Judge Hannah Dugan arrested by FBI for allegedly helping undocumented immigrant 'evade arrest

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19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No it wasn’t shown that. While they didn’t enter the courtroom and they didn’t interfere with this specific case, their presence outside affects all judicial proceedings. Why is this so hard to understand? 

SYSTEMIC courtroom interference!!!

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Nothing spells mangina like ACLU. 

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11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And “egregious” is not the same as illegal. Dugan’s actions were egregious to McCarthy (not to me.) Nonetheless he disapproves of her indictment and predicts she’ll be acquitted. Which is why I linked him. I could just as easily have linked articles by the ACLU, or Andrew Weissman, or dozens of liberal attorneys predicting the same, but if I had done that, most of you here would have ignored it and accused me of bias. I don’t think you can ignore McCarthy. 

Wait...so we can't ignore McCarthy, but YOU can ignore all the other evidence, articles and reports that directly kai-bosh YOUR argument?  GTFO, Tim.

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35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let me offer you a hypothetical. An undocumented immigrant witnesses a child being sexually molested. He goes to the police and turns in the culprit. Now the pedophile is on trial and this undocumented immigrant is the only witness to the crime. But the witness sees this incident (the Hannah Dugan case) in the news. Now he is afraid to testify. Since he was the only witness the case is thrown out and the pedophile freed to commit more crimes. 
 

This is exactly what the ACLU was warning about. It’s what Hannah Dugan recognized and why she should not be prosecuted. Now do you get it? If you still don’t there’s really nothing else I can offer. ICE shouldn’t be outside the courtroom or inside. They shouldn’t be anywhere near it, period. 

The ACLU is full of sh#t and it's a made up argument to try and prove her innocence.  ICE did not interfere with her courtroom at all.  I mean, they could just say "Well, ICE has an office 30 miles away and knowing that it interferes with courtroom proceedings because the defendant is worried about it with them being so close.".  Again, GTFO with your made up nonsense.

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If we are being honest we know that this judge defied the law to serve her personal interests, and she was caught, so now we test the liberal "no one is above the law" propoganda

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No it wasn’t shown that. While they didn’t enter the courtroom and they didn’t interfere with this specific case, their presence outside affects all judicial proceedings. Why is this so hard to understand? 

How exactly does it affect judicial proceedings for a case that is unrelated to what they want?  They are outside the courtroom.  Their issue has nothing at all to do with the case at hand...unless its an immigration case.

Unless you're saying it interferes because judges break the law because they are out there?

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let me offer you a hypothetical. An undocumented immigrant witnesses a child being sexually molested. He goes to the police and turns in the culprit. Now the pedophile is on trial and this undocumented immigrant is the only witness to the crime. But the witness sees this incident (the Hannah Dugan case) in the news. Now he is afraid to testify. Since he was the only witness the case is thrown out and the pedophile freed to commit more crimes. 
 

This is exactly what the ACLU was warning about. It’s what Hannah Dugan recognized and why she should not be prosecuted. Now do you get it? If you still don’t there’s really nothing else I can offer. ICE shouldn’t be outside the courtroom or inside. They shouldn’t be anywhere near it, period. 

This has nothing at all to do with this case.   I you wanna make up hypotheticals to support your absurd position, that's fine.   But that is totally irrevelant to this case.  The perp showed up.  So this argument has no bearing on this case at all.

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The ACLU is full of sh#t and it's a made up argument to try and prove her innocence.  ICE did not interfere with her courtroom at all.  I mean, they could just say "Well, ICE has an office 30 miles away and knowing that it interferes with courtroom proceedings because the defendant is worried about it with them being so close.".  Again, GTFO with your made up nonsense.

Exactly.  This is a dumb argument.  ICE could put out a notice that they are searching for this person.  Is that interference as well?   This is beyond absurd.

I can buy the "they don't wanna show up" BS.  Fine.  But that has literally nothing to do with this case.

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It’s not her courtroom. She thinks it is, but it’s not. 

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17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The indictment itself is already a huge disgrace, a major stain on the Trump Department of Justice. It’s an attempt to intimidate our independent judicial system. 

https://cfce73f5-6016-42c8-9343-fa96f8863f56.usrfiles.com/ugd/cfce73_cce5d7a9c0b84eb2b4f919b12c901e7e.pdf

You are so full of crap. The judicial system doesnt get to just make its own rules. This pos judge broke the law. She deserves everything coming her way. All of it. 

