Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

he is the best, all the inferring and surmising.

With the bonus of ChatGPT written gibberish

[seafoam1 3,020]

3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

he is the best, all the inferring and surmising.

The liberals are out whining early again today. Shocking...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

50 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

RLLD is best read as a parody account at this point. 

Unoriginal. What a hack. 

[RLLD 4,230]

56 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

ha, evenly, sure.

Correct. This move is anathema to most, who ebb and flow. That is not to say I do not have a few areas where I diverge, I oppose murder but I support abortion, its a duality I live with.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

52 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I said we should stay out of it. You said "I'm surprised you are in lock step with Trump." I said I'm not in lock step because he isn't staying out of it and his comments indicate he isn't staying out of it. You said "You are adding your own thoughts..." and this was AFTER I quoted Trump's own words. 

If Trump had said after the bombing "Let's work this out so this doesn't happen again..." fine. We are staying out of the combat and trying to play peacemaker. That isn't what Trump did though. You refuse to see that though because your head is so far up your own rear end you are cutting off oxygen to your brain. Throw whatever barbs you want at me but you are unable to see reality because your devotion won't let you see anything else. 

The one scenario had nothing to do with the other when you outright quoted Gutfield on here and passed it off as your own. That isn't "applying philosophy evenly." It's spouting the last thing you saw on FOX News.

People see through you at this point. You've ruined your own reputation here. I just gave you enough rope to hang yourself with. 

lol. Mooney setting traps, giving people enough rope. He’s a message board Svengali.

[RLLD 4,230]

51 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I said we should stay out of it. You said "I'm surprised you are in lock step with Trump." I said I'm not in lock step because he isn't staying out of it and his comments indicate he isn't staying out of it. You said "You are adding your own thoughts..." and this was AFTER I quoted Trump's own words. 

If Trump had said after the bombing "Let's work this out so this doesn't happen again..." fine. We are staying out of the combat and trying to play peacemaker. That isn't what Trump did though. You refuse to see that though because your head is so far up your own rear end you are cutting off oxygen to your brain. Throw whatever barbs you want at me but you are unable to see reality because your devotion won't let you see anything else. 

The one scenario had nothing to do with the other when you outright quoted Gutfield on here and passed it off as your own. That isn't "applying philosophy evenly." It's spouting the last thing you saw on FOX News.

People see through you at this point. You've ruined your own reputation here. I just gave you enough rope to hang yourself with. 

You WERE in lock step with Trump as up to that point, which I clearly documented....the WH stance was concurrent with your own. I noticed, so I pointedly sought to see if you would admit it and finally say "OK, yeah, they are doing something I agree with...." I didn't think your hate would allow you to admit you and they agreed, even when you got what you wanted....

I wanted to highlight that about you, and I did, successfully....after repeated attempts you still could not bring yourself to it...your hate caused you to even step back from what you really wanted.

 

THAT...was the point.....  now I get that you are butthurt over this and lashing out. But do not think for a moment I am going to relent on it, no, I will make sure folks see you for the coward you are.

[TimHauck 2,868]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I disagree with @RLLD almost all the time but I think you’re pushing it a little bit here. Despite Trump’s social media “we” the USA isn’t involved- at least not yet. There’s no US planes in the air, US pilots, drones etc. it’s all Israeli. And Rubio did make a pretty clear statement. 
 

Trump is being confusing but that’s his deal. Who the hell knows? 

The post specifically talked about how Israel was using our equipment and that “more was coming.”

@RLLD was proven wrong within a couple of hours, per usual (well usually even quicker)

[thegeneral 3,209]

Three Sheets handed the wheel over to an Iran hawk

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, TimHauck said:

The post specifically talked about how Israel was using our equipment and that “more was coming.”

@RLLD was proven wrong within a couple of hours, per usual (well usually even quicker)

This is a lie

[Grace Under Pressure 113]

58 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That isn't what Trump did though. You refuse to see that though because your head is so far up your own rear end you are cutting off oxygen to your brain. Throw whatever barbs you want at me but you are unable to see reality because your devotion won't let you see anything else.

This is true for all of MAGA. Dumbest President, a traitor to the United States and our allies. MAGA are cult followers so can’t see the truth. Too busy “pwning the libs!” or whatever other stupidity, like complaining about some tranny somewhere that they’ll never meet. 

[seafoam1 3,020]

Just now, RLLD said:

This is a lie

Timhack. He posted on this site that he showered with his 8 year old daughter and that it's no big deal. That was in defense of joe biden being called out by his daughter saying she used to hide from joe for wanting to keep from showering with her. What else can you say? 

[seafoam1 3,020]

1 minute ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

This is true for all of MAGA. Dumbest President, a traitor to the United States and our allies. MAGA are cult followers so can’t see the truth. Too busy “pwning the libs!” or whatever other stupidity, like complaining about some tranny somewhere that they’ll never meet. 

rusty is hurting again today. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. 
 

I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Timhack. He posted on this site that he showered with his 8 year old daughter and that it's no big deal. That was in defense of joe biden being called out by his daughter saying she used to hide from joe for wanting to keep from showering with her. What else can you say? 

