space X and what agency is Musk auditing that has contracts with his competitors? You are speculating on something that is not happening. Places like the DoE or USAID has zero to do with competitors to Musk. There has to be specifics to have a conflict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 A US Treasury Threat Intelligence Analysis Designates DOGE Staff as ‘Insider Threat’ An internal email reviewed by WIRED calls DOGE staff’s access to federal payments systems “the single greatest insider threat risk the Bureau of the Fiscal Service has ever faced” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: A US Treasury Threat Intelligence Analysis Designates DOGE Staff as ‘Insider Threat’ An internal email reviewed by WIRED calls DOGE staff’s access to federal payments systems “the single greatest insider threat risk the Bureau of the Fiscal Service has ever faced” No BOYO. They're upset because they're all getting exposed and loosing their gravy train money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 28 minutes ago, jonmx said: Who the fuk is a competitor to Space X and what agency is Musk auditing that has contracts with his competitors? You are speculating on something that is not happening. Places like the DoE or USAID has zero to do with competitors to Musk. There has to be specifics to have a conflict. Blue Origin you idiot How can you possibly be so dumb? Serious question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,192 Posted February 7 50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Doge just started on Medicare and Medicaid. Already 100 Billion. Cry more cucks. conflict of interest!!!! Musk has his own medical startup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,756 Posted February 7 I will admit....this whole thing has me a little unsettled. Uncomfortable..Nervous. Not a lot. I agree completely the federal government is absolutely bloated with waste and probably some fraud too. It's the sledgehammer thing...We are putting a whole lot of trust in Trump, and by extension, Musk. So it does just make me wonder "boy I hope they are doing the right thing here." It's just a lot...all at once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,014 Posted February 7 On 2/1/2025 at 8:56 PM, TrailGuy said: An unelected billionaire, with no actual Congressional authority or govt experience, has access to Treasury payment systems and sensitive information about millions of Americans who receive Social Security checks, tax refunds, and other payments. What could possibly go wrong? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-federal-payments-system.html No we definitely elected Musk. Project 2025!! I love this country Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,014 Posted February 7 Just now, supermike80 said: I will admit....this whole thing has me a little unsettled. Uncomfortable..Nervous. Not a lot. I agree completely the federal government is absolutely bloated with waste and probably some fraud too. It's the sledgehammer thing...We are putting a whole lot of trust in Trump, and by extension, Musk. So it does just make me wonder "boy I hope they are doing the right thing here." It's just a lot...all at once. It needs to happen. You cannot change the system the old way. What you need is one guy with way too much power dismantling it all. Then he instills safe guards to make sure swamp creatures can't come in and change it all back. Maybe if we are lucky Trump can serve for another term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mufaletta 59 Posted February 7 59 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: By creating USAID through the Act, Congress set it up as an independent agency with its own statutory authority. This independence meant that USAID was not merely an arm of the State Department but a separate entity tasked with planning and executing U.S. development and foreign assistance programs around the world. This structure was intended to ensure that development policies could be managed with a degree of flexibility and specialization distinct from traditional diplomatic efforts. While USAID operates independently, it still works closely with other parts of the government, especially the State Department, to align its programs with overall U.S. foreign policy goals. However, the statutory foundation provided by the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 ensures that any significant changes to its structure or mission would require legislative action, thereby protecting its independent operational framework. Seems that the independent operational framework will continue with less than 400 people, rather than the bloated 10,000+ it had 2 weeks ago, overseen by Secretary Rubio. Americans look forward to this entity being forcefully dragged back to something close to it's original mission, and saving billions of wasted $ on funding private media in the U.S., lifestyle programs in the 3rd world, and slush funds for NGO's to siphon money from in the process. What do you look forward to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,756 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: It needs to happen. You cannot change the system the old way. What you need is one guy with way too much power dismantling it all. Then he instills safe guards to make sure swamp creatures can't come in and change it all back. Maybe if we are lucky Trump can serve for another term. One thing I will admit is that I don't know much