80/20 Issues that are Killing Liberals

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

Here are some of the top issues that the US Population overwhelmingly support, while liberals side with the minority position. Feel free to add to the list.

1. The border and illegal immigration

2. Defund the Police

3. Parental rights in their children’s education

4. Biological Definition 

5. Men in women’s sports 

6. Energy independence 

7. DOGE

8. Drag Queens and Trannies around children 

9. Men menstruating and having babies

10. Trust in the MSM

11. Federal Student Loan Forgiveness 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

No longer being Europes sugar daddy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Rooting out waste fraud and abuse. 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Here are some of the top issues that the US Population overwhelmingly support, while liberals side with the minority position. Feel free to add to the list.

1. The border and illegal immigration

2. Defund the Police

3. Parental rights in their children’s education

4. Biological Definition 

5. Men in women’s sports 

6. Energy independence 

7. DOGE

This is simply wrong in some parts, misleading in others. 
 

1. The public does NOT support Trump’s methods, especially deportation without due process and rounding up non-violent criminals. In fact it’s going 80-20 the other way. 
2. Liberals oppose defunding the police nearly 80-20 as well. 
3. Depends on the specifics. 
4. Not an issue that most people care about. 
5. Probably true but as the economy continues to crater nobody will give a damn. 
6. Depends on the specific. 
7. Like #1, simply wrong on this one. As you will discover the next time there is an election. 

[wolves111 104]

57 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is simply wrong in some parts, misleading in others. 
 

1. The public does NOT support Trump’s methods, especially deportation without due process and rounding up non-violent criminals. In fact it’s going 80-20 the other way. 
2. Liberals oppose defunding the police nearly 80-20 as well. 
3. Depends on the specifics. 
4. Not an issue that most people care about. 
5. Probably true but as the economy continues to crater nobody will give a damn. 
6. Depends on the specific. 
7. Like #1, simply wrong on this one. As you will discover the next time there is an election. 

Well once again you're wrong.

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

6 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Well once again you're wrong.

In this instance the difference between myself and @avoiding injuries is not one of opinion. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Of course no blame for the ones that opened our border causing this chaos. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Of course no blame for the ones that opened our border causing this chaos. 

It's almost like this issue could have been completely prevented, should have been prevented.

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In this instance the difference between myself and @avoiding injuries is not one of opinion. 

We can agree on that. 

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

8. Drag queens and trans shouldn’t be allowed around children 

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9. Men can’t menstruate or have children 

[weepaws 3,148]

Trump wil soon end freedom of speech and the right to own guns.   Sad.  But you all voted.  Shame. 

[jerryskids 6,546]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Trump wil soon end freedom of speech and the right to own guns.   Sad.  But you all voted.  Shame. 

Who did you vote for, dope?

[The Psychic Observer 495]

The most important issue for most people is the economy.

And trump is on the wrong side of that.

[kilroy69 1,215]

4 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

Here are some of the top issues that the US Population overwhelmingly support, while liberals side with the minority position. Feel free to add to the list.

1. The border and illegal immigration

2. Defund the Police

3. Parental rights in their children’s education

4. Biological Definition 

5. Men in women’s sports 

6. Energy independence 

7. DOGE

1-5 for me hit home. I did not vote FOR Trump. I voted against the democrats. I do not care who it is. I likely will never vote democrat again after the shitt they have pulled over the last 10 years. They go out of their way to be on the wrong side of things. Then get super pisssed off when people do not want to follow.  4/5 is something I am never going to get behind with something like 10 nieces/great nieces. The "trust the science" people suddenly are so dumb on this issue. I literally do not care if your name is barny and you want to be called Betsy. Does not matter at all to me. If that is what make YOU happy. Go for it. But understand the world does not bend to YOU. You do no get to go to places women go. You do not get to play sports with women and expect the rest of us to pretend not to notice you are bigger, faster and stronger. That is simply not fair OR safe to women/girls. All of these people that keep coming out to support Trans Athletes never had to compete against them or to have to change in a locker room with them. Funny how that works. Easy to say when you never had to look across as a woman and see some dude you have no chance of beating. 

"oh but only ____ percent of trans athletes play sports. You are blowing it out of proportion." Is that ____ a 0? If not, the percentage is too high. If you believe that anything more than 0 is ok, I can never support anything you do as a party. You actively are trying to put women in danger because of your rabid support of trans people. 

[weepaws 3,148]

40 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The most important issue for most people is the economy.

And trump is on the wrong side of that.