She had the nerve to quickly end this guys hearing for a local crime, just so she could get him tfo the building. 

I hope she gets hit by an illegal immigrant drunk driver and killed just like that poor girl in colorado. 

 

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18 hours ago, supermike80 said:

But Timmy..you know,  the expert in everything, said nothing would come of this 

Given the potential jury pool in the district in which she was indicted, the propensities of judges in that district, and the prosecutor she is likely to draw i imagine she will get off regardless of the facts.

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2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

You are so full of crap. The judicial system doesnt get to just make its own rules. This pos judge broke the law. She deserves everything coming her way. All of it. 

She had the nerve to quickly end this guys hearing for a local crime, just so she could get him tfo the building. 

I hope she gets hit by an illegal immigrant drunk driver and killed just like that poor girl in colorado. 

 

and everyone seems to be forgetting that HIS VICTIMS WERE IN THE COURTROOM WHEN SHE DID IT!

Don't his victims get justice?

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3 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The ACLU is full of sh#t and it's a made up argument to try and prove her innocence.  ICE did not interfere with her courtroom at all.  I mean, they could just say "Well, ICE has an office 30 miles away and knowing that it interferes with courtroom proceedings because the defendant is worried about it with them being so close.".  Again, GTFO with your made up nonsense.

100% made up. There are already allowances in place for this very thing. This is no different than the idiots arguing that if they can deport illegals, then they can deport citizens next!

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Given the potential jury pool in the district in which she was indicted, the propensities of judges in that district, and the prosecuto she is likely to draw i imagine she will get off regardless of the facts.

Yep.  Milwaukee has a long history of letting Democrats get away with all kinds of crimes.  Very corrupt city that is completely full of leftist lemmings.

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

and everyone seems to be forgetting that HIS VICTIMS WERE IN THE COURTROOM WHEN SHE DID IT!

Don't his victims get justice?

The prosecutor wasnt even told. But due process, lol. 

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16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you’re just wrong on this. Here is the ACLU on this exact issue: 

ICE arrests in courthouses gravely impact the willingness of immigrant communities to come forward as victims or witnesses of crimes and seek out help or due process they have a right to. 

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-of-wisconsin-and-aclu-react-to-fbi-arrest-of-milwaukee-judge

Simply put if we allow ICE to go into a courthouse to make an arrest, even if they don’t enter the courtroom, that will cause people fearful of deportation to refuse to testify or go to court. THAT’S the interference. 

You might want to look into U visas whcih give at least temporary protected status to illegals willing to participate in prosecutions.  During my career I helped maybe 2 dozen illegals obtain protected status so as to testify.  True, criminals are unlikely to show up in court, but they were already unlikely to do so.  Witnesses are better served by showing up and making application for the U visas.  The program is widely known by defensde attorneys, prosecutors, lawyers, and judges.  The possibility of such protection is made clear, quite routinely, to witnesses.

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The USG was the largest child trafficker in the world under Joe Biden. Policies that directly lead to the trafficking of children. The Biden admin knew this would happen because they wanted it to. They did nothing to stop it.

https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/1922694242973122575?s=19

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15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It doesn’t matter that he came forward. (Though would he have done so if he knew he’d be arrested?) The point is that others won’t. 
It may not make sense to you but it makes sense to a lot of legal experts. 

Legal experts or partisan advocates who happen to have a law degree.  You say potato, I say horseshit. 

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7 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The USG was the largest child trafficker in the world under Joe Biden. Policies that directly lead to the trafficking of children. The Biden admin knew this would happen because they wanted it to. They did nothing to stop it.

https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/1922694242973122575?s=19

"I state, without reservation..."

He also states it without any corroborating evidence. Maybe you could share some?

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16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

"I state, without reservation..."

He also states it without any corroborating evidence. Maybe you could share some?

Hundreds of thousands of kids are missing from the border. Where are they? Did they all just find their way to loving homes who decided not to report it?

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39 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Given the potential jury pool in the district in which she was indicted, the propensities of judges in that district, and the prosecutor she is likely to draw i imagine she will get off regardless of the facts.