at all about what the gubbermint spends our money on. Isn't the budget like 10 million pages? And it doesn't matter which news article I read it doesn't help me grasp that kind of money changing hands. Now, if the line items are true, about some of the $$ that was spent on silly things.....Yeah, kill that. But is there "good" money being spent? Is that being discussed. I don't know. We shall see 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,014 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: One thing I will admit is that I don't know much at all about what the gubbermint spends our money on. Isn't the budget like 10 million pages? And it doesn't matter which news article I read it doesn't help me grasp that kind of money changing hands. Now, if the line items are true, about some of the $$ that was spent on silly things.....Yeah, kill that. But is there "good" money being spent? Is that being discussed. I don't know. We shall see Yeah there is some, but these agencies are so corrupt and wasteful that only a fraction gets used to really benefit people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Blue Origin you idiot How can you possibly be so dumb? Serious question. JFC you are one of the stupidest MFers. You have only answered 1/4 of the question. Now tell me what organization do they have a contract on which Musk would have been a potential competitor on, and then show me if Musk has insights into the detailed itemized records of payments which might give Musk some business sensitive information from his competitor. And even if all that was true, it is not a case of conflict of interest. It would be an issue of disclosure of sensitive information. It still has zero to do with being a conflict of interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,978 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: One thing I will admit is that I don't know much at all about what the gubbermint spends our money on. Isn't the budget like 10 million pages? And it doesn't matter which news article I read it doesn't help me grasp that kind of money changing hands. Now, if the line items are true, about some of the $$ that was spent on silly things.....Yeah, kill that. But is there "good" money being spent? Is that being discussed. I don't know. We shall see In many ways I see this as a work around to the fact that the President does not have a line item veto on the budget and Congresses insistence to have an omnibus budget bill with all sorts of pork and perks inserted thereto with misleading sounding titles for thsoe programs. The problem is, for generations now, politicians have politicianed rather than klegislating for the benefit of we the people. Both parties are complicite in the fraud and deceit which hass run ramopant. They ahve ignored the problem, kicked the can down teh road, and now it, the prolblem, the abuses has grown into a monster. Or maybe more accurately it is like the Aegean stables, only a demigod superhero thinking outside the box can clean this up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, jonmx said: JFC you are one of the stupidest MFers. You have only answered 1/4 of the question. Now tell me what organization do they have a contract on which Musk would have been a potential competitor on, and then show me if Musk has insights into the detailed itemized records of payments which might give Musk some business sensitive information from his competitor. And even if all that was true, it is not a case of conflict of interest. It would be an issue of disclosure of sensitive information. It still has zero to do with being a conflict of interest. Space Force Can you get any more dumb? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, supermike80 said: I will admit....this whole thing has me a little unsettled. Uncomfortable..Nervous. Not a lot. I agree completely the federal government is absolutely bloated with waste and probably some fraud too. It's the sledgehammer thing...We are putting a whole lot of trust in Trump, and by extension, Musk. So it does just make me wonder "boy I hope they are doing the right thing here." It's just a lot...all at once. Have you read what USAID was up to???? It is almost completely an organization which solely engages in waste, fraud and abuse. And here is a tidbit for just how bad it was. When Biden was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee he directed USAID to give tens of millions to a company called Barista....who in turned hired his son, who in turn put money in Joe's pocket. .. the USAID bs is a corrupt as they come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Space Force Can you get any more dumb? Is he auditing Space Force you fockig moron? If he was you would finally have a point. But instead Musk is exposing hundreds of billions of dollars of massive corruption and all you focking morons worry about is a potential conflict of interest in an agency he is not even auditing. Go fuk yourself. I hate disingenious lying retards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,943 Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: It needs to happen. You cannot change the system the old way. What you need is one guy with way too much power dismantling it all. Then he instills safe guards to make sure swamp creatures can't come in and change it all back. Maybe if we are lucky Trump can serve for another term. Unfortunately from your perspective, the bolded runs afoul of the constitution and myriad