Supreme Court repudiates Trump 9-0, says US must facillitate return of man wrongfully deported to El Salvador

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/10/politics/supreme-court-abrego-garcia
 

Damn. 9-0. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

As they should. Whoops. Real Tim gets all worked up about one guy being the victim of a mistake but shrugs his shoulders at some women being raped and murdered.  

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/10/politics/supreme-court-abrego-garcia
 

Damn. 9-0. 

I told you all in other threads that the US Constitution guarantees due process to everyone, citizens or non-citizens, here legally or illegally. 

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As they should. Whoops. Real Tim gets all worked up about one guy being the victim of a mistake but shrugs his shoulders at some women being raped and murdered.  

We expect the government to behave better than violent thugs. 

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This is the big win? 

Mistakes will be made, but removing 6 bazillion terrorists, malcontents, criminals and gang members that the Democrats have let in I'll take any day over one non-US Citizen that was MAYBE mistakenly swooped up in the net.

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If they make 1 mistake for every 100k illegals deported, nobody should complain. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

We expect the government to behave better than violent thugs. 

Okay, drama queen. 

Or maybe it's chicken little?  Don't really care, actually.  Your hysteria is even hysterical.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We expect the government to behave better than violent thugs. 

And we can’t expect the government to keep  violent thugs out of our country or remove them before they do rape and murder? It’s job one. Unless you think differently? 

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2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

If they make 1 mistake for every 100k illegals deported, nobody should complain. 

Yep.  I mean, the left doesn't give a sh#t about 20 women runners losing to a biological male in a woman's sport, but one suspected gang member (and non-citizen) gets swooped up in a net and they're losing their f@cking minds.

That's why the Democrats and the Democrat Party are as anti-American as Communist Russia.  Get a load of this: they would rather protect NON-US Citizens than actual US Citizens.  It's unbelievable.

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/10/politics/supreme-court-abrego-garcia
 

Damn. 9-0. 

The guy is on the deport list. Just back to his own country. Oopsss...

"Amp". 

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Good thing that Garcia scumbag is-a citizen of El Salvador and is in an El Salvador prison 

[Mark Davis 424]

I don't care if we have to book him a ticket on Delta, we don't need MS-13 running around inside the country.  If he's MS-13, let them protect him from the rival gang back home.

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46 minutes ago, squistion said:

I told you all in other threads that the US Constitution guarantees due process to everyone, citizens or non-citizens, here legally or illegally. 

Due process is different for citizens vs non citizens. 

[iam90sbaby 2,725]

Has there ever been a law in the history of laws where there weren’t innocent victims? Exactly, sh!t happens, keep on deporting 

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Good.

[Strike 5,974]

Dumb.  You think they're gonna let him out when he gets here?  We're gonna bring him back and throw him in a cell until his "due process" is over and then deport him again.  What a waste of money.

[squistion 2,474]

35 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I don't care if we have to book him a ticket on Delta, we don't need MS-13 running around inside the country.  If he's MS-13, let them protect him from the rival gang back home.

Did I miss the part where the government offered some proof that he is MS-13?

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7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Did I miss the part where the government proved that he is MS-13?

I didn't realize you went to school in Baltimore.  You're struggling with reading but I think I can help as long as you got through Sally D*** and Jane. Let me help.  "If he's MS-13" does not assert that anything was proved.  The word "if" in our language leaves open whether or not something is true or will or won't happen.  The article does say the Solicitor General asserted he was a ranking member of MS-13.  I think only using the word "if" when considering the Solicitor General's word against the word of someone who is already here illegally is pretty generous on my part.  I mean, do we really expect this guy and his family to say "Aw shucks!  You guys got me, I am in MS-13!"

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

I didn't realize you went to school in Baltimore.  You're struggling with reading but I think I can help as long as you got through Sally and Jane. Let me help.  "If he's MS-13" does not assert that anything was proved.  The word "if" in our language leaves open whether or not something is true or will or won't happen.  The article does say the Solicitor General asserted he was a ranking member of MS-13.  I think only using the word "if" when considering the Solicitor General's word against the word of someone who is already here illegally is pretty generous on my part.  I mean, do we really expect this guy and his family to say "Aw shucks!  You guys got me, I am in MS-13!"

