I'm out on Shedeur

[nobody 2,557]

These QBs that hold the ball all day don't live up to the hype in the pros...

Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Darnold, Zach Wilson...

Couple that with him being a little undersized, the perception that his main focus is getting paid (cough-MHJ-cough), and now I'm watching this QB select video of him and Cam Ward working out and I see Cam Ward constantly challenging Sanders and I'm getting flashbacks to Micah Parsons working out with Kyle Pitts, and Parsons was constantly challenging Pitts to prove he was the best and Pitts wasn't really interested.  

And then on top of all of that, you have to deal with Deion doing a Lavar Ball impersonation.

Nah, I'm good.

[JagFan 149]

He’ll likely go to the Giants, so he’ll fit right in with crappy.

[League Champion 1,896]

I think he'll be a mid tier type NFL QB. He won't hold much Fantasy value because he doesn't run and doesn't have good mobility. 

[Showboat 252]

On 2/24/2025 at 8:34 PM, JagFan said:

He’ll likely go to the Giants, so he’ll fit right in with crappy.

As a Nabers owner, I'd much rather see the Giants make a play for Stafford.

[GobbleDog 976]

"Undersized, holds ball too long, focused on getting paid..."  whatever. Clearly the kid can read defenses based on those incredible stats - at lowly Colorado no less. He impressed the hell out of me last year and believe me, I'm no Deon fan.

I expect he'll probably keep surprising people.

[LaChup 228]

He won't even be in the top 5 of this class.

[League Champion 1,896]

8 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

"Undersized, holds ball too long, focused on getting paid..."  whatever. Clearly the kid can read defenses based on those incredible stats - at lowly Colorado no less. He impressed the hell out of me last year and believe me, I'm no Deon fan.

I expect he'll probably keep surprising people.

His lack of mobility is going to hurt him in the NFL. He won't have the luxury of sitting back and picking defenses apart in the NFL. 

I think a good comp is Teddy Bridgewater.

- He does not utilize his athleticism enough to escape the pocket quickly and avoid pressure.

— Needs to limit pocket drifting when sensing pressure and step up instead.

— Improving route anticipation, tends to wait for his WR to break and look for the ball before throwing.

[LaChup 228]

Shedeur Ball to the Raiders. 

[ICEMAN 41]

He'll be out of a job in 2 years.

ICEMAN

[LaChup 228]

Lavar Sanders will make sure his boys stay around a little longer than that.

[DocNiner 67]

If the Titans take Ward at one then I thinknthe Browns take Abdul Carter at two. The Giants are jn a hard spot with no real QB. Rodgers isn't going there and Winston could be good for a few games but if Sanders is available at 3 then they have to take him. Not a big fan of him and he may or may not pan out but the Giants have to take him.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

If the Giants have a real plan they need to punt on the QB position this year and take the best player available. If they draft Sheduer then they're setting themselves back another 5 years. 

Sheduer is not an NFL QB. 

[LaChup 228]

There couldn't be a Shedeur pick at 3 than Sanders IMHO.

[kilroy69 1,215]

On 3/24/2025 at 7:57 AM, DocNiner said:

If the Titans take Ward at one then I thinknthe Browns take Abdul Carter at two. The Giants are jn a hard spot with no real QB. Rodgers isn't going there and Winston could be good for a few games but if Sanders is available at 3 then they have to take him. Not a big fan of him and he may or may not pan out but the Giants have to take him.

I would not be forced into taking a sub par QB if I were the Giants. I would take the best player available which is travis hunter. The giants are projected to suck this year anyway and still be in the hunt for a top pick next year. If they play their cards right they might get a shot at Manning. I would go with winston as a starter and let him know. We do not intend to win. We just want you to chuck the ball. Remember that 30/30 season you had?Lets do a 40/40

[Showboat 252]

7 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I would not be forced into taking a sub par QB if I were the Giants. I would take the best player available which is travis hunter. The giants are projected to suck this year anyway and still be in the hunt for a top pick next year. If they play their cards right they might get a shot at Manning. I would go with winston as a starter and let him know. We do not intend to win. We just want you to chuck the ball. Remember that 30/30 season you had?Lets do a 40/40

That would be awesome for Nabers - unfortunately, I think were going to be stuck with Wilson's unexciting mediocrity.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

I'm going to laugh my asss of if the Giants draft Sheduer. That would be worse than passing on McCarthy last season. 

