Supreme Court repudiates Trump 9-0, says US must facillitate return of man wrongfully deported to El Salvador

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

23 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The implication of the Government’s position is that not only noncitizens but also United States citizens could be taken off the streets, forced onto planes, and confined to foreign prisons with no opportunity for redress if judicial review is denied unlawfully before removal.

The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.

Yeah, that’s what it is.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,098]

Pretty easy to solve.  Subject him to a machete attack from a bad hombre.  If he survives the battle, he’s definitely MS-13 and belongs in El Salvador prison.  

[Herbivore 1,193]

10 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

You can give suspected MS-13 members your concern, that's your choice.  I won't miss a beat for people who fall into that category of both here illegally and suspected MS-13 when our government deports them.  Hopefully for you the government deports enough of these guys before they cause you any harm as they have for so many.  (See, I'm concerned for your well being.  I do have a heart.)

I have only read a little about this story. According to that, the guy fled his country after getting gang threats. Gang members were threating him with violence and kidnapping so as to exthort his parents. he comes here, moves in with his brother, a citizen(?). marries a citizen that has 2 kids, 1 autistic. by all accounts, good step dad, working in construction to support the family. I think the admin is just calling him a ms13 member. he has been here since 2011 with no issue with the law.

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24 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I have only read a little about this story. According to that, the guy fled his country after getting gang threats. Gang members were threating him with violence and kidnapping so as to exthort his parents. he comes here, moves in with his brother, a citizen(?). marries a citizen that has 2 kids, 1 autistic. by all accounts, good step dad, working in construction to support the family. I think the admin is just calling him a ms13 member. he has been here since 2011 with no issue with the law.

I guess we'll find out shortly.  

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10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, that’s what it is.

Holy gaslighting strawman, Batman!!!!

He is neither Psychic nor Observant. 

 

[Fnord 2,490]

12 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The implication of the Government’s position is that not only noncitizens but also United States citizens could be taken off the streets, forced onto planes, and confined to foreign prisons with no opportunity for redress if judicial review is denied unlawfully before removal.

The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.

This is the slippery slope those of us that believe the worst about Trump are most concerned about. There is no evidence this guys was in MS-13 that I'm aware of other than statements made by those that deported him (which was done unlawfully). The feds were ordered to not deport him; they did anyway. He was ordered back by a lower court, and the order was disregarded. Now SCOTUS has weighed in. We'll see what the admin does next.

Theoretically it isn't a stretch IN THE LEAST to watch this unfold and realize how easy it would be for Trump to do this to legitimate American citizens. I'm not claiming he will, but you sure cannot guarantee me that he has no intention of doing so.

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14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/10/politics/supreme-court-abrego-garcia
 

Damn. 9-0. 

Let me know when this Court rules that Trumps use of the Alien Enemies Act was unconstitutional because we aren't at war, or that all of those that were deported have to be returned to have their day in court which they were denied. 

But yes, good job by the court in doing the bare minimum against the blatant power grab by the Executive Branch. 

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Let me know when this Court rules that Trumps use of the Alien Enemies Act was unconstitutional because we aren't at war, or that all of those that were deported have to be returned to have their day in court which they were denied. 

But yes, good job by the court in doing the bare minimum against the blatant power grab by the Executive Branch. 

They ruled in Trump's favor on the Alien Enemies Act on Monday. Habeas Corpus. 

[Horseman 2,684]

Funny Tiny Tim picked this ruling about one guy to make a thread about instead of any of the other rulings they made this week in Trump's favor.  

[The Psychic Observer 498]

14 minutes ago, Fnord said:

This is the slippery slope those of us that believe the worst about Trump are most concerned about. There is no evidence this guys was in MS-13 that I'm aware of other than statements made by those that deported him (which was done unlawfully). The feds were ordered to not deport him; they did anyway. He was ordered back by a lower court, and the order was disregarded. Now SCOTUS has weighed in. We'll see what the admin does next.

Theoretically it isn't a stretch IN THE LEAST to watch this unfold and realize how easy it would be for Trump to do this to legitimate American citizens. I'm not claiming he will, but you sure cannot guarantee me that he has no intention of doing so.

