Elon says that Trump is in the Epstein files.

[Sean Mooney 2,004]

25 minutes ago, zsasz said:

The Pedo-Protector speaks with his usual BIDEN DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

Be a man, at least admit that you dont care that Trump is a Pedo.  But to try and defend this after your all out assault on Biden makes you phonier than red hair on a Chinaman.

 

MO is just a dumbazz concern troll on the Internet. Why do you guys give him oxygen? He puts up all these links and Twitter accounts of "child abuse" or poorly edited or out-of-context videos that "prove" Biden is a serial kiddie diddler.

But then when a guy runs for President promising in part to out all of it (which he did) and MO votes for him (which he did) and then the President does d!ck all about it MO decides it is about Biden or tries to gloss over everything. 

MO doesn't care that kids were potentially diddled (whether Trump did it or not- and I still believe he didn't) because his loyalty is to the "R" and to nothing else. He's a pile of garbage with eyes. Either scroll past his stuff or block him and don't give him anymore meat to chew on (like the guys did that he wants his President to protect apparently).

And he will do what he always does- he will ask me a question, or call me a pedo supporter, or something equally stupid....and I'll ignore him. 

[Fnord 2,350]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

MO is just a dumbazz concern troll on the Internet. Why do you guys give him oxygen? He puts up all these links and Twitter accounts of "child abuse" or poorly edited or out-of-context videos that "prove" Biden is a serial kiddie diddler.

But then when a guy runs for President promising in part to out all of it (which he did) and MO votes for him (which he did) and then the President does d!ck all about it MO decides it is about Biden or tries to gloss over everything. 

MO doesn't care that kids were potentially diddled (whether Trump did it or not- and I still believe he didn't) because his loyalty is to the "R" and to nothing else. He's a pile of garbage with eyes. Either scroll past his stuff or block him and don't give him anymore meat to chew on (like the guys did that he wants his President to protect apparently).

And he will do what he always does- he will ask me a question, or call me a pedo supporter, or something equally stupid....and I'll ignore him. 

CANIGETAHALLELUJAH!

Never come across someone that acted so much like a Russia- paid troll. He's a useless, lying sack of crap with no morals, character, or humanity. He is Void.

[Grace Under Pressure 132]

“Trump’s signature was forged!”

Imagine being this gullible, or dumb, or both.

Defend this behavior? Cowards. 

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

10 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

“Trump’s signature was forged!”

Imagine being this gullible, or dumb, or both.

Defend this behavior? Cowards. 

20 years ago, Maxwell created this birthday book for Epstein, and got all of his friends to contribute to it.  But she excluded his best friend, Donald Trump, and instead had someone fake a drawing and those words, and then forge a signature, with the intent to hamper his possible presidential performance in 20 years.  The book sat with the Epstein estate for 20 years for this moment.  It's all very simple and believable.  Trump 2028.

[jerryskids 6,944]

2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

“Trump’s signature was forged!”

Imagine being this gullible, or dumb, or both.

Defend this behavior? Cowards. 

Hmm...

Quote

WSJ Epstein Letter ‘Polar Opposite’ Of Trump’s Writing Style: 3 Forensic Analyses Reach Same Verdict

'Across every significant linguistic and rhetorical category, the style of the note is the polar opposite of Donald Trump's established idiolect.'

A forensic linguistic analysis conducted by three leading AI research systems unanimously concluded there was an “extremely low probability” that a 2003 birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein that included a sketch of a naked woman was authored by President Donald Trump, citing “profound” and “pervasive” deviations from Trump’s documented writing patterns spanning four decades of public and private correspondence.

“The stylistic gulf between the note and Trump’s known communication patterns is not merely a matter of slight variation; it represents a fundamental and pervasive mismatch across nearly every linguistic metric,” one AI research report concluded.

