kilroy69 1,251 Posted June 14 13 hours ago, Meglamaniac said: Reports are leaking out that the pilot cycled up the flaps instead of the landing gear The landing gear was never up so that would track if he thought he cycled up the landing gear. It also seems like a very rookie mistake. Also. Imagine being the only person to walk away from that shitt. ONE person. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 398 Posted June 14 On 6/12/2025 at 3:29 PM, supermike80 said: I can't tell from the video whether the flaps were down. That seems to be the case is many of these types of crashes when the plane doesn't get lift quick enough. God I hope that isn't true. But could be a pilot error thing. Which is a damn shame Whenever one of these things comes up where the slats/flaps are suspected the Northwest Detroit crash comes up. One of the guys I used to work with, his daughter was friends with the sole surviving girl from that flight. She was raised locally by her aunt and uncle. They shielded her from the press while she grew up. The only interview I ever know of her giving was to a documentary a few years back. Supposedly this plane was supposed to be "smart" enough to not allow that type error. However if it is that same cause, very ironic it would also perhaps have only a sole survivor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,251 Posted June 14 Lift vs. Power – What Really Happened to AI171? | Captain Steeeve Reacts this guy does a great breakdown of what he thinks happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,618 Posted June 14 I went down a plane crash rabbit hole a few years ago and 99.99% of crashes were either pilot error or bad maintenance which is comforting and discomforting at the same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 997 Posted June 14 27 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: Lift vs. Power – What Really Happened to AI171? | Captain Steeeve Reacts this guy does a great breakdown of what he thinks happened. Interesting. Here's the cliff notes: Pilot told co-pilot to lift landing gear, but dot-head raised the flaps instead. Never fly with Apu. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,270 Posted June 14 So weird https://x.com/wokeflix_/status/1933759075222724694?s=19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,898 Posted June 14 3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: So weird https://x.com/wokeflix_/status/1933759075222724694?s=19 Seek help please 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 282 Posted June 14 8 hours ago, kilroy69 said: The landing gear was never up so that would track if he thought he cycled up the landing gear. It also seems like a very rookie mistake. Also. Imagine being the only person to walk away from that shitt. ONE person. A pilot was on last night dissecting the takeoff and said all looked normal at first, then he said wheels are raised right away when plane is 30-50 feet off the ground to reduce drag. This plane never raised the landing gear. So very possible a tragic mistake was made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,556 Posted June 14 They have the black box. Should be easy to figure out what happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious1 368 Posted June 14 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: They have the black box. Should be easy to figure out what happened. It crashed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,117 Posted June 14 5 hours ago, CaptainObvious1 said: It crashed Username checks out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,509 Posted June 14 18 hours ago, BLS said: Wai Tu Lowe Who are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 997 Posted July 16 Latest report was three seconds after lift-off, one of the pilots flipped a fuel switch to the cutoff position, then one second later - the other fuel switch. One pilot reportedly asked "why did you turn off the fuel?" to which the other said he didn't. The fuel was then turned back on, but too late - one engine reignited just as it went down. A commercial pilot on Youtube who's followed the crash said it's impossible to accidentally turn them off due to the complex design of the switches and concludes ... suicide. The real question is - they keep voice recorders and sensor recorders on the black-box.... why the hell in 2025 do they not have video in the c0ck-pits? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,563 Posted July 16 57 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: Latest report was three seconds after lift-off, one of the pilots flipped a fuel switch to the cutoff position, then one second later - the other fuel switch. One pilot reportedly asked "why did you turn off the fuel?" to which the other said he didn't. The fuel was then turned back on, but too late - one engine reignited just as it went down. A commercial pilot on Youtube who's followed the crash said it's impossible to accidentally turn them off due to the complex design of the switches and concludes ... suicide. The real question is - they keep voice recorders and sensor recorders on the black-box.... why the hell in 2025 do they not have video in the c0ck-pits? Unions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,472 Posted July 16 48 minutes ago, Strike said: Unions. In India? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,563 Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: In India? I have no idea. What I do know is that most other countries are worse than the U.S. when it comes to air safety. In particular, third world countries. It's not likely a third world country is going to require cameras in the cockpit before a first world country. And what has held it up here is Unions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 997 Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Strike said: I have no idea. What I do know is that most other countries are worse than the U.S. when it comes to air safety. In particular, third world countries. It's not likely a third world country is going to require cameras in the cockpit before a first world country. And what has held it up here is Unions. Guarantee c0ckpit video will be required on European airlines long before the US ever requires it. The FAA is toothless - they enforce whatever is on the books, but their suggestions fall on the airlines deaf ears. Like 9/11.... many European airlines had been required to lock c0ckpit doors for years, for fear of hijacking or a major attack.... not the US. It's law now - but should've been law decades ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,563 Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: Guarantee c0ckpit video will be required on European airlines long before the US ever requires it. The FAA is toothless - they enforce whatever is on the books, but their suggestions fall on the airlines deaf ears. Like 9/11.... many European airlines had been required to lock c0ckpit doors for years, for fear of hijacking or a major attack.... not the US. It's law now - but should've been law decades ago. I don't disagree with you about the cockpit doors. And I have no idea whether video will be required in Europe before the US. But you're wrong about the FAA being toothless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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