I don't know anything about that.

I do know in addition to being a liar @TimHauck is a coward who acts in bad faith. I want anyone reading anything this choad might post to start from that place.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You WERE in lock step with Trump as up to that point, which I clearly documented....the WH stance was concurrent with your own. I noticed, so I pointedly sought to see if you would admit it and finally say "OK, yeah, they are doing something I agree with...." I didn't think your hate would allow you to admit you and they agreed, even when you got what you wanted....

I wanted to highlight that about you, and I did, successfully....after repeated attempts you still could not bring yourself to it...your hate caused you to even step back from what you really wanted.

 

THAT...was the point.....  now I get that you are butthurt over this and lashing out. But do not think for a moment I am going to relent on it, no, I will make sure folks see you for the coward you are.

Go back to page 4- I said we should stay out of it but that Trump's own comments were not staying out of it and he was implicitly picking a side. You said "Rubio was definitive." I showed Trump's own comments where he undercut what Rubio said. You said that was me putting my thoughts into Trump's mouth.

You refused to accept that. 

Your devotion won't allow you to criticize Trump. Your Gutfield and FOX News devotion is too overpowering as well. 

You were wrong yet again. I proved you wrong numerous times so you are flailing now at this point and trying to change the parameters of the discussion. I won't let you. Had Trump stayed out of it I would've gladly said he was doing the right thing. But you didn't like the nuance in that I pointed out he was not staying out of it so you put your outfit on to white knight. And then I proved you wrong numerous times in the thread.

Deal with it you mental midget

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. 
 

I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision. 

If the goal is to start a war with Iran....then by all means do it.

If the goal is to lower the temperature there and come to an actual solution then do not authorize a bombing

[seafoam1 3,020]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. 
 

I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision. 

Has there been ANY opposition to what Israel is doing? Not a word from around the world other than simple statements here and there. EVERY nation in the world wants to keep Iran from having nuclear capability. And as always, they look to the US to provide the solution. 

I say bomb the hell out of Iran until they are back to square 1.  And then bomb them again. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct. This move is anathema to most, who ebb and flow. That is not to say I do not have a few areas where I diverge, I oppose murder but I support abortion, its a duality I live with.

sure ray, act like that wasnt sarcasm

[TimHauck 2,868]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is a lie

What specifically was a lie?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

What specifically was a lie?

95% of what RLLD says is a lie. 

[seafoam1 3,020]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

95% of what RLLD says is a lie. 

Day off from babysitting? Or are they napping? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

Iran is incapable of having a “war” with the United States. We bomb them and the best they can do is what they always do.  Get losers to commit acts of terror. We drop enough bombs and they won’t be able to do that. 

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Go back to page 4- I said we should stay out of it but that Trump's own comments were not staying out of it and he was implicitly picking a side. You said "Rubio was definitive." I showed Trump's own comments where he undercut what Rubio said. You said that was me putting my thoughts into Trump's mouth.

You refused to accept that. 

Your devotion won't allow you to criticize Trump. Your Gutfield and FOX News devotion is too overpowering as well. 

You were wrong yet again. I proved you wrong numerous times so you are flailing now at this point and trying to change the parameters of the discussion. I won't let you. Had Trump stayed out of it I would've gladly said he was doing the right thing. But you didn't like the nuance in that I pointed out he was not staying out of it so you put your outfit on to white knight. And then I proved you wrong numerous times in the thread.

Deal with it you mental midget

I don't care about any of that.  My point here was that no matter what Trump does or says, YOU....cannot support it...even when it is what you want.  THAT is the point I brought home.  I presume you were wondering why I kept pressing that point, perhaps you got it or perhaps it was just your reflex.

You see I know liberals will oppose Trump even when he does what they want, luckily I posed the question before he shifted his position. But I wanted to expose you for the creature you are,  and you came through with flying colors.....  this is why liberals on the 20% side of every issue...you elevate your hatred above even your own desires

Now, lying that I have not criticized Trump wont work here, hell, even @MDC will admit that is not true, so no...you cant deflect with that game.

You are a coward, your positions ebb and flow with your hate, not with logic or any good intention.

[RLLD 4,230]

6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

sure ray, act like that wasnt sarcasm

My sarcasm or yours 

[Herbivore 1,134]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

My sarcasm or yours 

where is your sarcasm?

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

If the goal is to start a war with Iran....then by all means do it.

If the goal is to lower the temperature there and come to an actual solution then do not authorize a bombing

It would not be a war in terms of a military invasion or occupation. We have bombed countries before without going to war with them. 
But it would lead to increased chances of terrorism against us. Is it worth that? 

[RLLD 4,230]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What specifically was a lie?

as proven wrong within a couple of hours, per usual 

In fact I knew @Sean Mooney would never allow himself to assert that Trump had done something he agreed with, I saw him post his position, knew that at that time the WH had put out statements that showed concurrence and sought to expose the coward for what he is....and I did just that. Luckily, before the admin shifted gears, which of course they would.  Oh, and before you tell another lie..... I do not agree with the WH position to get involved...so make up something else

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

I sure hope Trump is getting some decent advice here because my strong suspicion is that he is as unprepared to make this decision as I would be. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I don't care about any of that.  My point here was that no matter what Trump does or says, YOU....cannot support it...even when it is what you want.  THAT is the point I brought home.  I presume you were wondering why I kept pressing that point, perhaps you got it or perhaps it was just your reflex.