[jrokh 608]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'm going to laugh my asss of if the Giants draft Sheduer. That would be worse than passing on McCarthy last season. 

Yeah, McCarthy has really lit the league on fire....

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

41 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Yeah, McCarthy has really lit the league on fire....

McCarthy would be 1.01 in this years draft and it wouldn't even be close. 

[DocNiner 67]

18 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'm going to laugh my asss of if the Giants draft Sheduer. That would be worse than passing on McCarthy last season. 

Yeah I'd laugh too if the Giants take him but pretty sure they won't.  I think there's a real chance that Sanders gets drafted at #9 by the Saints. They're going kowhere with Carr. If they do pass on Sanders at #9 I think they'll look hard at a QB in round 2, possibly the kid Tyler Shough, who could end up being a better QB than Sanders. Yup, even if Sanders is there at 3 I get the feeling the Giants will pass on him and let someone else deal with any baggage he may bring along with himself.

[Ray_T 739]

hes a QB that needs a good line in front of him to perform.

his scouting report doesnt read all that different from that of Dak Prescott.    he makes bad decisions when the pass rush is in his face (paraphrased) 

he makes plays with his legs when there is nothing there just like Dak (but hes not as good a runner as dak is)

like Dak, hes a situational QB who can perform if the line in front of him is good.    Dak just got lucky in that he was drafted by the team with the leagues best O line which covered up a lot of his weaknesses.

if drafted into a similar situation he might be ok.    but the line in front of him NEEDS to be good.    Otherwise the kid likely doesnt perform.

are there any teams out there with a top O line in need of a QB?

[jrokh 608]

34 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

but the line in front of him NEEDS to be good.

he had one of the worst lines in front of him in college football, and he was more than good... Sure the NFL is different, but what rookie QB excels with a bad line? Bo Nix had one of if not the top-rated pass blocking lines in the NFL...

[Ray_T 739]

10 minutes ago, jrokh said:

he had one of the worst lines in front of him in college football, and he was more than good... Sure the NFL is different, but what rookie QB excels with a bad line? Bo Nix had one of if not the top-rated pass blocking lines in the NFL...

 I am just telling you what I saw in the scouting report.   it does remind me a lot of Dak prescotts scouting report when he turned pro.  he was not a first round pick.   All I am doing is telling you what I see in the report.

to that end, what I see in his scouting report reminds me a lot of what I read in Daks when he turned pro.    Thats all I am saying.

it feels like hes a QB that need a line in front of him but he does scramble and that mitigates (but does not eliminate) this need somewhat.

maybe he didnt have a good line in front of him when he played and this likely is part of the reason hes given a bit of a pass on the scouting report.

I dont think hes the top QB in this draft, but I do think he is draftable and in the right situation, can be a player.   but his ability to perform may be situational. (translation late first or 2nd round pick)

[jrokh 608]

4 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

 I am just telling you what I saw in the scouting report.   it does remind me a lot of Dak prescotts scouting report when he turned pro.  he was not a first round pick.   All I am doing is telling you what I see in the report.

to that end, what I see in his scouting report reminds me a lot of what I read in Daks when he turned pro.    Thats all I am saying.

it feels like hes a QB that need a line in front of him but he does scramble and that mitigates (but does not eliminate) this need somewhat.

maybe he didnt have a good line in front of him when he played and this likely is part of the reason hes given a bit of a pass on the scouting report.

I dont think hes the top QB in this draft, but I do think he is draftable and in the right situation, can be a player.   but his ability to perform may be situational. (translation late first or 2nd round pick)

He already proved he can play. and play well with a terrible line. If any rookie QB in this draft could excel with a sub-par line, it would be Sanders...