And people voted for that.  Shame. 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

57 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

1-5 for me hit home. I did not vote FOR Trump. I voted against the democrats. I do not care who it is. I likely will never vote democrat again after the shitt they have pulled over the last 10 years. They go out of their way to be on the wrong side of things. Then get super pisssed off when people do not want to follow.  4/5 is something I am never going to get behind with something like 10 nieces/great nieces. The "trust the science" people suddenly are so dumb on this issue. I literally do not care if your name is barny and you want to be called Betsy. Does not matter at all to me. If that is what make YOU happy. Go for it. But understand the world does not bend to YOU. You do no get to go to places women go. You do not get to play sports with women and expect the rest of us to pretend not to notice you are bigger, faster and stronger. That is simply not fair OR safe to women/girls. All of these people that keep coming out to support Trans Athletes never had to compete against them or to have to change in a locker room with them. Funny how that works. Easy to say when you never had to look across as a woman and see some dude you have no chance of beating. 

"oh but only ____ percent of trans athletes play sports. You are blowing it out of proportion." Is that ____ a 0? If not, the percentage is too high. If you believe that anything more than 0 is ok, I can never support anything you do as a party. You actively are trying to put women in danger because of your rabid support of trans people. 

Just to clarify (because I have so much trouble believing it)- is this issue (trans) SO important to you that you prioritize it over the economy, energy, foreign affairs, war, all other issues? 

[kilroy69 1,215]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Just to clarify (because I have so much trouble believing it)- is this issue (trans) SO important to you that you prioritize it over the economy, energy, foreign affairs, war, all other issues? 

How hard is it for you to understand that is the grass roots issue that people vote on? The other things you are talking about are national affairs. I am talking about not voting for something that effects the everyday lives of females. It is ok for you to not take this seriously but there are people out there that do. 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

How hard is it for you to understand that is the grass roots issue that people vote on? The other things you are talking about are national affairs. I am talking about not voting for something that effects the everyday lives of females. It is ok for you to not take this seriously but there are people out there that do. 

OK then. But I think you’re being used and manipulated. I think the politicians  discussing this issue (the ones that claim to agree with you) don’t really give a crap about it. They’re using it because they know it pisses you off and that helps them maintain their power base. 

[kilroy69 1,215]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK then. But I think you’re being used and manipulated. I think the politicians  discussing this issue (the ones that claim to agree with you) don’t really give a crap about it. They’re using it because they know it pisses you off and that helps them maintain their power base. 

Oh. ok. that is completely different from every single issue ever

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Yeah, I miss the Biden foreign policy. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I miss the Biden foreign policy. 

Is that the one where he bent over and took it up the @ss from foreign countries for FOUR straight years, especially Ukraine, and then had to pay THEM  gobs of our money?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Is that the one where he bent over and took it up the @ss from foreign countries for FOUR straight years, especially Ukraine, and then had to pay THEM  gobs of our money?

Thats the one. Doesn’t help when your whole fockin family is getting paid from our adversaries. 

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6 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

1-5 for me hit home. I did not vote FOR Trump. I voted against the democrats. I do not care who it is. I likely will never vote democrat again after the shitt they have pulled over the last 10 years. They go out of their way to be on the wrong side of things. Then get super pisssed off when people do not want to follow.  4/5 is something I am never going to get behind with something like 10 nieces/great nieces. The "trust the science" people suddenly are so dumb on this issue. I literally do not care if your name is barny and you want to be called Betsy. Does not matter at all to me. If that is what make YOU happy. Go for it. But understand the world does not bend to YOU. You do no get to go to places women go. You do not get to play sports with women and expect the rest of us to pretend not to notice you are bigger, faster and stronger. That is simply not fair OR safe to women/girls. All of these people that keep coming out to support Trans Athletes never had to compete against them or to have to change in a locker room with them. Funny how that works. Easy to say when you never had to look across as a woman and see some dude you have no chance of beating. 

"oh but only ____ percent of trans athletes play sports. You are blowing it out of proportion." Is that ____ a 0? If not, the percentage is too high. If you believe that anything more than 0 is ok, I can never support anything you do as a party. You actively are trying to put women in danger because of your rabid support of trans people. 

You should probably get that TDS looked at.

[kilroy69 1,215]

21 minutes ago, gas said:

You should probably get that TDS looked at.

Wow a dismissive liberal. Noooo way. That is SOOOOO rare

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Just to clarify (because I have so much trouble believing it)- is this issue (trans) SO important to you that you prioritize it over the economy, energy, foreign affairs, war, all other issues? 

You’d be a terrible father for a little girl 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

3 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

You’d be a terrible father for a little girl 

It's a really simple answer. The trans thing was pushing us more toward men being in the locker room with girls. Anyone with a daughter and common sense would know that's a massive issue.

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

10. Trusting the media

https://news.gallup.com/poll/651977/americans-trust-media-remains-trend-low.aspx

In 2022 ~76% of Democrats had a “great deal of trust” in the media. That has since lowered to 58%.  
 

Meanwhile, Republicans sit at around 12%, which still seems high. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

14 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Oh. ok. that is completely different from every single issue ever

The guy that wants to spend trillions on the climate agenda and believes all of our systems are racist says you are being used and manipulated. 