laws. If you can point to a single safeguard Trump has installed, I'd love to see it. All he does is dismantle them. Your last sentence is not worth comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,866 Posted February 7 https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Funiparty-v0-ukv73yqaxrhe1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1b9b2cad661c9ad53caabe6eb3a0cf42706bae2e Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, jonmx said: Is he auditing Space Force you fockig moron? If he was you would finally have a point. But instead Musk is exposing hundreds of billions of dollars of massive corruption and all you focking morons worry about is a potential conflict of interest in an agency he is not even auditing. He has access to every payment made from the US Govt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,756 Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, jonmx said: Have you read what USAID was up to???? It is almost completely an organization which solely engages in waste, fraud and abuse. And here is a tidbit for just how bad it was. When Biden was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee he directed USAID to give tens of millions to a company called Barista....who in turned hired his son, who in turn put money in Joe's pocket. .. the USAID bs is a corrupt as they come. Yeah I'm seeing the news posts on it. I'm keeping up. Like I said, I get it. I like it, to some degree. But it's just a lot so fast. That's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, jonmx said: Have you read what USAID was up to???? It is almost completely an organization which solely engages in waste, fraud and abuse. And here is a tidbit for just how bad it was. When Biden was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee he directed USAID to give tens of millions to a company called Barista....who in turned hired his son, who in turn put money in Joe's pocket. .. the USAID bs is a corrupt as they come. None of this is true You can't be any more dumb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: He has access to every payment made from the US Govt So?? The Government has access to every payment that you've ever made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: He has access to every payment made from the US Govt No he doesn't. He is not getting access to any military organizations, at least yet. And when he does it will not be Musk digging through the files looking at business sensitive information of his competitors. It will be DOGE representative who have no conflict of interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Yeah I'm seeing the news posts on it. I'm keeping up. Like I said, I get it. I like it, to some degree. But it's just a lot so fast. That's all. With the crap that coming out, it is not fast enough. There are hundreds of organizations to dig through and the next four years may be the last time these books are open for public scrutiny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, jonmx said: No he doesn't. He is not getting access to any military organizations, at least yet. And when he does it will not be Musk digging through the files looking at business sensitive information of his competitors. It will be DOGE representative who have no conflict of interest. Every payment is made from the treasury You have no idea how the US govt works do you? HO LEE SH1T! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,943 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, jonmx said: No he doesn't. He is not getting access to any military organizations, at least yet. And when he does it will not be Musk digging through the files looking at business sensitive information of his competitors. It will be DOGE representative who have no conflict of interest. And your unimpeachable sources for these declarations is.... your own delusion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,866 Posted February 7 Oooh yeah! Big Balls in the house https://media.scored.co/scale/G32QQTRIG21YVbUO.jpeg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-ai-department-education Musk is putting all the stolen data into his AI tool. We are all focked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 7 28 minutes ago, Mufaletta said: Seems that the independent operational framework will continue with less than 400 people, rather than the bloated 10,000+ it had 2 weeks ago, overseen by Secretary Rubio. Americans look forward to this entity being forcefully dragged back to something close to it's original mission, and saving billions of wasted $ on funding private media in the U.S., lifestyle programs in the 3rd world, and slush funds for NGO's to siphon money from in the process. What do you look forward to? He’s getting sued into oblivion. None of this is legal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,978 Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Fnord said: And your unimpeachable sources for these declarations is.... your own delusion? Right now I am seeing each side of the debate make amny self-serving, partisan presumptions. What I have not yet seen is a clear decalration, an authoritative decalration of teh powers, processes, limitations, and checks and balances and oversight reporting of the "Agency" I am going to look around adn see if they have a written charter of some kind. Frankly i do not know, but it sure would make me feel better if there were such a document, something to hold Doge to other