**Round Eleven-Sixteen Commentary**

[Dan 66]

I appreciate the bump, but I'm pretty sure Iceman's up

[Fumbleweed 543]

12 minutes ago, Dan said:

I appreciate the bump, but I'm pretty sure Iceman's up

Whoops... 

[Dan 66]

I knew, in passingthem up in the 14th, I was going to lose the Steelers to fumble. *sigh*.

 

Alas, I'll take the youngsters, and the up and coming group in Michigan

[Vikings4ever 549]

This late, everyone's a gamble. I went with the higher upside of a rookie with a good QB who could be starting day 1.

[Fumbleweed 543]

6 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

This late, everyone's a gamble. I went with the higher upside of a rookie with a good QB who could be starting day 1.

Ray already has his kicker, so if you want to post your kicker choice at 16.02 here, feel free to do so. 

[Vikings4ever 549]

16.02 - K Will Reichard, MIN

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

4 hours ago, Dan said:

I was half-expecting WhiteWonder to wait deliberately until 9:00 to make his picks this morning.

haha, no no I just got busy last night and forgot

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

I have always loved Keenan Allen. I hope he softens his stance on going to Pitt or at least ends up back in LA. 

[Matts Eagles 25]

16.09 - K, Tyler Bass, Buf

[RLLD 4,191]

Had my heart set on Higgins, once he got sniped I really didn't know what else I wanted, Bateman seems like a reasonable grab this late.

[Fumbleweed 543]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Had my heart set on Higgins, once he got sniped I really didn't know what else I wanted, Bateman seems like a reasonable grab this late.

Once again, I have been sniped. Has happened multiple times during the second half of this draft. Bateman was my hopeful pick at 16.06... 

[Vikings4ever 549]

Bateman I had on my list back in the 12th when I took Johnston. I just didn't think Lamar was going to repeat 40 TDs, and that's where Bateman did his damage. He also doesn't have huge upside, and it's possible that newly signed Hopkins has enough left in the tank to eat into his numbers, which is why I grabbed Higgins.

[Vikings4ever 549]

@robb RLLD took Bateman with his 15th

[robb 81]

40 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

16.02 - K Will Reichard, MIN

V4E: I have Reichard extremely high in my rankings and will keep him in one of my Dynasty leagues. I know this may be a homer pick for you, but if not, what are your thoughts on this guy for 2025? What are you hearing in Minnesota about him?

[robb 81]

3 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

@robb RLLD took Bateman with his 15th

Obviously I got snipped on this one.......great pick RLLD!! I really wanted him as my 16th pick...wonderful "Boom/Bust" pick which is ideal for a Best Ball league or anywhere else.

[Vikings4ever 549]

Just now, robb said:

V4E: I have Reichard extremely high in my rankings and will keep him in one of my Dynasty leagues. I know this may be a homer pick for you, but if not, what are your thoughts on this guy for 2025? What are you hearing in Minnesota about him?

He was perfect last year until he got hurt (2 of his 6 misses the whole year were the rest of the game he toughed out). I think the Vikes should be more effective in goalline situations with their improved interior line, so he may miss out on a few of those chances he had last year, and his overall numbers are going to depend on McCarthy, but I definitely like him. I really haven't heard anything, which is a good thing for kickers.

[robb 81]

Yup......2 kickers....I intentionally did this as no one else has done it and I may as well be first, LOL. My thinking is.....and you all can jump on this as I welcome discussion in the June Mock site, but 1) kickers have Bye weeks also, just like other positions. And, 2) kickers have down scoring weeks, just like other positions so why not have 2 i.e. QBs and TEs, and 3) they have gotten injured in just this last season (Butker, Tucker, Reichard) so this way I wouldn't take a "0" in any weeks!

Poke away my fellow Mockers!!

[RLLD 4,191]

54 minutes ago, robb said:

Obviously I got snipped on this one.......great pick RLLD!! I really wanted him as my 16th pick...wonderful "Boom/Bust" pick which is ideal for a Best Ball league or anywhere else.

Thanks, I had him high on my list of remaining, good to know others were sorta on the same thought line with him

[ICEMAN 44]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I have always loved Keenan Allen. I hope he softens his stance on going to Pitt or at least ends up back in LA. 

I would prefer that he come to New England and show the Patriots WR's how a professional handles his business.

