Dept of Education going BYE BYE!

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

So I understand.   Are you saying of the 15% being currently sent to the feds---none of it will go to the states?  The feds will just keep it all and cut funding to schools by 15%?  

I don't know I'm assuming.  If the DOE is responsible for funding schools at 15%, and they get rid of the DOE, then....

Or you think that even though the DOE will be gone someone else will determine how schools get funded?

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

I don't know I'm assuming.  If the DOE is responsible for funding schools at 15%, and they get rid of the DOE, then....

Or you think that even though the DOE will be gone someone else will determine how schools get funded?

Yes...the states will.  That's the entire point. No more money running to the feds, to get reduced due to more salaries, buildings, whatever else.  Send it to the states to do with it as they wish

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Not necessarily.   Why can't the feds have that $$ go directly to the states and bypass the feds and the salaries and bureaucracy that comes with another department?

Well, in theory the feds could...but the same $$ might not go directly the states, particularly under the Trump Administration, who might not give it to some states, like California (Trump could use withholding the funds as some sort of punishment/blackmail like he threatened to do after the fires, when he was first POTUS and then again with the most recent fires). 

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Yes...the states will.  That's the entire point. No more money running to the feds, to get reduced due to more salaries, buildings, whatever else.  Send it to the states to do with it as they wish

States will pay give raises to those that already make more than they should, build more empty buildings, charge more taxes.  Indeed 

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22 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

See Honcho?  So I appear to be right when I said the libs believe it will reduce funding.  Win for me

Okay, it's a win for you, because it will reduce some funding for schools. That's not really the main priority of for the DoE, since the DoE doesn't provide the majority of funds for schools.  Public schools in the country get some of there funding from the DoE, up to about 15% of their budgets. Of the $80B the DoE spent in 2023, $18B went to lower income schools, $15B was for providing money to help districts serve students with disabilities. Other things the DoE does is Managing college financial aid and federal student loans, Data collection on colleges and college students, and Tracking student achievement through the Nation's Report Card. 

 

NPR Story

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I mean in a way...Wouldn't it be better?

Say the DOE gets $50,000,000 in funding.  So $1,000,000 per state if they don't exist.

Instead of that $50,000,000 getting distributed after paying millions in overhead?   

Now if you are assuming the feds will just keep the money, and send none of it to the states, ok then yeah it will be reduced.  I don't know if that will happen and I have no evidence to say it will.   But I can't argue with how you feel

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Well, in theory the feds could...but the same $$ might not go directly the states, particularly under the Trump Administration, who might not give it to some states, like California (Trump could use withholding the funds as some sort of punishment/blackmail like he threatened to do after the fires, when he was first POTUS and then again with the most recent fires). 

It's fair you don't Trust the Trump administration.  That point is clear.  

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

Okay, it's a win for you, because it will reduce some funding for schools. That's not really the main priority of for the DoE, since the DoE doesn't provide the majority of funds for schools.  Public schools in the country get some of there funding from the DoE, up to about 15% of their budgets. Of the $80B the DoE spent in 2023, $18B went to lower income schools, $15B was for providing money to help districts serve students with disabilities. Other things the DoE does is Managing college financial aid and federal student loans, Data collection on colleges and college students, and Tracking student achievement through the Nation's Report Card. 

 

NPR Story

And tell me how none of that cannot be done at the state level

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6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yes...the states will.  That's the entire point. No more money running to the feds, to get reduced due to more salaries, buildings, whatever else.  Send it to the states to do with it as they wish

So we need something else besides the DOE to perform this function correct?  Haven't seen this proposed.  You haven't either you're just assuming.

This is why an EO is not the correct method to do this.  It should come from Congress and have these details sorted out.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So we need something else besides the DOE to perform this function correct?  Haven't seen this proposed.  You haven't either you're just assuming.

This is why an EO is not the correct method to do this.  It should come from Congress and have these details sorted out.

