Marvin Harrison Jr.

[ICEMAN 41]

I saw a recent picture of Marvin the other day and it looks like he is going the David Boston route. He looks like he put on 20 pounds of muscle. He looked like a TE!

 

ICEMAN

[Maximum Overkill 1,800]

2 hours ago, ICEMAN said:

I saw a recent picture of Marvin the other day and it looks like he is going the David Boston route. He looks like he put on 20 pounds of muscle. He looked like a TE!

 

ICEMAN

I love Marvin Harrison Jr the player. I just don't trust that little sawed off QB that has to throw it to him. 

He'd have 1800 yards with a real QB who can actually see him. 

 

MAXIMUM OVERKILL 

[Showboat 252]

5 hours ago, ICEMAN said:

I saw a recent picture of Marvin the other day and it looks like he is going the David Boston route. He looks like he put on 20 pounds of muscle. He looked like a TE!

Not sure that will work out any better for MHJ than it did for Mr. Boston.

[nobody 2,595]

So the guy that can't separate added weight probably making him even less quick out of breaks.  Awesome.

[Ray_T 741]

6 hours ago, nobody said:

So the guy that can't separate added weight probably making him even less quick out of breaks.  Awesome.

yeah, that was not what he needed to do.

he should have been working on speed and agility training. 

 

unless he actually wanted to be a TE...... 

[GobbleDog 987]

8 hours ago, nobody said:

So the guy that can't separate added weight probably making him even less quick out of breaks.  Awesome.

Playerprofiler.com bears that out: Harrison's 1.03 yds of separation ranked #107.  

It's not like he needs to be top 10... just better. The best-of-the-best:  Chase (36th), Jefferson (38th), St Brown (15th), Nacua (44th), Thomas Jr. (23rd), Lamb (60th), etc.

[Ray_T 741]

his catch radius makes up for a lot.  dont get me wrong.   but if he could gain even a half yard more separation on average, his numbers would improve dramatically

that said, part of his separation issues is because after the week 2 (or was it week 3?) explosion, he was double covered a LOT.

I dont know how this plays into the separation stats, or if they just include cases where it was single coverage.

It would make sense to throw out all the instances where he was double covered so they are comparing apples to apples when putting him up against other WR.   and maybe a second stat for separation when double covered.

to that end, as I dont know exactly how they come up with the metrics, I really dont know how valid this actually is.

[GobbleDog 987]

28 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I really dont know how valid this actually is.

I don't either. Just look for similar properties the best at that position have (other than pure volume).

Harrison had plenty of double coverage compared to mediocre receivers, but that much more than elites?  I know Chase definitely got his share.

[Ray_T 741]

44 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I don't either. Just look for similar properties the best at that position have (other than pure volume).

Harrison had plenty of double coverage compared to mediocre receivers, but that much more than elites?  I know Chase definitely got his share.

bottom line.... until we know how they put the stats together its tough to really get an idea of how this stat is in terms of a stat where we can use it to rank our WR.

I suppose you could take WR who have roughly the same level of double coverage and compare them....

Then again he was a rookie.  whatever these stats are, I have to believe there will be a year 2 improvement here.   provided the weight gain doesnt slow him down.....

[Maximum Overkill 1,800]

Harrison is a Kyler Murray issue. He was wide open all over the field and Kyler didn't see him half of the time or couldn't make the throw. 

Harrison would have 1800 yards easy with a Joe Burrow 

[GobbleDog 987]

Bottom line... are you excited to draft Harrison at Wr 21 or mid-4th rd? 

Last year he finished Wr 42 in avg pt/gm. That's a pretty big leap. I'll let the gamblers draft him.

[Maximum Overkill 1,800]

16 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Bottom line... are you excited to draft Harrison at Wr 21 or mid-4th rd? 

As a WR2 with WR1+ upside. Let's go!! 

[Ray_T 741]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Harrison is a Kyler Murray issue. He was wide open all over the field and Kyler didn't see him half of the time or couldn't make the throw. 

Harrison would have 1800 yards easy with a Joe Burrow 

I wouldnt necessarily blame Kyler.  it takes time to develop a trust between a pass catcher and a QB.  in key situations there are likely WR he knows what they will do on a certain play.

thats why WR rarely blow up out of the gate.  it usually takes a year or two.  sometimes up to 3 years for that to happen.

be patient.  eventually it will be fine.

[JagFan 152]

He’s no Brian Thomas Jr, that’s for sure.

JAGFAN

[LaChup 232]

Now is the time for Clayton Tune to shine. Soar eagle!

[nobody 2,595]

Can't blame Kyler for missing Harrison the few times he's open.  Kyler probably just got used to getting him off him early as a read since he's such a JAG.

Kyler out there like, "yep, dude blanketed as usual.  Where's Dortch?  He's always open."

[nobody 2,595]

Turned on NFL live for the first time in a year in a half or so.  MHJ bulking up came up.  Of course, the pundits predicted big things for him because God forbid we call a JAG a JAG.

But then they end with... He had 880 yards receiving last year.  Only Brian Thomas had more as a rookie.  I'm all like, "why y'all lying?" Nabers? Bowers? Ladd? 

And before that Kevin Clark said he's only one of 6 rookie wide receivers who had 880 yards and 8 tds in the last 10 years.  Like yeah, bro, they forced him some tds,   conveniently, Ladd, Thomas and Nabers all had 7.  I clocked what you did... Tacking on the notorious high variance td stat to make him look better than he was.  

Turned that shìt right off.