Trump and The Constitution

[squistion 1,942]

Something has got to give here.

Trump is now saying that he views “due process” — judicial hearings before throwing someone into a foreign dungeon torture site — as unAmerican.

 

[HB Localboy 121]

ILLEGAL ALIENS AREN"T CITIZENS!

 

DEPORT EVERYONE OF THEM NOW!

[The Psychic Observer 495]

He's repeating the same lie that judges want to give everyone a multi week trial.  That is not needed, not what any other president has done deporting illegals.

The usual projection that judges are doing this to feel powerful.

He's on the wrong side of Americans on this issue.  Democracy is still alive and strong.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

 Bruh thinks if we wanted to deport 1 million illegals in a year it could be done giving all of them even a five minute hearing.  It can’t.  This was the plan all along and you’re good with it. 

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Something has got to give here.

Trump is now saying that he views “due process” — judicial hearings before throwing someone into a foreign dungeon torture site — as unAmerican.

 

Hopefully he throws you and your gang in there id lol 

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

99.9% of illegals stopped at the border. An estimated 3 people got in. 
 

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1916483569960079479?s=46

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Going to add this to the Squiztard LIes Tracking thread. 

[HellToupee 1,582]

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1915803671486480712?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

Barack Obama: 75% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

Bill Clinton: 90% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

All the sudden Democrats in 2025 want 100% of illegals to receive Due Process 

 

This

[squistion 1,942]

2 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

He's repeating the same lie that judges want to give everyone a multi week trial.  That is not needed, not what any other president has done deporting illegals.

The usual projection that judges are doing this to feel powerful.

He's on the wrong side of Americans on this issue.  Democracy is still alive and strong.

One would hope so. 

It is a very strange argument people are making that POTUS should be able to pick and choose to whom due process in the Constitution applies.

[jbycho 579]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

One would hope so. 

It is a very strange argument people are making that POTUS should be able to pick and choose to whom due process in the Constitution applies.

Get back to everyone when you actually learn what the constitution is. 

[The Psychic Observer 495]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

One would hope so. 

It is a very strange argument people are making that POTUS should be able to pick and choose to whom due process in the Constitution applies.

Weak people love authoritarians. They worship a "strong" leader.

[jbycho 579]

6 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Weak people love authoritarians. They worship a "strong" leader.

Weak people are stupid and they join liberal cults. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

45 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1915803671486480712?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

Barack Obama: 75% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

Bill Clinton: 90% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

All the sudden Democrats in 2025 want 100% of illegals to receive Due Process 

 

This

Boom!  

F@ck Off, @timschochet, @SaintsInDome2006, @squistion and the rest of you fake outrage mob cultists.,

[jbycho 579]

49 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1915803671486480712?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

Barack Obama: 75% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

Bill Clinton: 90% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

All the sudden Democrats in 2025 want 100% of illegals to receive Due Process 

 

This

It's crazy how stupid liberals are. Thinking other people don't know this stuff. 

[Voltaire 5,181]

Show up at border and try to sneak in undetected.

If caught, ask for due process.

Be released into  the country and wait ten years for the courts to get to your case.

Appeal

Wait another ten years.

Skip hearing.

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 The ideal way things ought to work in a world run by liberals.

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Show up at border and try to sneak in undetected.

If caught, ask for due process.

Be released into  the country and wait ten years for the courts to get to your case.

Appeal

Wait another ten years.

Skip hearing.

-------

 The ideal way things ought to work in a world run by liberals.

I know you aren't saying that we should only follow the Constitution when it's convenient. 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

28 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Boom!  

F@ck Off, @timschochet, @SaintsInDome2006, @squistion and the rest of you fake outrage mob cultists.,

No you f@ck off. Number one I don’t know if any of those numbers are true. Number two if they are true then shame on those Presidents. I didn’t like their immigration policies anyhow. Everyone gets due process. 

[jbycho 579]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you f@ck off. 

 poor Tim guy. Exposed for the human garbage he is. 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

35 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1915803671486480712?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

Barack Obama: 75% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

Bill Clinton: 90% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

All the sudden Democrats in 2025 want 100% of illegals to receive Due Process 

 

This

Boom!  

If a person is deported they’ve received an adjudication, if they haven’t had a hearing they haven’t been deported. Deportation is a proceeding, it’s not a trial & not strictly a traditional hearing, but it’s own thing.

[squistion 1,942]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you f@ck off. Number one I don’t know if any of those numbers are true. Number two if they are true then shame on those Presidents. I didn’t like their immigration policies anyhow. Everyone gets due process. 

I am sure those numbers aren't true and notice that no link has been given to some actual proof that they are correct.

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

Fwiw, & I haven’t heard the audio yet, Clinton & Obama were unafraid to take strong stands on immigration. Biden’s bill was absolutely the right thing to do, still is, but like everything with him it showed no urgency & wasn’t coupled with this kind of enunciated language to the voters.

[Voltaire 5,181]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

I know you aren't saying that we should only follow the Constitution when it's convenient. 

I think the constitution says laws (including border policy) are to be is to be passed by Congress, enforced by the executive branch, and presided over by the judiciary.

I missed the part where the circuit courts, courts which aren't even mentioned in the Constitution, delegate to themselves toe ability to override the both legislative and executive branch and decides who stays and who goes themselves in a total 100% disregard for what the laws passed / enforced by elected officials says.