I agree with you. If the solicitor general says he’s an MS-13 member and he says he isn’t then I assume he probably is. 
 

But “probably” isn’t good enough for our justice system. You gotta prove it in court. Now that should be relatively easy to do, but the Trump Adminstration chose to bypass that step. And I have a real problem with that. I don’t care if this dude is Charles Manson or Pol Pot. We have a system. Don’t you have a problem with this? 

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Dumb.  You think they're gonna let him out when he gets here?  We're gonna bring him back and throw him in a cell until his "due process" is over and then deport him again.  What a waste of money.

It isn’t. Things need to be done the right way. 
 

[squistion 2,474]

10 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I didn't realize you went to school in Baltimore.  You're struggling with reading but I think I can help as long as you got through Sally D*** and Jane. Let me help.  "If he's MS-13" does not assert that anything was proved.  The word "if" in our language leaves open whether or not something is true or will or won't happen.  The article does say the Solicitor General asserted he was a ranking member of MS-13.  I think only using the word "if" when considering the Solicitor General's word against the word of someone who is already here illegally is pretty generous on my part.  I mean, do we really expect this guy and his family to say "Aw shucks!  You guys got me, I am in MS-13!"

And that he was a ranking member of MS-13 was proved, or did I miss that part? 

That is the crux of the due process claim.

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Signs of a democracy with checks and balances.  Faint pulse.

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with you. If the solicitor general says he’s an MS-13 member and he says he isn’t then I assume he probably is. 
 

But “probably” isn’t good enough for our justice system. You gotta prove it in court. Now that should be relatively easy to do, but the Trump Adminstration chose to bypass that step. And I have a real problem with that. I don’t care if this dude is Charles Manson or Pol Pot. We have a system. Don’t you have a problem with this? 

Right.  And my point is I believe the Solicitor General is probably correct as well.  I assumed he's going to be back here and likely deported after the fact, it's why I mentioned we can book him on Delta for all I care.  We don't need him here.  That's the part we agree on.  And once it's handled, regardless of how we got there that is what should happen if those assumptions turn out to be true.

The part we don't agree on is I really don't have a problem with what the administration did here.  The guy is already here illegally, he was allowed to stay if the article is correct due to fear of gang violence.  Then now our government has determined he is in one of the most vicious gangs that exists.  So I'm not shocked another gang probably doesn't like him very much.  We indeed to have a system, one that wasn't set up to deal with millions of illegal immigrants and it's overwhelmed.  I know we differ here, but if this guy was a citizen I'd have a big problem with it.  Given that he isn't, no I don't have a problem with it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

Obama had a kill list. People on that list were killed, some of them were us citizens. Don’t recall due process coming up too much 

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8 minutes ago, squistion said:

And that he was a ranking member of MS-13 was proved, or did I miss that part? 

That is the crux of the due process claim.

I mean I'm not John Roberts trying to adjudicate this.  My comment assumed he would come back and by the booking him on Delta comment I'm assuming the Solicitor General is probably right and we are going to need to get him out of here.  I'm all for that.  But like I told Tim, my heart isn't broken for the guy because I believe it's much more likely than not that the Solicitor General is telling the truth here versus someone here illegally and is accused of being a gang member.  You can lose sleep over this guy if you want, but there's in all probability a lot more people who deserve your concern than this guy.

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Right.  And my point is I believe the Solicitor General is probably correct as well.  I assumed he's going to be back here and likely deported after the fact, it's why I mentioned we can book him on Delta for all I care.  We don't need him here.  That's the part we agree on.  And once it's handled, regardless of how we got there that is what should happen if those assumptions turn out to be true.

The part we don't agree on is I really don't have a problem with what the administration did here.  The guy is already here illegally, he was allowed to stay if the article is correct due to fear of gang violence.  Then now our government has determined he is in one of the most vicious gangs that exists.  So I'm not shocked another gang probably doesn't like him very much.  We indeed to have a system, one that wasn't set up to deal with millions of illegal immigrants and it's overwhelmed.  I know we differ here, but if this guy was a citizen I'd have a big problem with it.  Given that he isn't, no I don't have a problem with it. 