[Ray_T 739]

1 hour ago, jrokh said:

He already proved he can play. and play well with a terrible line. If any rookie QB in this draft could excel with a sub-par line, it would be Sanders...

well, the good news is, hes not the consensus top QB in the draft so he can likely be had without breaking the bank

[nobody 2,557]

Qbs who hold the ball trying to make plays don't fare well in the pros.  Sure it works against roast beef tech in college, but Caleb, golden boy Trevor Lawrence, Carson wentz... They don't live up to the hype because even the d linemen can cut off angles in the pros.

[kilroy69 1,215]

On 4/3/2025 at 5:55 PM, Showboat said:

That would be awesome for Nabers - unfortunately, I think were going to be stuck with Wilson's unexciting mediocrity.

I think the giants skill players should have a good year no matter what. They project to be playing behind for most of their games and Nabors could easily be the biggest benefit from that. Winston being the QB would just put that into overdrive. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

As expected, he didn't do much at his pro day, but what he did do was hardly spectacular. He was playing catch with 4 of his college receivers and at times couldn't even make the easiest throws. The receivers had to slow down on deep throws that were under thrown and had a hard time hitting receivers in stride at times. 

He's going to struggle mightily to make those throws in the NFL. Very average performance IMO. 

[jrokh 608]

13 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

As expected, he didn't do much at his pro day, but what he did do was hardly spectacular. He was playing catch with 4 of his college receivers and at times couldn't even make the easiest throws. The receivers had to slow down on deep throws that were under thrown and had a hard time hitting receivers in stride at times. 

He's going to struggle mightily to make those throws in the NFL. Very average performance IMO. 

I guess some might see what they want to see...

https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1908282345200795823

 

 

[Ray_T 739]

people definitely see what they wanna see.   and hear what they wanna hear.

from my perspective, the reports on him seem to be all over the map.   I'm very serious about this.   I see one report saying his pro day was brilliant.  another saying it was a bust.

which makes me wonder if some of the people writing these reviews even know anything about football.  

I'm gonna try to check out some of the tape on this kid before the draft as clearly there is no concensus about this kid.    Granted, when you are not the top ranked QB this might be the reason.    But I do have an idea of what I like in a QB prospect and based on the one scouting report, he has at least some of the traits you want to see.   From what I can tell, the one thing I'll say is when there is no pressure, hes not gonna make an unforced error.

I fully acknowledge there are not a lot of occasions where there is no pressure at the NFL level but you'd be surprised at how many unforced errors are made by QB's who are drafted early in round 1.

[kilroy69 1,215]

Vegas odds say that Hunter is going to go 3rd. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

On 4/5/2025 at 10:28 PM, Ray_T said:

 I see one report saying his pro day was brilliant.  another saying it was a bust.

I watched his entire pro day. It was extremely average IMO. He couldn't hit guys in stride, especially beyond 10 yards. Receivers often had to slow down. That'll get a WR killed in the NFL. I'm not impressed. 

That was all with no defense or pressure. 

 

[Ray_T 739]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I watched his entire pro day. It was extremely average IMO. He couldn't hit guys in stride, especially beyond 10 yards. Receivers often had to slow down. That'll get a WR killed in the NFL. I'm not impressed. 

That was all with no defense or pressure. 

 

pro day is fine, but I actually prefer to look at game tape.

a pro day doesnt necessarily do a great job of simulating game conditions.

either way, when I see reports all over the map like this it generally means I need to look at the tape and see for myself.   no biggie there.  I enjoy watching football anyhow.

when there is good concensus on a player I dont often come to a different conclusion when I watch the tape.    it does happen but not a lot.   for me, these are the situations where I do extra research simply because the opinions on the kid are all over the map.    That also means this is potentially where a large steal could be had because the player could be undervalued.   I've seen enough good traits in the scouting report that I feel extra research is warranted.    it may even be a situation where his value will largely depend on where he actually lands.  Nice thing about these guys who are ranked as a late first or early 2nd round pick is that they could actually be drafted by a good team and properly developed..   if drafted top 8 or top 10 its likely expected that the kid will see significant time on the field before his rookie year is done.