The Wall Street Journal in July obtained a supposedly Trump-signed letter included in a “bawdy” birthday album compiled by Ghislaine Maxwell for Epstein’s 50th birthday. The Journal claims that Trump framed his letter within “the outline of a naked woman,” allegedly writing to Epstein, “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”

On Monday, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee revealed the alleged letter in full after receiving a copy of Jeffrey Epstein’s “birthday book” from his estate. The Journal also published a follow-up report.

The White House celebrated the release of the letter, with Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt writing on X that “it’s very clear President Trump did not draw this picture, and he did not sign it.”

Trump has filed a federal libel lawsuit alleging that the Journal “failed to attach the letter, failed to attach the alleged drawing, failed to show proof that President Trump authored or signed any such letter, and failed to explain how this purported letter was obtained.”

The Daily Wire analyzed the full text of the alleged letter provided by the Journal using the deep research function of three top AI reasoning models: Claude 4.0 Opus Thinking, Perplexity Sonar, and Gemini 2.5 Pro.

Anthropic’s Claude Opus 4.0 model, using 257 sources including Trump’s writings from the 1980s through 2025, concludes that the letter “exhibits multiple linguistic anomalies that diverge sharply from Trump’s established communication patterns across four decades of authentic writings.”

“A comprehensive forensic analysis comparing the letter’s distinctive features against Trump’s documented idiolect from 1980-2025 raises substantial questions about its authenticity,” the report states.

The Claude analysis finds that “phrases like ‘enigmas never age’ and ‘may every day be another wonderful secret’” present in the alleged letter represent “a level of metaphorical sophistication absent from Trump’s authentic corpus.”

However, “The most striking discrepancy lies in the letter’s third-person theatrical dialogue format, where Trump and Epstein engage in an imaginary conversation beginning with ‘Voice Over: There must be more to life than having everything.’ This narrative device contradicts Trump’s consistent first-person, direct communication style,” the report states.

While Trump has referred to himself in the third person in some speeches and tweets over the past decade, it is nearly always in a self-aggrandizing tone, typically addressing his most recent public accomplishments. This same pattern has seldom emerged in Trump’s publicly available written interpersonal exchanges, which never feature a bizarrely intimate and theatrical voiceover.

Google’s Gemini 2.5 Pro model, using 127 sources, determined “a very low probability that Donald J. Trump was the author of the text of the questioned document.”

The Gemini report constructed a table comparing Trump’s idiolect over the past half-century to the Epstein letter, pictured below.

“The pattern that emerges from this comparison is not one of minor variation but of complete inversion,” the report states.

“Across every significant linguistic and rhetorical category, the style of the note is the polar opposite of Donald Trump’s established idiolect,” adding, “Where his style is simple, the note’s is sophisticated. Where he is direct, the note is suggestive. Where he is structurally loose, the note is structurally tight.”

“This consistent pattern of opposition is highly unlikely to be the product of random chance or a momentary stylistic shift,” the Gemini analysis concludes.

Perplexity, using 84 sources, employed forensic linguistics techniques related to “authorship analysis, linguistic fingerprinting, and stylometric methods” to assess the likelihood of Trump writing the letter.

“While forensic linguistic analysis cannot provide absolute certainty, the cumulative evidence indicates the letter was likely not authored by Donald Trump,” the report states. “The linguistic fingerprint analysis supports Trump’s denial of authorship.”

The Perplexity analysis, in line with the Gemini and Claude reports, outlined that Trump’s authentic speech patterns demonstrate a strong preference for direct, rather than abstract language, while the alleged letter in question contains bizarre philosophical musings, such as “may every day be another wonderful secret” — a playful, coy tone notably absent from Trump’s verified communications spanning decades.

“The forensic linguistic analysis reveals substantial inconsistencies between the alleged letter and Trump’s established idiolect,” the report says. “The text demonstrates vocabulary sophistication, syntactic complexity, and philosophical discourse that fundamentally contradict Trump’s well-documented linguistic patterns.

The analysis also noted Trump’s distinctive pattern of using the first-person perspective, with frequent self-references and direct statements.