We've seen what happened here and their disregard for this man.  We've heard Trump and Leavitt both say that sending citizens to CECOT is a possibility.  We've seen ICE round up students whose speech disagrees with the admin.  We've seen Trump issue EOs against people he disagrees with, having them investigated and removing freedoms from.  We must remain cautious.

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5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They ruled in Trump's favor on the Alien Enemies Act on Monday. Habeas Corpus. 

No, they did not, they only ruled that those being deported have a right to Habeas Corpus, they made no ruling on the constitutionality of the law, or whether those people being deported under that law actually fall into the category the law defines.

 

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

No, they did not, they only ruled that those being deported have a right to Habeas Corpus, they made no ruling on the constitutionality of the law, or whether those people being deported under that law actually fall into the category the law defines.

 

You want to challenge it, that's how you have to do it bub. Sorry. 

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The court’s 5-4 ruling Monday night requires those challenging Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to rely on a complicated and rarely successful legal process known as habeas corpus, and to potentially file those claims in some of the most conservative federal courts in the nation.

 

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

14 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Funny Tiny Tim picked this ruling about one guy to make a thread about instead of any of the other rulings they made this week in Trump's favor.  

Of course. It’s a 9-0 ruling and I think it’s very important and worth discussing. Feel free to ignore the thread if you don’t. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course. It’s a 9-0 ruling and I think it’s very important and worth discussing. Feel free to ignore the thread if you don’t. 

I'm just sayin the ruling for the Aliens Enemies Act is thousands of times more impactful and important, on the exact same subject, and people like Hancho don't even know it happened.  

[The Psychic Observer 498]

24 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They ruled in Trump's favor on the Alien Enemies Act on Monday. Habeas Corpus. 

This wasn't in Trump's favor.  What they ruled was that they had the right to due process, it just needs to be filed in the state of residence.

[Strike 5,974]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course. It’s a 9-0 ruling and I think it’s very important and worth discussing. Feel free to ignore the thread if you don’t. 

I might believe this if you hadn't misrepresented the SC ruling.  But you do that a lot.  It's why I question your intelligence.  Your reading comprehension skills are very poor.

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5 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

This wasn't in Trump's favor.  What they ruled was that they had the right to due process, it just needs to be filed in the state of residence.

Really?  That's not what CNN is reporting. The in favor judges were all the conservative minus the girl.  It didn't go your way homey.  

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The court’s 5-4 ruling Monday night requires those challenging Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to rely on a complicated and rarely successful legal process known as habeas corpus, and to potentially file those claims in some of the most conservative federal courts in the nation.

Attorney General Pam Bondi said in an interview with Fox News on Tuesday that winning habeas challenges wouldn’t be a heavy lift for the Justice Department.  “It will be a much faster hearing,” Bondi said. “It will be a much smoother, simpler hearing and these people will be deported.”

“It’s hard enough for fluent English speakers to do this,” said Elora Mukherjee, director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School. “These are extremely significant barriers.”

Heidi Altman, vice president of policy at the National Immigration Law Center, said the practical implications of the court’s Alien Enemies Act ruling are significant given how difficult it is for people being detained to access attorneys.  “They’re being handed exactly what they want,” Altman said of the Trump administration. “The very quick erosion of checks and balances.”

 

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All the liberal judges dissented and some how the Geek Club liberals think it wasn't a ruling in Trump's favor.  Full on TDS on display.  

[The Psychic Observer 498]

8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Really?  That's not what CNN is reporting. The in favor judges were all the conservative minus the girl.  It didn't go your way homey.  

let me put it to you in layman terms so you can understand.

The court ruled that the Trump admin can't just round up a bunch of people and send them to an El Salvador prison.  They are entitled to notice and due process.

So whatever Trump did the first time, he can't do it again.

[Horseman 2,684]

10 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

let me put it to you in layman terms so you can understand.

The court ruled that the Trump admin can't just round up a bunch of people and send them to an El Salvador prison.  They are entitled to notice and due process.

So whatever Trump did the first time, he can't do it again.

I thought you twerps didnt want Trump using the Aliens Enimies Act. Boy if you're OK with them using it and having to challenge it through habeas corpus then we're all in agreement. 