You see I know liberals will oppose Trump even when he does what they want, luckily I posed the question before he shifted his position. But I wanted to expose you for the creature you are,  and you came through with flying colors.....  this is why liberals on the 20% side of every issue...you elevate your hatred above even your own desires

Now, lying that I have not criticized Trump wont work here, hell, even @MDC will admit that is not true, so no...you cant deflect with that game.

You are a coward, your positions ebb and flow with your hate, not with logic or any good intention.

I've given credit for Trump things here so that point won't fly from you. But nice try to deflect. 

But let's go back to where this started. 

This is the post where you started flailing:

 

 

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RLLD: Yes, the admin is staying out of it

The Trump administration has publicly distanced itself from Israel’s strikes, . Rubio emphasized these were unilateral Israeli operations with no direct U.S. military involvement  .

Officials have made it clear that the U.S. will not participate in offensive operations against Iran, including bombing or coordinated kinetic actions .

They are doing the exact thing we all want and its OK to accept this, even if you hate the man you can like the decisions you wantd.

Trump last night:

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I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come – And they know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse! There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end. Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All!

Trump today AFTER Rubio's comments:

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"“We gave them a chance and they didn’t take it. They got hit hard, very hard. They got hit about as hard as you’re going to get hit. And there’s more to come. A lot more.”

 

None of this is staying out of it.

It's okay to call this out even if you worship the man and defend everything he does. 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

Hey guys, this topic is about as serious as it gets at the moment. Can we put aside the whole RLLD lied/didn't lie thing? Truly doubt anyone is that interested any more. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I sure hope Trump is getting some decent advice here because my strong suspicion is that he is as unprepared to make this decision as I would be. 

If it works out it was his idea…if it doesn’t it was terrible advice from someone else.

There are reports that the under qualified TV host he put in charge at the Pentagon is leaning on a particular general who is an Iran Hawk.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

as proven wrong within a couple of hours, per usual 

In fact I knew @Sean Mooney would never allow himself to assert that Trump had done something he agreed with, I saw him post his position, knew that at that time the WH had put out statements that showed concurrence and sought to expose the coward for what he is....and I did just that. Luckily, before the admin shifted gears, which of course they would.  Oh, and before you tell another lie..... I do not agree with the WH position to get involved...so make up something else

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I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come – And they know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse! There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end. Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All!

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"“We gave them a chance and they didn’t take it. They got hit hard, very hard. They got hit about as hard as you’re going to get hit. And there’s more to come. A lot more.”

 

Trump's own words within 12 hours of the first strike last week. This to him was Trump "staying out of it." That was the crux of the discussion. 

RLLD lies, he continually lies, and he will continue to lie. His devotion to FOX News, Gutfield, and Trump won't allow him to say anything else otherwise. 

He got stomped once. He got stomped twice, and he's looking to get stmped a thrid time. This is also multiple times now I've stomped him on here. You'd think he'd learn but his devotion to being wrong is strong. 

[seafoam1 3,020]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

If it works out it was his idea…if it doesn’t it was terrible advice from someone else.

There are reports that the under qualified TV host he put in charge at the Pentagon is leaning on a particular general who is an Iran Hawk.

gutterboy seems to be on the inside of things here. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey guys, this topic is about as serious as it gets at the moment. Can we put aside the whole RLLD lied/didn't lie thing? Truly doubt anyone is that interested any more. 

Wow Tim the voice of reason amongst the boring gotcha slapfight.  

Kudos

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey guys, this topic is about as serious as it gets at the moment. Can we put aside the whole RLLD lied/didn't lie thing? Truly doubt anyone is that interested any more. 

I'm interested in it because he wants to keep slinging barbs and I responded to your question a few posts ago.

Iran will retaliate if we jump in the fray with a B-2 bomber. They will be weaker in doing it but they have terrorist cells everywhere and would love a reason to mobilize them. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

gutterboy seems to be on the inside of things here. 

You should try reading stuff, Peefoam!

[seafoam1 3,020]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Wow Tim the voice of reason amongst the boring gotcha slapfight.  

Kudos

He also preaches the market is going to crash in the next 3 months (well he says within 6 months in January so he's adding a cushion I guess). 

He's a fatalist or an optimist depending on who he likes or not at president. There is no in between.   

[shadrap 228]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. 
 

I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision. 

I'd do it.  When Iran says death to America believe them.

[HellToupee 1,775]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. 
 

I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision. 

Finish off the nuke program, takeout as many missles/launchers as they can and give the supreme leader a dirt nap. I trust President Trump to handle the situation.

[HellToupee 1,775]

37 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Three Sheets handed the wheel over to an Iran hawk

I’ve always trusted subordinate members of my team