In contrast, the letter features a script-like structure, complete with character names (“Donald: “, “Jeffrey:”) and a stage direction (“Voice Over:”) — a dramatic narrative structure never observed in Trump’s personal or business writings.

“The absence of Trump’s characteristic linguistic markers, combined with the presence of sophisticated vocabulary and complex dialogue structure, strongly suggests non-authorship,” the Perplexity report concludes.

The Daily Wire’s analysis utilized an objective prompt for all three AI systems, instructing them to “do a forensic linguistic analysis of the alleged note Trump sent to Epstein in the attached PDF, compared to Trump’s established idiolect.”

To test the robustness of their initial findings, the models were also asked to argue the opposite case — to “prove [the letter] was written by Donald J. Trump.”

Even when prompted to find evidence of Trump’s authorship, all three systems could only point to circumstantial factors, such as Trump’s history of sketching and his past association with Epstein. The linguistic evidence itself remained overwhelmingly against Trump’s authorship, with Gemini noting the letter “lacks many of Trump’s most common verbal tics.”

Perplexity went further, refusing to manufacture a case for Trump’s authorship.

“I cannot and will not manufacture or selectively present evidence to support a predetermined conclusion, especially when the available evidence points in the opposite direction,” it wrote. “This would constitute the creation of misinformation and would violate basic journalistic integrity.”

The analyses acknowledge that Trump has occasionally used words like “enigma” in some books, such as “Trump: Surviving at the Top” in 1990 and “Trump: How to Get Rich” in 2004, both of which were ghostwritten. Even if taken at face value, Claude’s report notes that such isolated word choices simply cannot override the comprehensive stylistic disparities between the letter and Trump’s authentic writing.

Three independent AI forensic analyses reached the same conclusion: the letter’s authorship is fundamentally inconsistent with Trump’s documented writing patterns, supporting President Trump’s denial of authorship.

“The Wall Street Journal, and Rupert Murdoch, personally, were warned directly by President Donald J. Trump that the supposed letter they printed by President Trump to Epstein was a FAKE and, if they print it, they will be sued,” the president said in a Truth Social post.

Trump’s federal libel lawsuit targets Dow Jones, News Corp, Rupert Murdoch, and two Wall Street Journal reporters.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/wsj-epstein-letter-polar-opposite-of-trumps-writing-style-3-forensic-analyses-reach-same-verdict?utm_content=14900901&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=iterable

He obviously didn't write it.  Was it dropped in front of him to sign?  Maybe.  Probably.  Trump$#@!   

[Meglamaniac 684]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hmm...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/wsj-epstein-letter-polar-opposite-of-trumps-writing-style-3-forensic-analyses-reach-same-verdict?utm_content=14900901&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=iterable

He obviously didn't write it.  Was it dropped in front of him to sign?  Maybe.  Probably.  Trump$#@!   

Must be a MAGA source so not beleivable

amiright

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hmm...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/wsj-epstein-letter-polar-opposite-of-trumps-writing-style-3-forensic-analyses-reach-same-verdict?utm_content=14900901&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=iterable

He obviously didn't write it.  Was it dropped in front of him to sign?  Maybe.  Probably.  Trump$#@!   

How did it get in the birthday book 20 years ago?

Also you know that I can write two things and have AI say I didn't, right?

[MDC 7,632]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hmm...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/wsj-epstein-letter-polar-opposite-of-trumps-writing-style-3-forensic-analyses-reach-same-verdict?utm_content=14900901&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=iterable

He obviously didn't write it.  Was it dropped in front of him to sign?  Maybe.  Probably.  Trump$#@!   

The White House says he didn’t sign it either.

[jerryskids 6,944]

33 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Must be a MAGA source so not beleivable

amiright

Of course.  Three top AI tools are all MAGA as well.  Winning!

[jerryskids 6,944]

31 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How did it get in the birthday book 20 years ago?

Also you know that I can write two things and have AI say I didn't, right?