 

[jbycho 579]

22 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I know you aren't saying that we should only follow the Constitution when it's convenient. 

You may want to get back to the group after you learn about the constitution and our government set up. 

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

13 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I think the constitution says laws (including border policy) are to be is to be passed by Congress, enforced by the executive branch, and presided over by the judiciary.

I missed the part where the circuit courts, courts which aren't even mentioned in the Constitution, delegate to themselves toe ability to override the both legislative and executive branch and decides who stays and who goes themselves in a total 100% disregard for what the laws passed / enforced by elected officials says.

 

It's the part about checks and balances.  And those circuit courts are enforcing the laws provided by the Constitution and those passed by the legislative branches. 

And while you state that the Dem plan is for immigrants to stay in this country for 10 years. Again refer to the border protection bill that Trump urged the GOP Congress to reject(you said it it only took EO to accomplish a few days ago) would have provided millions to hire immigration judges to speed up the court process. 

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Trump’s border crackdown faces hurdles as immigration judges are terminated

As part of broader federal budget cuts, the Senate has advanced legislation to increase funding for border security and immigration enforcement while reducing spending across most other federal agencies. Among the cuts, the Department of Justice has dismissed 28 immigration judges from the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), a move aligned with the president’s goal of shrinking the federal workforce.

Scripps News confirmed that 28 judges were fired, including 13 who had just completed their training and were set to begin hearing cases. One of those judges, Kerry Doyle, along with the others, was notified of the termination during their probationary period — just one day before taking the bench.

Republican Senator James Lankford’s 2024 bipartisan immigration bill would have included $440 million to hire immigration judges and support staff at the Executive Office for Immigration Review.

And every year, there has been an increase in funding to help address the case backlog.

“Each judge handles 500 to 700 cases a year. You can quickly see the cases that will not be heard as the backlog increases. Hiring more immigration judges is essential to achieving the enforcement this president campaigned on,” said Matt Biggs, president of the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers, the union that represents immigration judges.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

39 minutes ago, jbycho said:

You may want to get back to the group after you learn about the constitution and our government set up. 

Dude if I were you I wouldn’t try to lecture anybody else about the Constitution. Since you’ve obviously never read it or understand it at all. lol. 

[jbycho 579]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Dude if I were you I wouldn’t try to lecture anybody else about the Constitution. Since you’ve obviously never read it or understand it at all. lol. 

Isn't that cute. Tim guy always saying stuff without knowing what he's talking about..

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

Wait, the constitution was written for the citizens of other countries too? 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1915803671486480712?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

Barack Obama: 75% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

Bill Clinton: 90% of illegals deported received NO Due Process

All the sudden Democrats in 2025 want 100% of illegals to receive Due Process 

 

This

This doesn’t have anything to do with due process, for Americans, travelers & legal entrants, or illegals.

It is interesting though given how often we’re oft told Dems are responsible for the border crisis when in fact they made urgent National statements just like this and also consistently carried out the same policies as Republicans & sometimes even more effectively. Biden & Obama both deported & removed record numbers, while also adhering to the Constitution. There’s only been one exception to all of this dating back to 1968 when the current INA was passed, it’s the current occupant of the White House.

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wait, the constitution was written for the citizens of other countries too? 

You really don’t know this? 
 

The answer is yes: IF they are currently in this country. Anyone in our country must abide by our laws and receives the protections of our laws. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

You really don’t know this? 
 

The answer is yes: IF they are currently in this country. Anyone in our country must abide by our laws and receives the protections of our laws. 

They can vote? 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They can vote? 

Is that what I wrote? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Is that what I wrote? 

They can arm themselves? 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They can arm themselves? 

I believe the answer to this in most states is yes but I don’t know for sure. I DO know that anyone can engage in a private purchase of a firearm without identification required so effectively the answer is yes. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe the answer to this in most states is yes but I don’t know for sure. I DO know that anyone can engage in a private purchase of a firearm without identification required so effectively the answer is yes. 

Are they entitled to have Miranda rights read to them prior to interrogation? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe the answer to this in most states is yes but I don’t know for sure. I DO know that anyone can engage in a private purchase of a firearm without identification required so effectively the answer is yes. 

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[Strike 5,182]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe the answer to this in most states is yes but I don’t know for sure. I DO know that anyone can engage in a private purchase of a firearm without identification required so effectively the answer is yes. 

Just because someone can purchase a gun privately doesn't make it legal for them to own it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Just because someone can purchase a gun privately doesn't make it legal for them to own it. 

Thats why I wrote effectively yes but that I don’t know for sure. 

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Are they entitled to have Miranda rights read to them prior to interrogation? 

Yep. 
https://www.rosenblumlawlv.com/what-miranda-rights/#:~:text=No%2C Miranda Rights apply to everyone in the U.S.%2C not just citizens. This includes non-citizen residents%2C visitors%2C and undocumented immigrants.

 

[Strike 5,182]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thats why I wrote effectively yes but that I don’t know for sure. 

I thought we were talking about legal things.  If we're going to include anything illegal as well there's no discussion.  Anyone can do anything illegally, EFFECTIVELY.

[The Real timschochet 6,389]

Let’s cut to the chase here: not all rights in the Constitution apply to non-citizens. But the Supreme Court has determined, many times, that almost all civil rights apply: due process, Miranda, habeus corpus, etc. This isn’t up for debate.