Yup... just like Trump's case in NY.  The jury will be party line.

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24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yup... just like Trump's case in NY.  The jury will be party line.

How convenient of you guys to already assume she will be acquitted only because the system is fixed in her favor, not because this is a sham prosecution…

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56 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

You might want to look into U visas whcih give at least temporary protected status to illegals willing to participate in prosecutions.  During my career I helped maybe 2 dozen illegals obtain protected status so as to testify.  True, criminals are unlikely to show up in court, but they were already unlikely to do so.  Witnesses are better served by showing up and making application for the U visas.  The program is widely known by defensde attorneys, prosecutors, lawyers, and judges.  The possibility of such protection is made clear, quite routinely, to witnesses.

We’re talking here about undocumented immigrants not criminals. Most undocumented immigrants are not criminals and don’t deserve to be treated as such. 

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56 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Legal experts or partisan advocates who happen to have a law degree.  You say potato, I say horseshit. 

Do you regard Michael Luttig as a partisan advocate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Luttig

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

We’re talking here about undocumented immigrants not criminals. Most undocumented immigrants are not criminals and don’t deserve to be treated as such. 

Illegal = criminal

We need to start imposing the death sentence for those here illegally. 

 

 

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Just now, jbycho said:

 

We need to start imposing the death sentence for those here illegally. 

 

 

Curious as to how many people in this forum agree with this lunatic. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Curious as to how many people in this forum agree with this lunatic. 

Only the libtards agree with you. If you are curious, they are easy to find. Start with gutterboy, and then mdc, and then the other tim guy, etc...

And I don't think you are necessarily a lunatic. Mostly just really stupid and easily manipulated. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

How convenient of you guys to already assume she will be acquitted only because the system is fixed in her favor, not because this is a sham prosecution…

He, nor I said she "will" be acquitted, just that it's likely that she will.  There are more facts available in this case than in Trump's, plus more transparency, yet that one wasn't a sham, right?

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

He, nor I said she "will" be acquitted, just that it's likely that she will.  There are more facts available in this case than in Trump's, plus more transparency, yet that one wasn't a sham, right?

It wasn’t. And I don’t agree with you either. 

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you regard Michael Luttig as a partisan advocate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Luttig

He IS a Trump hater, doesn't matter his political affiliation.  I'm willing to bet his tone changes on this if this weren't a Trump administration.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It wasn’t. And I don’t agree with you either. 

Of course not.  LOL  It's why you're wrong a lot.

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23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Curious as to how many people in this forum agree with this lunatic. 

I don't. That's a bit extreme.  A hasty deportation is fine with me if they came here illegally which, in fact, technically makes them a criminal.

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53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

not because this is a sham prosecution…

I guess Trump paying a whooore is more important of a case to pursue??? 

You're a full blown idiot. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Curious as to how many people in this forum agree with this lunatic. 

Not this one.   That's just dumb.  He's being dumb of course.   trolling..Like many do here.

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1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Not this one.   That's just dumb.  He's being dumb of course.   trolling..Like many do here.

It's not dumb. It's decisive and will stop the problem. People have choices in life. Be careful what you choose. 

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@Maximum Overkill  Maybe you need to change the thread title and take out "allegedly".  There were numerous witnesses.  She did it and there is no doubt.

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Dugan's legal team has filed a motion to dismiss: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2025/05/14/hannah-dugan-moves-to-dismiss-obstruction-case-on-judicial-immunity/83624812007/

 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Curious as to how many people in this forum agree with this lunatic. 

The first time you get deported should just be a ticket for nonviolent offender. If they sneak in again, hopefully a few years in that funhouse in el Salvador will cure them of the itch to try a third time.

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9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Dugan's legal team has filed a motion to dismiss: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2025/05/14/hannah-dugan-moves-to-dismiss-obstruction-case-on-judicial-immunity/83624812007/

 

The federalism issue makes sense to me and I would dismiss the case based on this argument (but I am a layman.) 

The immunity argument does NOT make sense to me. In fact it actually troubles me. Though I don’t think Hannah Dugan is guilty of any crime, theoretically a judge COULD commit a crime, and therefore blanket immunity should not apply. (I felt the same way when the Supreme Court recently gave Trump and all future Presidents blanket immunity.) 

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