I dont know what we need.  I don't know if we need the DOE eliminated.  I just don't know.   I'm trying to understand why you guys think it's bad.  So far I'm not being convinced on why it is.

If someone wants to tell me why it's good, I'll listen to that as well.

I cant get behind just blindly saying ending the DOE is bad, just because.   That isn't enough for me.  If you're going to stand behind the argument that the elimination of the DOE will absolutely lead to a 15% cut to funding for schools, and all the programs the DOE supports will no longer exist.  Ok then.  I wouldn't support that.  But all i am seeing is what people will think will happen.  Fine enough---I think it can be fairly surmised we are in the "we don't know" phase.
 

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18 minutes ago, patweisers44 said:

@Hardcore troubadour

Can you elaborate on the teachers union being to blame? Not trolling or arguing, just trying to understand.

If the schools weren’t failing then no one would be wanting to get rid of the DOE. And considering Pringle and Weingarten basically run the DOE I’m gonna go ahead and blame them. 

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I live in NY. We have a state DOE. Why do we need another one? From what I see, the DOE says do what we want or you don’t get your tax dollars back. Anyone think different ? 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I live in NY. We have a state DOE. Why do we need another one? From what I see, the DOE says do what we want or you don’t get your tax dollars back. Anyone think different ? 

I guess you have another one for the extra 15% in funding?

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3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

And tell me how none of that cannot be done at the state level

Based on the speediness of your reply, it's obvious you didn't read the article or you wouidn't have asked that question?  Take the Nation's Report Card, you think that we should let each state evaluate and grade their own education systems?  Or that 50 individual systems for managing financial aid, student loans could possibly be more efficient than one centralized system. 

You admitted you don't know what DoE does, and it's pretty clear you are just taking a contrary position based on politics at this point. When you take some time to form an educated position. get back to me and we discuss this some more.

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2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on the speediness of your reply, it's obvious you didn't read the article or you wouidn't have asked that question?  Take the Nation's Report Card, you think that we should let each state evaluate and grade their own education systems?  Or that 50 individual systems for managing financial aid, student loans could possibly be more efficient than one centralized system. 

You admitted you don't know what DoE does, and it's pretty clear you are just taking a contrary position based on politics at this point. When you take some time to form an educated position. get back to me and we discuss this some more.

Im asking questions.  Do i think the states can do their own report card, yes I do.  What makes you think the feds are better at it?  Could the states, oh I don't know, create a scorecard on a county level?   City level?   Poverty level?  Why couldn't a state do that?

I agree a centralized system in theory could do better.  But do we know that is happening?   That's making an assumption that the federal government runs efficiently.  No way I can back that play

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I guess you have another one for the extra 15% in funding?

Exactly. And I doubt NY gets back what it puts in. Also, there is no more blaming DC for the required BS in the schools. The school board will have to answer for it instead of saying their hands are tied. More local control. Very fascist. 

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22 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I dont know what we need.  I don't know if we need the DOE eliminated.  I just don't know.   I'm trying to understand why you guys think it's bad.  So far I'm not being convinced on why it is.

If someone wants to tell me why it's good, I'll listen to that as well.

I cant get behind just blindly saying ending the DOE is bad, just because.   That isn't enough for me.  If you're going to stand behind the argument that the elimination of the DOE will absolutely lead to a 15% cut to funding for schools, and all the programs the DOE supports will no longer exist.  Ok then.  I wouldn't support that.  But all i am seeing is what people will think will happen.  Fine enough---I think it can be fairly surmised we are in the "we don't know" phase.
 

I already pointed out the one good is college loans, grants and scholarships.  I think this is important because I value education but I can see others thinking that we shouldn't help people graduate college.,

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13 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I dont know what we need.  I don't know if we need the DOE eliminated.  I just don't know.   I'm trying to understand why you guys think it's bad.  So far I'm not being convinced on why it is.