OK we disagree. But let me show you the flaw in your argument: suppose the guy claims he is a citizen. The state says he isn’t. How do we know? We know by having an independent court look at the evidence. Can you see now why this is important? Whats to stop a government, Democratic or Republican, from deciding that anyone they don’t like isn’t a citizen? If they can avoid going to court, how can anyone stop it? 
Thats why we need due process for everyone be they citizen or not. 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Obama had a kill list. People on that list were killed, some of them were us citizens. Don’t recall due process coming up too much 

It didn't.  And I never once had an issue with it.  Some people who agree with me on this issue above probably disagree with me about that.  

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with you. If the solicitor general says he’s an MS-13 member and he says he isn’t then I assume he probably is. 
 

But “probably” isn’t good enough for our justice system. You gotta prove it in court. Now that should be relatively easy to do, but the Trump Adminstration chose to bypass that step. And I have a real problem with that. I don’t care if this dude is Charles Manson or Pol Pot. We have a system. Don’t you have a problem with this? 

No, unless we are to take the word of the solitor general here without question. Government officials (even the solicitor general) can make a mistake, and that is why we have due process for everyone in this country. 

Seriously, would we want anyone here deported to a foreign prison based on the word of some government official without giving them the right to dispute it in a court of law? SMH.

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1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

I mean I'm not John Roberts trying to adjudicate this.  My comment assumed he would come back and by the booking him on Delta comment I'm assuming the Solicitor General is probably right and we are going to need to get him out of here.  I'm all for that.  But like I told Tim, my heart isn't broken for the guy because I believe it's much more likely than not that the Solicitor General is telling the truth here versus someone here illegally and is accused of being a gang member.  You can lose sleep over this guy if you want, but there's in all probability a lot more people who deserve your concern than this guy.

He'll be shipped right the fock back out of the country only to a different shlthole country. This is already a given. 

[seafoam1 3,397]

Liberals simply trying hard to waste American dollars. Again. 

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The flaw in the plan is it’s unfortunate El Salvador doesn’t execute all the terrorists immediately after they’re shipped there

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK we disagree. But let me show you the flaw in your argument: suppose the guy claims he is a citizen. The state says he isn’t. How do we know? We know by having an independent court look at the evidence. Can you see now why this is important? Whats to stop a government, Democratic or Republican, from deciding that anyone they don’t like isn’t a citizen? If they can avoid going to court, how can anyone stop it? 
Thats why we need due process for everyone be they citizen or not. 

In theory you are correct.  In that setting, there would be a systemic issue and effort of the government doing this.  I haven't seen that be alleged.  

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6 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I mean I'm not John Roberts trying to adjudicate this.  My comment assumed he would come back and by the booking him on Delta comment I'm assuming the Solicitor General is probably right and we are going to need to get him out of here.  I'm all for that.  But like I told Tim, my heart isn't broken for the guy because I believe it's much more likely than not that the Solicitor General is telling the truth here versus someone here illegally and is accused of being a gang member.  You can lose sleep over this guy if you want, but there's in all probability a lot more people who deserve your concern than this guy.

Everyone in this country being denied due process under the Constitution deserves my concern.

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Everyone in this country being denied due process under the Constitution deserves my concern.

You can give suspected MS-13 members your concern, that's your choice.  I won't miss a beat for people who fall into that category of both here illegally and suspected MS-13 when our government deports them.  Hopefully for you the government deports enough of these guys before they cause you any harm as they have for so many.  (See, I'm concerned for your well being.  I do have a heart.)

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21 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

You can give suspected MS-13 members your concern, that's your choice.  I won't miss a beat for people who fall into that category of both here illegally and suspected MS-13 when our government deports them.  Hopefully for you the government deports enough of these guys before they cause you any harm as they have for so many.  (See, I'm concerned for your well being.  I do have a heart.)

Of course you won't, and no one would ever expect you to be a better person than that.

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Collateral damage. 100% acceptable. Momma told you not to get that face tattoo.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

A very, very small percentage of deportees are actually citizens. I’d say it’s less than the amount of illegals that kill and rape our citizens. Way less. So it’s all good, pct wise, right Tim? 

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Way less than % trannies in sports. 

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The implication of the Government’s position is that not only noncitizens but also United States citizens could be taken off the streets, forced onto planes, and confined to foreign prisons with no opportunity for redress if judicial review is denied unlawfully before removal.

The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.

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