ICEMAN

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

1 hour ago, robb said:

Yup......2 kickers....I intentionally did this as no one else has done it and I may as well be first, LOL. My thinking is.....and you all can jump on this as I welcome discussion in the June Mock site, but 1) kickers have Bye weeks also, just like other positions. And, 2) kickers have down scoring weeks, just like other positions so why not have 2 i.e. QBs and TEs, and 3) they have gotten injured in just this last season (Butker, Tucker, Reichard) so this way I wouldn't take a "0" in any weeks!

Poke away my fellow Mockers!!

I can see the logic behind it. Although we all try not to mock with the no hassle league at the top of our minds, it obviously comes into play for all of us at some point. The biggest negative to drafting 2 kickers would of course be that no legit mock draft for website purposes is going to have someone drafting 2 kickers. The other negative is that you wind up with 1 less RB/WR on your roster. My annual internal debate is between going 4RB/6WR and a 5/5 split. This year I went 4/6 because my receivers took a hit with the early drafting of Brock Bowers. 

But the upside it that, like you said, you guard against a kicker injury, your first kickers bye week and weeks where your kicker scores 3 points or less. 

I think something we may want to look into for future mocks is Team Kicker. This would allow owners to draft 1 kicker as usual but for the purposes of the no hassle league, it eliminates the worry of a kicker injury.

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

9 minutes ago, ICEMAN said:

I would prefer that he come to New England and show the Patriots WR's how a professional handles his business.

ICEMAN

700/7 last year in the Bears offense. As a 6th WR for me, I feel like he will sign somewhere and be a WR2 for that team capable of still putting up fantasy useful weeks.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

700/7 last year in the Bears offense. As a 6th WR for me, I feel like he will sign somewhere and be a WR2 for that team capable of still putting up fantasy useful weeks.

Wonder, what defense would you like? 

[Hawkeye21 2,390]

And it happened again.  Get back from lunch and it's my turn.  

[shovelheadt 71]

Should Wonder and I wait till 5pm for our picks?

[Fumbleweed 543]

Just now, shovelheadt said:

Should Wonder and I wait till 5pm for our picks?

Absolutely not. 

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

21 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said:

Wonder, what defense would you like? 

I'll take Seattle

[Vikings4ever 549]

33 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I can see the logic behind it. Although we all try not to mock with the no hassle league at the top of our minds, it obviously comes into play for all of us at some point. The biggest negative to drafting 2 kickers would of course be that no legit mock draft for website purposes is going to have someone drafting 2 kickers. The other negative is that you wind up with 1 less RB/WR on your roster. My annual internal debate is between going 4RB/6WR and a 5/5 split. This year I went 4/6 because my receivers took a hit with the early drafting of Brock Bowers. 

But the upside it that, like you said, you guard against a kicker injury, your first kickers bye week and weeks where your kicker scores 3 points or less. 

I think something we may want to look into for future mocks is Team Kicker. This would allow owners to draft 1 kicker as usual but for the purposes of the no hassle league, it eliminates the worry of a kicker injury.

I also battle between a 5/5 and 4/6 split. Unless unless my RBs are particularly weak, I generally go 4/6 so I have a backup for each starting position.

The 2 kickers thing, a 16th round pick being unusual isn't going to make or break a mock for legitimacy (though, as you say, pretty much nobody is going to do it for a real draft). I've proposed the team kicker thing before, but nobody cares enough about it of us to make the change. Maybe drafting a kicker for mock purposes and using the team for league purposes would make a difference? 

[shovelheadt 71]

It's been fun guys, and thanks for the quickness! Take care everyone. 

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

3 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

I also battle between a 5/5 and 4/6 split. Unless unless my RBs are particularly weak, I generally go 4/6 so I have a backup for each starting position.

The 2 kickers thing, a 16th round pick being unusual isn't going to make or break a mock for legitimacy (though, as you say, pretty much nobody is going to do it for a real draft). I've proposed the team kicker thing before, but nobody cares enough about it of us to make the change. Maybe drafting a kicker for mock purposes and using the team for league purposes would make a difference? 

No, you are right. The 2nd kicker selection is not going to discredit the meat of the mock. Although anyone viewing it would likely wonder why an expert mock (calling us all experts) has someone taking 2 kickers when it's far more common to draft no kicker if waivers/FA run before week 1. 

So yeah, it's fairly minor although if more people deployed this strategy for the additional no hassle points it would look more awkward. 

I would totally be down with converting our kicker selections to "Team Kicker" for the no hassle league in the future.