It got into the book because his admin sent it to Ghislane or whoever.

The last sentence is hilarious.  20-year-ago Trump wrote in a completely different style to throw off future AI tools when he would become president.  That's some 987-D chess right there.   

[jerryskids 6,944]

28 minutes ago, MDC said:

The White House says he didn’t sign it either.

I don't know for sure, I'm guessing he signed it.  To deny it is a very Trump thing to do though, like with Stormy.  Something, maybe his narcissism, makes him a chronic denier.   

[Meglamaniac 684]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It got into the book because his admin sent it to Ghislane or whoever.

The last sentence is hilarious.  20-year-ago Trump wrote in a completely different style to throw off future AI tools when he would become president.  That's some 987-D chess right there.   

Trump obviously has a time machine

[MDC 7,632]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't know for sure, I'm guessing he signed it.  To deny it is a very Trump thing to do though, like with Stormy.  Something, maybe his narcissism, makes him a chronic denier.   

Trump is a narcissist and he knows % of his supporters will make excuses for him no matter what.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,662]

#ibelievehim. So many false attacks against the man. I’m playing the odds. 

[Sandy Loam 276]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

MO is just a dumbazz concern troll on the Internet. Why do you guys give him oxygen? He puts up all these links and Twitter accounts of "child abuse" or poorly edited or out-of-context videos that "prove" Biden is a serial kiddie diddler.

But then when a guy runs for President promising in part to out all of it (which he did) and MO votes for him (which he did) and then the President does d!ck all about it MO decides it is about Biden or tries to gloss over everything. 

MO doesn't care that kids were potentially diddled (whether Trump did it or not- and I still believe he didn't) because his loyalty is to the "R" and to nothing else. He's a pile of garbage with eyes. Either scroll past his stuff or block him and don't give him anymore meat to chew on (like the guys did that he wants his President to protect apparently).

And he will do what he always does- he will ask me a question, or call me a pedo supporter, or something equally stupid....and I'll ignore him. 

I've got him and Peefoam on ignore, and it's great. All they post is childish, unintelligent drivel. They add zero value to the forum. Quite the opposite, actually.

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It got into the book because his admin sent it to Ghislane or whoever.

The last sentence is hilarious.  20-year-ago Trump wrote in a completely different style to throw off future AI tools when he would become president.  That's some 987-D chess right there.   

So you're saying Trump's admin wrote it and forged his signature without Trump knowing about it? 

Also I was simply pointing out the inherent flaw of AI, not suggesting that Trump tried to trick AI before AI was even a thing, obviously.

[jerryskids 6,944]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So you're saying Trump's admin wrote it and forged his signature without Trump knowing about it? 

Also I was simply pointing out the inherent flaw of AI, not suggesting that Trump tried to trick AI before AI was even a thing, obviously.

Please stop wasting my time and read my posts about Trump's signature.

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Please stop wasting my time and read my posts about Trump's signature.

OK so admin wrote it, you guess he signed it.  Is that any better?  He signed a pic of a pre pubescent girl outline talking about how he shares the same interests as Epstein and they have a wonderful secret.  You're ok with this?

[jerryskids 6,944]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

OK so admin wrote it, you guess he signed it.  Is that any better?  He signed a pic of a pre pubescent girl outline talking about how he shares the same interests as Epstein and they have a wonderful secret.  You're ok with this?

Did I say he read it?

Also, looks like a woman's outline to me:

I know you are at DEFCON 1 TDS and beyond rational discussion, but can't you find something more important to complain about Trump.  Tariffs?  Being mean to illegal aliens?  Letting Israel kill terrorists?

[Meglamaniac 684]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Did I say he read it?

Also, looks like a woman's outline to me:

I know you are at DEFCON 1 TDS and beyond rational discussion, but can't you find something more important to complain about Trump.  Tariffs?  Being mean to illegal aliens?  Letting Israel kill terrorists?

Too much makeup

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Did I say he read it?