If someone wants to tell me why it's good, I'll listen to that as well.

I cant get behind just blindly saying ending the DOE is bad, just because.   That isn't enough for me.  If you're going to stand behind the argument that the elimination of the DOE will absolutely lead to a 15% cut to funding for schools, and all the programs the DOE supports will no longer exist.  Ok then.  I wouldn't support that.  But all i am seeing is what people will think will happen.  Fine enough---I think it can be fairly surmised we are in the "we don't know" phase.
 

 

6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Im asking questions.  Do i think the states can do their own report card, yes I do.  What makes you think the feds are better at it?  Could the states, oh I don't know, create a scorecard on a county level?   City level?   Poverty level?  Why couldn't a state do that?

I agree a centralized system in theory could do better.  But do we know that is happening?   That's making an assumption that the federal government runs efficiently.  No way I can back that play

I think it's fair that you admit you don't know what they do and are asking questions. 

I think we need a DoE most importantly for making sure all federal laws and policies regarding education are being met, the funding that goes to lower income schools(helping hire more teachers), and for the support for students with disabilities. Letting the states grade themselves is ripe for abuse.  And as far as centralized system compared to 50 individual systems, 50 individual systems would be a 50x waste of money then one centralized system that does: 

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The Education Department is not only responsible for managing the federal student loan portfolio, which amounts to approximately $1.6 trillion in student loan debt, it's also responsible for the mechanism that gives students access to college financial aid: the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, or FAFSA.

More than 17 million current and aspiring college students fill out the FAFSA each year in order to qualify for student loans, grants and more. For many, it's the only way they can get help paying for college.

Students who end up taking out loans become part of the department's massive student loan portfolio, which is managed by the office of Federal Student Aid (FSA). FSA "provides approximately $120.8 billion in grant, work-study, and loan funds each year to help students and their families pay for college or career school," according to the office's website. That includes $33 billion in Pell Grants for low-income and middle-income undergraduate students.

FSA also oversees student loan servicers, the outside companies it hires to work directly with borrowers on their loan payments, among other things

 

 There is no way 50 state programs are going to do that better than having it done under one umbrella, nor could they afford to do it. 

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I already pointed out the one good is college loans, grants and scholarships.  I think this is important because I value education but I can see others thinking that we shouldn't help people graduate college.,

Ok are you saying, it the DOE goes BUH BYE...There will be no more college loans, grants and scholarships?  They will disappear?

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

I think it's fair that you admit you don't know what they do and are asking questions. 

I think we need a DoE most importantly for making sure all federal laws and policies regarding education are being met, the funding that goes to lower income schools(helping hire more teachers), and for the support for students with disabilities. Letting the states grade themselves is ripe for abuse.  And as far as centralized system compared to 50 individual systems, 50 individual systems would be a 50x waste of money then one centralized system that does: 

 There is no way 50 state programs are going to do that better than having it done under one umbrella, nor could they afford to do it. 

Ok...Can we drop the DOE and create a federal student loan department?  There... Fixed it.

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Hey guys this is gonna make america great again.  I read that somewhere.

 

Easy.  The deep state #1 priority has been the brainwashing of America, starting with the educational system utilizing DOE.   By eliminated their means to produce braindead retards like you will make American much better.  

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14 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Ok are you saying, it the DOE goes BUH BYE...There will be no more college loans, grants and scholarships?  They will disappear?

From the federal government, yes.  If you're getting rid of people whose job it is to provide these, then how is anyone going to get them?

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

From the federal government, yes.  If you're getting rid of people whose job it is to provide these, then how is anyone going to get them?

From the states?  You can't seriously be saying if the DOE goes away, there will be no more student loans, grants or scholarships.  I can't believe you are saying that.  if you are, fine.   i can't argue against that

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

From the states?  You can't seriously be saying if the DOE goes away, there will be no more student loans, grants or scholarships.  I can't believe you are saying that.  if you are, fine.   i can't argue against that

Let me ask you, if we get rid of the people whose job it is to provide federal loans, grants and scholarships, then who is anyone going to get them?