[kilroy69 1,215]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The guy that wants to spend trillions on the climate agenda and believes all of our systems are racist says you are being used and manipulated. 

The irony is lost on him. I can assure you of that. 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

53 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

The irony is lost on him. I can assure you of that. 

It sure is, because there isn’t any. 

[kilroy69 1,215]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It sure is, because there isn’t any. 

LOL. love this 

[Voltaire 5,181]

On 4/19/2025 at 3:25 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Just to clarify (because I have so much trouble believing it)- is this issue (trans) SO important to you that you prioritize it over the economy, energy, foreign affairs, war, all other issues? 

No to the economy and war but trans issues are massively motivating. Reasonable people can disagree about climate/energy policy or foreign policy issues like Ukraine or such, I could see voting one way or the other on candidates over such things. But trans is a killer issuer with a glaring red line. People who support it are morally bankrupt and I will never vote for a trans-advocate for any position anywhere ever.

[kilroy69 1,215]

14 hours ago, Voltaire said:

No to the economy and war but trans issues are massively motivating. Reasonable people can disagree about climate/energy policy or foreign policy issues like Ukraine or such, I could see voting one way or the other on candidates over such things. But trans is a killer issuer with a glaring red line. People who support it are morally bankrupt and I will never vote for a trans-advocate for any position anywhere ever.

This. @The Real timschochet you should just admit you are wrong on this issue. If the liberals could just do this they would be so much more palatable.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

52 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

This. @The Real timschochet you should just admit you are wrong on this issue. If the liberals could just do this they would be so much more palatable.

It’s why they are polling in the low twenties. Think about this: AOC and the smelly commie flying in billionaire-funded private planes all over the country and conducting rallies denouncing "Oligarchy". But every American knows, the democratic party is the party of the elites funded by Billionaires and are propped up by the corporate media and our entire education system. 

Normies think that democrats stand for open border, illegal immigration, waste, fraud, and abuse of people's money, censorship, racism, men in women sports, and on and on.. They are really the worst of the worst in representing middle America. That's why dems numbers are at the bottom.

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

2 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

This. @The Real timschochet you should just admit you are wrong on this issue. If the liberals could just do this they would be so much more palatable.

Unfortunately I can’t admit I’m wrong about this issue because I don’t think I am. I believe that trans people should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. I think teenagers should be able to make medical decisions in consultation with their parents and doctors without government interference or restriction, unless public health issues are involved, and in the cases of gender therapy or surgery they are not. I think gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that can lead, if untreated, to suicide; the only treatment to gender dysphoria is therapy and ultimately a sex change operation. I do not believe that a teenager can be talked into gender dysphoria. I do not believe that a straight teenager can be talked into trans or gay. Finally I don’t believe that trans athletes should play in girls sports but it’s a really minor issue to me. 
 

These things I believe based on what I read and understand. If public opinion is 80-20 going the other way I can’t help that. It is what it is. 

[kilroy69 1,215]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Unfortunately I can’t admit I’m wrong about this issue because I don’t think I am. I believe that trans people should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. I think teenagers should be able to make medical decisions in consultation with their parents and doctors without government interference or restriction, unless public health issues are involved, and in the cases of gender therapy or surgery they are not. I think gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that can lead, if untreated, to suicide; the only treatment to gender dysphoria is therapy and ultimately a sex change operation. I do not believe that a teenager can be talked into gender dysphoria. I do not believe that a straight teenager can be talked into trans or gay. Finally I don’t believe that trans athletes should play in girls sports but it’s a really minor issue to me. 
 

These things I believe based on what I read and understand. If public opinion is 80-20 going the other way I can’t help that. It is what it is. 

I believe most of what you said is madness and I think the majority of people do too. I believe we have been caught in an emperor has no clothes situation where everyone was afraid to speak out. Lest they be branded as a transphobe and just not getting it.  I believe we are back on our way to sanity again and it comes from people speaking out and saying this is stupid and just not accepting it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

19 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I believe most of what you said is madness and I think the majority of people do too. I believe we have been caught in an emperor has no clothes situation where everyone was afraid to speak out. Lest they be branded as a transphobe and just not getting it.  I believe we are back on our way to sanity again and it comes from people speaking out and saying this is stupid and just not accepting it. 

Well at least we know where we disagree. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

34 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I believe most of what you said is madness and I think the majority of people do too. I believe we have been caught in an emperor has no clothes situation where everyone was afraid to speak out. Lest they be branded as a transphobe and just not getting it.  I believe we are back on our way to sanity again and it comes from people speaking out and saying this is stupid and just not accepting it. 

Totally normal

 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Totally normal

 

To me that shows that at least some of us have become more accepting, which means some of these kids have become more willing to come out of the closet rather than hide and commit suicide. The numbers were always there; but now it is less hidden. I say that’s a good thing.