than the limits of Elon's imagination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Every payment is made from the treasury You have no idea how the US govt works do you? HO LEE SH1T! You are the fuking clueless one. All the payments to contractors and vendors are paid by the smaller organization, and don't come directly from the Treasury. There is not one central organization which has all the accounting records. Each organization has their own financial systems which has their employees audit bills before they are paid. It is at that level at each of these hundreds of organizations are where any sensitive details are held. I have worked government contracts, i have reviewed invoices, and gave technical approval so payments could be made. No one at the treasury has direct access to the systems on some DoD base. There is a whole complex structure of how funds are authorized and a hierarchy of how those funds are sent to each organization and then how each of those organization make payments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,943 Posted February 7 Just now, Engorgeous George said: Right now I am seeing each side of the debate make amny self-serving, partisan presumptions. What I have not yet seen is a clear decalration, an authoritative decalration of teh powers, processes, limitations, and checks and balances and oversight reporting of the "Agency" I am going to look around adn see if they have a written charter of some kind. Frankly i do not know, but it sure would make me feel better if there were such a document, something to hold Doge to other than the limits of Elon's imagination. Good luck and godspeed on your fruitless search. Get back to us with your findings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: He’s getting sued into oblivion. None of this is legal. You think a government organization giving out money to their favorite political cause is legal. What went on in USAID is highly illegal. Musk is legally tasked with exposing it. Sue away. The bastard who try to sue can be held criminally liable for numerous crimes including misappropriation of funds and Hatch Act violations 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, jonmx said: You are fuking clueless one. All the payments to contractors and vendors are paid by the smaller organization, and don't come directly from the Treasury. There is not one central organization which has all the accounting records. Each organization has their own financial systems which has their employees audit bills before they are paid. It is at thst level at each of these hundreds of organizations are where any sensitive details are held. I have worked government contracts, i have reviewed invoices, and gave technical approval so payments could be made. No one at the treasury has direct access to the systems on some DoD base. There is a whole complex structure of how funds are authorized and a hierarchy of how those funds are sent to each organization and then how each of those organization make payments. ALL LIES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,393 Posted February 7 Just now, TrailGuy said: ALL LIES Oh please tell me. Tell me how the system works you focking lying POS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mufaletta 59 Posted February 7 Just now, The Girlfriend said: He’s getting sued into oblivion. None of this is legal. He who? Musk? Rubio? It will be joyous to hear the courts blast out multiple "no standing" responses to the lawsuits for the next 18 months, and then to see the lawsuits in late '26 and '27 be met with one word: "Laches" after these beehives of corruption have been smothered. One of Chris Moltisanti's guys from Newark has some thoughts on this as well: https://x.com/Patriotmom717/status/1887920248109572184 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,978 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: Good luck and godspeed on your fruitless search. Get back to us with your findings. all I find is the Esecutive Order. Interestingly taht order outlines a purpose. Taht purpose is quite limited tonupdating systems. Stopping payments is not updating systems. Now in the course of evaluating systems if information comes to light such that others can try to stop payments or truncate agencuies maybe they can or cant based on other powers, but DOGE has quite a limited mission. See the order: Federal Register :: Establishing and Implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,978 Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, jonmx said: You think a government organization giving out money to their favorite political cause is legal. What went on in USAID is highly illegal. Musk is legally tasked with exposing it. Sue away. The bastard who try to sue can be held criminally liable for numerous crimes including misappropriation of funds and Hatch Act violations Actually, not that I can see. Please see the purpose outline in the attached EO. Federal Register :: Establishing and Implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency" If you are too busy to click through I will copy the relevant portion below> Section 1 . Purpose. This Executive Order establishes the Department of Government Efficiency to implement the President's DOGE Agenda, by modernizing Federal technology and software to maximize governmental efficiency and productivity. (I have added the bolding for emphasis of the mission statement.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
