Trump's health agency urges therapy for transgender youth, not broader gender-affirming health care

[jbycho 585]

Liberals think sexual choice is equivalent to gender identification. 

How the fock stupid can people get? 

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34 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Liberals think sexual choice is equivalent to gender identification. 

How the fock stupid can people get? 

On this board, stupid is just another jbycho post.   Indeed 

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6 hours ago, jbycho said:

If this is not mental illness, then what is it? 

 

There are many different gender identities, including male, female, transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these.

There are many more gender identities then we’ve listed. Gender can be complex and people are defining themselves. 

 

I am a Swamp Thing hermaphrodite.  The list of genders neveer gets down to me.  I feel so excluded.

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

Sigh. 

We've gone over this.  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027312/

Suicide rates AFTER transitioning from male to female actually increase. Female to male has a similar pattern before and after transitioning. 

 

The suicide rate among those who have already transitioned is directly related to their acceptance, or lack of it,  by their peers. Transitioning is only part of the cure; the other part is society accepting these folks and treating them with decency and respect. As this thread demonstrates, we’ve got a real problem with that second part. But nonetheless if they don’t transition, and simply stay the wrong sex and hidden, they’re even worse off, and impossible to “cure”. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The suicide rate among those who have already transitioned is directly related to their acceptance, or lack of it,  by their peers. Transitioning is only part of the cure; the other part is society accepting these folks and treating them with decency and respect. As this thread demonstrates, we’ve got a real problem with that second part. But nonetheless if they don’t transition, and simply stay the wrong sex and hidden, they’re even worse off, and impossible to “cure”. 

Wrong. Many need serious mental health attention.  And they think transitioning will fix it.  Tgen they find out after it didnt help and they hurt themselves.  This isn't about other people accepting them, its about them accepting themselves.  That's where they need help.

[Reality 3,095]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The suicide rate among those who have already transitioned is directly related to their acceptance, or lack of it,  by their peers. Transitioning is only part of the cure; the other part is society accepting these folks and treating them with decency and respect. As this thread demonstrates, we’ve got a real problem with that second part. But nonetheless if they don’t transition, and simply stay the wrong sex and hidden, they’re even worse off, and impossible to “cure”. 

From 1 lie to the next, you've already been proven a liar with your initial assessment. 

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I think many of them end up with a smelly hole where their junk once was and it depresses them.   Real Tim thinks it’s a swell idea. 

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1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Wrong. Many need serious mental health attention.  And they think transitioning will fix it.  Tgen they find out after it didnt help and they hurt themselves.  This isn't about other people accepting them, its about them accepting themselves.  That's where they need help.

I agree with this take.  The mentally ill have higher suicide rates, it shouldn't be a surprise.

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2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Wrong. Many need serious mental health attention.  And they think transitioning will fix it.  Tgen they find out after it didnt help and they hurt themselves.  This isn't about other people accepting them, its about them accepting themselves.  That's where they need help.

Yes, it's mentioned in many studies. The lifelong health issues alone from these horrible mutilations causes even more depression. 

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The suicide rate among those who have already transitioned is directly related to their acceptance, or lack of it,  by their peers. Transitioning is only part of the cure; the other part is society accepting these folks and treating them with decency and respect. As this thread demonstrates, we’ve got a real problem with that second part. But nonetheless if they don’t transition, and simply stay the wrong sex and hidden, they’re even worse off, and impossible to “cure”. 

This isn't true. 

Suicide rate after transitioning isn't "directly" related to their lack of acceptance. It's related to them realizing that surgeries didn't fix what was wrong, they realize that they are now sterile and want to de-trans, OR they have such intense pain from their surgeries (this happens FREQUENTLY to male to female trans). They also have a higher incidence of depression and PTSD. Which contributes to their suicide rates. They are told that medications, sterility, and surgery will "make them feel better" and many find that this isn't the case. You cannot say that lack of acceptance is THE reason. They need mental help support and medication for the rest of their lives. 

Transitioning is the "cure" they look to for gender dysphoria (another subject that links have been posted about ad nauseam).

Here's another: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/

 

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Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls, the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024, p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the pharyngitis controls.

Conclusion:: Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.

So, let's keep pushing medication, surgeries and other "treatments" on kids so they don't kill themselves....only to have them do it anyways because their new vagina causes them intense pain. 

 

Adding: 

There is ongoing controversy surrounding the benefits of gender-affirmation surgery on mental health [10-20]. This controversy reflects diverse perspectives within the medical and research communities, emphasizing the need for a more comprehensive understanding of the psychological outcomes of gender-affirming procedures. Despite the increasing acceptance of transgender individuals, questions persist about the psychological outcomes of gender-affirming procedures. Responses to the discussion surrounding the benefits of gender-affirmation surgery have been diverse, as evidenced by studies conducted by Branstrom and colleagues [11], Almazan et al. [13], and others [10,14-20].

[Cdub100 3,835]

Good get people real help and not affirmations of their disease

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The suicide rate among those who have already transitioned is directly related to their acceptance, or lack of it,  by their peers. Transitioning is only part of the cure; the other part is society accepting these folks and treating them with decency and respect. As this thread demonstrates, we’ve got a real problem with that second part. But nonetheless if they don’t transition, and simply stay the wrong sex and hidden, they’re even worse off, and impossible to “cure”. 

Suicide rates are statistically the same for people in welcoming and unwelcoming environment.

The rate is so high with these people due to their mental illness. They are sick and need real help.

Losers like you encouraging them to " be loud and proud" aren't helping. 

Honestly it's very sick and twisted the way you and your party push this on confused people including children.

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15 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Suicide rates are statistically the same for people in welcoming and unwelcoming environment.

The rate is so high with these people due to their mental illness. They are sick and need real help.

Losers like you encouraging them to " be loud and proud" aren't helping. 

Honestly it's very sick and twisted the way you and your party push this on confused people including children.

Reminder that Tim said he would bang a tranny, don’t argue with sick people

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On 5/1/2025 at 2:04 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Debunked by who? Not by anyone respectable. Here is UCLA: 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ga-trans-suicide-press-release/

The only ones who believe as you do are anti-trans extremists. 

@TheNewGirlhas already slapped you around with actual studies, but I'll point out that this link is garbage.  Aside from the fact that the Williams Institute is clearly biased, your link has 7 links in it, as if to imply there are a lot of studies supporting their position.  But... every link but one points to the same "study," a self-reporting survey from 10 years ago.

10 years ago we did not have the social contagion we do now.

The seventh references an opinion article, not a study, and that article references... the Williams Institute.