Weird the liberal judges dissented, should have been 9-0 if libs are really OK with this, but whatever.  Sounds like a Win-Win. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I thought you twerps didnt want Trump using the Aliens Enimies Act. Boy if you're OK with them using it and having to challenge it through habeas corpus then we're all in agreement. 

Weird the liberal judges dissented, should have been 9-0 if libs are really OK with this, but whatever.  Sounds like a Win-Win. 

What I didn't like about the procedure was that the detainees didn't get due process.  They didn't get notice.  They were swept up in the middle of the night and sent to a foreign prison to die.  I would hope we could all agree that is wrong but it is what Stephen Miller and the admin was arguing for.

At least now they should get due process and a chance for a judge to hear why they are not terrorists.  Should avoid situations like Kilmer Garcia.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

38 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

let me put it to you in layman terms so you can understand.

The court ruled that the Trump admin can't just round up a bunch of people and send them to an El Salvador prison.  They are entitled to notice and due process.

So whatever Trump did the first time, he can't do it again.

He can’t round up a bunch of people? Thanks for laying that down in layman’s terms. You idiot. He want rounding up “a bunch” of people. He had a reason, dipshit. They are just entitled to a court date now after being rounded up. I like when clowns like you think you’re the ones working on a higher level. Lay mans.

[The Real timschochet 7,365]

59 minutes ago, Strike said:

I might believe this if you hadn't misrepresented the SC ruling.  But you do that a lot.  It's why I question your intelligence.  Your reading comprehension skills are very poor.

Bullsh!t. I don’t misrepresent anything. I know exactly where you’re going with this. You’ve read the right wing spin on this decision, the parsing of words, and you like that so you’ve adopted it as gospel and suddenly I’m unintelligent. This is your shtick; you’re full of crap as usual. What I wrote was accurate. This was a repudiation for Trump, a defeat. You don’t get to deport people without due process. That’s the way it is in a free country. If you don’t like it move to a dictatorship already. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

I say give them due process. May be a while. You can wait it out in a detention center or voluntary go on your own. No bail. 

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

I might believe this if you hadn't misrepresented the SC ruling.  But you do that a lot.  It's why I question your intelligence.  Your reading comprehension skills are very poor.

He's a confirmed liar multiple times over.

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15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with you. If the solicitor general says he’s an MS-13 member and he says he isn’t then I assume he probably is. 
 

But “probably” isn’t good enough for our justice system. You gotta prove it in court. Now that should be relatively easy to do, but the Trump Adminstration chose to bypass that step. And I have a real problem with that. I don’t care if this dude is Charles Manson or Pol Pot. We have a system. Don’t you have a problem with this? 

I agree.  The Constitution stands supreme.  i wish that progressives would follow that dictum with regard to not petitioning and supporting activist judges legislating from the bench.  I wish, for instance that if one has a problem with the 2nd amendment that one would seek to change the amendment through the constitutional process rather than the legislatures or the courts, but yes, we have a system and as soon as it is discarded for expedience we really cease to exist as a country.

 

Now as to the individual in question.  He unquestionably broke our law to enter this country.  When he was last adjudicated on that clear violation he stated the reason he needed asylum was that rival gangs would target him if he was returned home.  To me that statement, that he was worried about rival gangs, is an admission that he is a gang member.  It follows logically.  Still, as a court was not asked, yet, to make that logical inference; the man is entitled to due process oveerseen by a judge. Ii don't sanction any executive administration official doing so on just their say so without presenting their argument to the light of day, to the light of reason, to the light of judicial oversight.

[squistion 2,474]

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1910719526766789090

Judge Xinis has denied DOJ's bid to postpone today's hearing on Kilmer Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man who the Trump admin claims was mistakenly deported to El Salvador.  

"Defendants' suggestion that they need time to meaningfully review a four-page Order ... blinks at reality."

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Bullsh!t. I don’t misrepresent anything. I know exactly where you’re going with this. You’ve read the right wing spin on this decision, the parsing of words, and you like that so you’ve adopted it as gospel and suddenly I’m unintelligent. This is your shtick; you’re full of crap as usual. What I wrote was accurate. This was a repudiation for Trump, a defeat. You don’t get to deport people without due process. That’s the way it is in a free country. If you don’t like it move to a dictatorship already. 