Also, looks like a woman's outline to me:

I know you are at DEFCON 1 TDS and beyond rational discussion, but can't you find something more important to complain about Trump.  Tariffs?  Being mean to illegal aliens?  Letting Israel kill terrorists?

It's more fun to watch Trump cultists like you bend over backwards defending a pedo and rapist.

Let's continue, so the admin drew the picture, the admin typed up the text, and the admin gave it to Donald to sign and showed him where to sign it, but he never read it, he just signed some creepy pic.  Do I have that right?  That's your story?

You know if you had any dignity you could just admit that Trump is at the very least a creep, but keep deflecting here, it's entertaining.

[jerryskids 6,944]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's more fun to watch Trump cultists like you bend over backwards defending a pedo and rapist.

Let's continue, so the admin drew the picture, the admin typed up the text, and the admin gave it to Donald to sign and showed him where to sign it, but he never read it, he just signed some creepy pic.  Do I have that right?  That's your story?

You know if you had any dignity you could just admit that Trump is at the very least a creep, but keep deflecting here, it's entertaining.

The only question is to what extent he read it.  I'm sure he knew enough about his buddy to know an outline of a naked woman wouldn't be out of place. To what extent he read, absorbed, parsed, edited the text, I can't say.  Donald is definitely a detail guy though, so I'm sure he went over every word with a fine-toothed comb.    

I had to google to make sure DEFCON 1 is the highest level.  Because you seem at DEFCON 0.  

I haven't read all this thread:  I presume you've provided an intelligent reason why Biden and Harris had the Epstein files for four years, including a contentious election, and never leaked all the bad stuff about Trump therein?  

[Meglamaniac 684]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The only question is to what extent he read it.  I'm sure he knew enough about his buddy to know an outline of a naked woman wouldn't be out of place. To what extent he read, absorbed, parsed, edited the text, I can't say.  Donald is definitely a detail guy though, so I'm sure he went over every word with a fine-toothed comb.    

I had to google to make sure DEFCON 1 is the highest level.  Because you seem at DEFCON 0.  

I haven't read all this thread:  I presume you've provided an intelligent reason why Biden and Harris had the Epstein files for four years, including a contentious election, and never leaked all the bad stuff about Trump therein?  

Standard answer is 'that doesn't matter'

[jerryskids 6,944]

4 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Standard answer is 'that doesn't matter'

I recall asking this before.  Somebody tried a weak sauce answer like "they didn't want to release all the names because of too many powerful people," as if the US government lacks the ability to leak some info and keep other info back.

There really is only one rational answer.  The Party of Science doesn't like it though, hence the reason the letter is all that matters.  The usual suspects do seem to love getting gaslit about it.

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The only question is to what extent he read it.  I'm sure he knew enough about his buddy to know an outline of a naked woman wouldn't be out of place. To what extent he read, absorbed, parsed, edited the text, I can't say.  Donald is definitely a detail guy though, so I'm sure he went over every word with a fine-toothed comb.    

I had to google to make sure DEFCON 1 is the highest level.  Because you seem at DEFCON 0.  

I haven't read all this thread:  I presume you've provided an intelligent reason why Biden and Harris had the Epstein files for four years, including a contentious election, and never leaked all the bad stuff about Trump therein?  

 BIDEN!@#$

I have no idea what or why Biden did or didn't release, what was available for him to release.  I do know that most of the data was unsealed in 2024 from the Maxwell case, and by then Biden was a vegetable, right?  Look you wanna go after Biden be my guest.  Indict him, subpoena him, I don't care.

Let's work with what we know now.  Bondi said she had a list on her desk for release, then we learned there was no list and the case was closed.  Lawmakers are trying to get the DOJ to release what they have, they refuse.  Republicans are actively blocking the release of the files.  Why is that?  Why is your party covering up child rape and trafficking?  This is what you voted for.  Time to own it.