 

 

 

[gcmmidwest 149]

Sanders is visiting Pittsburgh often

[JagFan 149]

On 4/7/2025 at 4:51 PM, Ray_T said:

pro day is fine, but I actually prefer to look at game tape.

a pro day doesnt necessarily do a great job of simulating game conditions.

either way, when I see reports all over the map like this it generally means I need to look at the tape and see for myself.   no biggie there.  I enjoy watching football anyhow.

when there is good concensus on a player I dont often come to a different conclusion when I watch the tape.    it does happen but not a lot.   for me, these are the situations where I do extra research simply because the opinions on the kid are all over the map.    That also means this is potentially where a large steal could be had because the player could be undervalued.   I've seen enough good traits in the scouting report that I feel extra research is warranted.    it may even be a situation where his value will largely depend on where he actually lands.  Nice thing about these guys who are ranked as a late first or early 2nd round pick is that they could actually be drafted by a good team and properly developed..   if drafted top 8 or top 10 its likely expected that the kid will see significant time on the field before his rookie year is done.

 

 

 

I watched a lot of Colorado the past two years because they were a fun team to watch.  If Sanders had time in the pocket, usually against weaker defenses, he looked good to great at times.  The biggest issue I saw was the o-line.  He never had one.  It was better last year, but still not good.  The jury is out for me, but with time to develop, behind a good enough line, I like his chances to be a good NFL QB, but not great.

[Ray_T 739]

1 hour ago, JagFan said:

I watched a lot of Colorado the past two years because they were a fun team to watch.  If Sanders had time in the pocket, usually against weaker defenses, he looked good to great at times.  The biggest issue I saw was the o-line.  He never had one.  It was better last year, but still not good.  The jury is out for me, but with time to develop, behind a good enough line, I like his chances to be a good NFL QB, but not great.

so far what I've seen is most of his mistakes happen when there is someone in his face.   I have not seen a ton of unforced errors.   granted the amount of tape i've seen isnt as large as I'd like.   but this is in line with a fair number of reports.    in many respects that is still a cut above a lot of NFL  QB.   take any middling NFL QB and cut out the unforced errors and you have an upper tier QB.   so if he can carry this trait to the NFL all you need to do is make sure he plays behind a good O line and has someone decent to throw to.

sounds simple, but you'd be surprised how many teams find ways to complicate this.

 

[kilroy69 1,215]

His camp is now floating the idea that they do not WANT to be one of the top 3 picks because they would rather see him go to a better team. 

[Ray_T 739]

3 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

His camp is now floating the idea that they do not WANT to be one of the top 3 picks because they would rather see him go to a better team. 

Thats what I'd be saying if I were him too.

the teams that are at the bottom (and have been so for a while) tend to make the same mistakes over and over and actually ruin more young QB's than they develop.   often this is a function of thinking they just need to get the QB some good receivers to throw to and O line is an afterthought.    I think for him to be successful he needs to not land with one of those teams.

[kilroy69 1,215]

Just now, Ray_T said:

Thats what I'd be saying if I were him too.

the teams that are at the bottom (and have been so for a while) tend to make the same mistakes over and over and actually ruin more young QB's than they develop.   often this is a function of thinking they just need to get the QB some good receivers to throw to and O line is an afterthought.    I think for him to be successful he needs to not land with one of those teams.

His best place to land would be with the rams to be honest. Behind a starter who he can learn from. 

[Ray_T 739]

1 minute ago, kilroy69 said:

His best place to land would be with the rams to be honest. Behind a starter who he can learn from. 

yeah.  Stafford doesnt have much tread left on the tire (so to speak)    He could then sit for a year, watch, and learn.

I dont mind Pittsburgh.   they are a borderline playoff team though their O line didnt perform exceptionally well last year (partly due to injuries) but I think the issues there can be fixed.

 

[nobody 2,557]