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Let me ask you, if we get rid of the people whose job it is to provide federal loans, grants and scholarships, then who is anyone going to get them?

From a bank?

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

then who is anyone going to get them?

You apparently need one to learn how to write 

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12 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

From a bank?

Banks give grants and scholarships?

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Giving loans and scholarships based solely on sexual affiliation and skin color is absolutely what needs to stop.

Trump for the win!!! Again!

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19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Banks give grants and scholarships?

No.

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4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

The federal govt only funds about 15% of funding for k-12 schools.  85% of school funding comes from state or local taxes.  So it's already happening.

Besides, eliminating the DOE is not going to lower anyone's taxes.  It's not like we're all gonna get a tax cut.  The Federal govt is gonna take the same amount of money and just use the DOE money for something else.

Who said anything about lowering the money. Why do I need to send 15$ out of 100 to the feds only for them to send it back to the states.  Just send my entire 100 to the state 

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3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

From the federal government, yes.  If you're getting rid of people whose job it is to provide these, then how is anyone going to get them?

Nope it can be absorbed into another dept that has people sitting around 5 hours a day doing nothing

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4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I don't know I'm assuming.  If the DOE is responsible for funding schools at 15%, and they get rid of the DOE, then....

Or you think that even though the DOE will be gone someone else will determine how schools get funded?

15 pct in all states? 

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The left thinks laundering tax dollars through a giant federal bureaucracy and sending it back to the states at 30 cents on the dollar is the way to go. That’s how stupid they are.  

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3 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The left thinks laundering tax dollars through a giant federal bureaucracy and sending it back to the states at 30 cents on the dollar is the way to go. That’s how stupid they are.  

this exactly

the California lottery is a perfect example

it was created with 1.5% of all sales going to the schools, that was what they sold us, guess what it does!!!! but the lottery dept takes an administration fee, and heres the real problem, California has reappropriated the funds to other projects so the schools never got more

 

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3 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The left thinks laundering tax dollars through a giant federal bureaucracy and sending it back to the states at 30 cents on the dollar is the way to go. That’s how stupid they are.  

Well, the left also thinks that a man can become a woman because he says so, that castration and chemicals are okay for children to make the decision, has no idea what a woman is and that there's more than two genders. 

So, yeah, that checks out.

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29 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, the left also thinks that a man can become a woman because he says so, that castration and chemicals are okay for children to make the decision, has no idea what a woman is and that there's more than two genders. 

So, yeah, that checks out.

They also think having a reservoir full of water won’t help when there is a massive wildfire nearby.  

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54 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, the left also thinks that a man can become a woman because he says so, that castration and chemicals are okay for children to make the decision, has no idea what a woman is and that there's more than two genders. 

So, yeah, that checks out.

Beaches have to have an ocean.  All the western side beaches (calmest and most beautiful) in the Caribbean don't count.  

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10 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

this exactly

the California lottery is a perfect example

it was created with 1.5% of all sales going to the schools, that was what they sold us, guess what it does!!!! but the lottery dept takes an administration fee, and heres the real problem, California has reappropriated the funds to other projects so the schools never got more

 

Very good piece on the DOE.  Look what happened when Florida took control of their education.  Just another bloated government failure.  I know that is repetitive.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/03/closing_the_doe.html

 

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Trump admin cancels $400m in grants and contracts to Columbia over concerns about “antisemitism” - Link

From the river to the sea … REEEeeeeee!!!  

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump admin cancels $400m in grants and contracts to Columbia over concerns about “antisemitism” - Link

From the river to the sea … REEEeeeeee!!!  

Republicans need a DoE to punish schools that promote anti-semitism and Democrats need a DoE to punish schools that keep men out of the girls locker rooms.