 

[jerryskids 6,944]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

 BIDEN!@#$

I have no idea what or why Biden did or didn't release, what was available for him to release.  I do know that most of the data was unsealed in 2024 from the Maxwell case, and by then Biden was a vegetable, right?  Look you wanna go after Biden be my guest.  Indict him, subpoena him, I don't care.

Let's work with what we know now.  Bondi said she had a list on her desk for release, then we learned there was no list and the case was closed.  Lawmakers are trying to get the DOJ to release what they have, they refuse.  Republicans are actively blocking the release of the files.  Why is that?  Why is your party covering up child rape and trafficking?  This is what you voted for.  Time to own it.

 

And Harris.  And whoever was running the country.  And the DNC.  Not everyone in the White House was a vegetable.

I think your TDS has broken your brain.    Meanwhile, enjoy chasing the butterfly!   

[jerryskids 6,944]

14 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Standard answer is 'that doesn't matter'

Also... nailed it.   

[Meglamaniac 684]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Also... nailed it.   

Every time and then its the rant about covering up rapist and trafficers

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And Harris.  And whoever was running the country.  And the DNC.  Not everyone in the White House was a vegetable.

I think your TDS has broken your brain.    Meanwhile, enjoy chasing the butterfly!   

I love the TDS excuse. 

"No, I'm always right, I don't have to look at myself, I don't have to think or re-examine my positions, it's you, you are just deranged.  Trump is great and if you don't agree than you have a disease.  It's all very simple and believeable.  Dear Leader would never lie to me."

Whatever you need to look in the mirror and accept that Trumpedo is covering up a child sex ring and you're OK with it.

[Maximum Overkill 2,219]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I love the TDS excuse. 

"No, I'm always right, I don't have to look at myself, I don't have to think or re-examine my positions, it's you, you are just deranged.  Trump is great and if you don't agree than you have a disease.  It's all very simple and believeable.  Dear Leader would never lie to me."

Whatever you need to look in the mirror and accept that Trumpedo is covering up a child sex ring and you're OK with it.

Any new news? You're boring us  

[Ron_Artest 1,818]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Any new news? You're boring us  

Stupid Chuck Schumer tried something today to get the files released, probably won't work though because Schumer is useless, but hey at least hes trying to support the victims against Trump and Republicans and you.

[jerryskids 6,944]

43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I love the TDS excuse. 

"No, I'm always right, I don't have to look at myself, I don't have to think or re-examine my positions, it's you, you are just deranged.  Trump is great and if you don't agree than you have a disease.  It's all very simple and believeable.  Dear Leader would never lie to me."

Whatever you need to look in the mirror and accept that Trumpedo is covering up a child sex ring and you're OK with it.

Good point.  A much more rational position, in the face of the arguments I've presented, is to have concluded already that since you know Trump is a pedo, he's guilty of all the butterflies that the MSDNC is flitting at you, so your rebuttal is that I just believe whatever my Dear Leader says and support his covering up a child sex ring.   

[jerryskids 6,944]

52 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Every time and then its the rant about covering up rapist and trafficers

Dang, you are en fuego today.  Any chance you'll let me in on the Powerball numbers?   

52 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I love the TDS excuse. 

"No, I'm always right, I don't have to look at myself, I don't have to think or re-examine my positions, it's you, you are just deranged.  Trump is great and if you don't agree than you have a disease.  It's all very simple and believeable.  Dear Leader would never lie to me."

Whatever you need to look in the mirror and accept that Trumpedo is covering up a child sex ring and you're OK with it.

 

[Meglamaniac 684]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Dang, you are en fuego today.  Any chance you'll let me in on the Powerball numbers?   

 

If only the Powerball was has predictable as Gutter

[lickin_starfish 1,962]

This work of fantasy was probably signed with the autopen.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,662]

5 hours ago, Sandy Loam said:

I've got him and Peefoam on ignore, and it's great. All they post is childish, unintelligent drivel. They add zero value to the forum. Quite the opposite, actually.

You talk about them most days.