I never said he gets to deport people without due process.  The fact that you have no clue how you mischaracterized the decision shows how poor your mental skills are, as I've been pointing out for years.  You do this OVER and OVER.

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25 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

He's a confirmed liar multiple times over.

Absolutely.  I've proven it repeatedly over the years. 

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The hearing that just started should be interesting considering the government's response to the judge's timeline:

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Defendants are unable to provide the information requested by the Court on the impracticable deadline set by the Court hours after the Supreme Court issued its order. The Supreme Court’s order directs the Court to “clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.” Abrego Garcia v. Noem, 25A949, 604 U. S. ____ (2025), Op. at 2. The Court has not yet clarified what it means to “facilitate” or “effectuate” the return as it relates to this case, as Plaintiff is in the custody of a foreign sovereign. Defendants request—and require—the opportunity to brief that issue prior to being subject to any compliance deadlines. Needless to say, Defendants were under no obligation to take action under the court’s order while it was administratively stayed by the Chief Justice of the United States. In light of the insufficient amount of time afforded to review the Supreme Court’s Order following the dissolution of the administrative stay in this case, Defendants are not in a position where they “can” share any information requested by the Court. That is the reality. Defendants received the order late in the evening last night. They are reviewing the order and actively evaluating next steps. It is unreasonable and impracticable for Defendants to reveal potential steps before those steps are reviewed, agreed upon, and vetted. Foreign affairs cannot operate on judicial timelines, in part because it involves sensitive country-specific considerations wholly inappropriate for judicial review.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.59.0_1.pdf

 

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4 hours ago, Herbivore said:

I have only read a little about this story. According to that, the guy fled his country after getting gang threats. Gang members were threating him with violence and kidnapping so as to exthort his parents. he comes here, moves in with his brother, a citizen(?). marries a citizen that has 2 kids, 1 autistic. by all accounts, good step dad, working in construction to support the family. I think the admin is just calling him a ms13 member. he has been here since 2011 with no issue with the law.

When you say "by all accounts", well not according to the government.  I mean you can choose to think the government singled this guy out for a special MS-13 frame job if you want.  It's not impossible, but I'd be interested as to why they'd pick this one guy to have a conspiracy.  

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2 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

When you say "by all accounts", well not according to the government.  I mean you can choose to think the government singled this guy out for a special MS-13 frame job if you want.  It's not impossible, but I'd be interested as to why they'd pick this one guy to have a conspiracy.  

A respected mentor, of sorts, once told me that Government is so inept it cannot conspire to do lunch.  I have found that to be true.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You idiot. He want rounding up “a bunch” of people. He had a reason, dipshit.

He want?  I'm the idiot?

[Herbivore 1,193]

2 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

When you say "by all accounts", well not according to the government.  I mean you can choose to think the government singled this guy out for a special MS-13 frame job if you want.  It's not impossible, but I'd be interested as to why they'd pick this one guy to have a conspiracy.  

by all accounts of people who have shared anything about him other than just claiming he is ms13. they have given no justification as far as i have seen.

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Has the judge been told where this thug is yet? 

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3 hours ago, Herbivore said:

by all accounts of people who have shared anything about him other than just claiming he is ms13. they have given no justification as far as i have seen.

and by "people" we mean his relatives and friends. 

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1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

by all accounts of people who have shared anything about him other than just claiming he is ms13. they have given no justification as far as i have seen.

Our prisons are full of people whose associates and family will vouch for them. Again, I’m not saying it’s impossible. But I wouldn’t expect his friends and family to say anything different. Regardless it looks like we will eventually see 

[Herbivore 1,193]

4 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

Our prisons are full of people whose associates and family will vouch for them. Again, I’m not saying it’s impossible. But I wouldn’t expect his friends and family to say anything different. Regardless it looks like we will eventually see 

for sure, we'll see

[CaptainObvious1 368]

On 4/10/2025 at 9:51 PM, squistion said:

Of course you won't, and no one would ever expect you to be a better person than that.

Oh noes

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1 hour ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Oh noes

I know, it really ruined my day that he would think that of me.