Supreme Court hands Trump major victory in migrant deportation battle

[seafoam1 3,025]

 Winning.

 

The Supreme Court on Monday granted the Trump administration's request to stay a lower court injunction blocking them from deporting individuals to third countries without prior notice— a near-term win for the Trump administration as it looks to quickly enforce its immigration crackdown. 

Justices on the high court ruled 6-3 to stay the lower court injunction, with Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson dissenting. 

"Rather than allowing our lower court colleagues to man­age this high-stakes litigation with the care and attention it plainly requires, this Court now intervenes to grant the Government emergency relief from an order it has repeat­edly defied," Justice Sotomayor said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-rules-trumps-third-country-deportations-south-sudan-other

[RLLD 4,230]

Sure, but next week some random judge in Springfield OK will swoop in and decide the nations foreign policy for everyone by trying to block something else.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Sure, but next week some random judge in Springfield OK will swoop in and decide the nations foreign policy for everyone by trying to block something else.

Yep.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

5 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 Winning.

 

The Supreme Court on Monday granted the Trump administration's request to stay a lower court injunction blocking them from deporting individuals to third countries without prior notice— a near-term win for the Trump administration as it looks to quickly enforce its immigration crackdown. 

Justices on the high court ruled 6-3 to stay the lower court injunction, with Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson dissenting. 

"Rather than allowing our lower court colleagues to man­age this high-stakes litigation with the care and attention it plainly requires, this Court now intervenes to grant the Government emergency relief from an order it has repeat­edly defied," Justice Sotomayor said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-rules-trumps-third-country-deportations-south-sudan-other

Sotomayor is one of the worst justices to ever sit the bench.  Her and the hyphenated last name who didn't know what a woman was, despite being one herself.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

I wonder how the 3 commies on SCOTUS would've voted if their buddy Biden had to deal with conservative judges blocking his deportations.  

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I wonder how the 3 commies on SCOTUS would've voted if their buddy Biden had to deal with conservative judges blocking his deportations.  

They vote the party line. They aren't judges, they are implants. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Something needs to be done about these lower court judges that are constantly being overturned. 

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Something needs to be done about these lower court judges that are constantly being overturned. 

Yeah we need to remove the system of checks and balances we have in America.  Good take.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah we need to remove the system of checks and balances we have in America.  Good take.

Right Boogerboy. None of them are just obstructionists.  That’s not a check and balance. 

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Right Boogerboy. None of them are just obstructionists.  That’s not a check and balance. 

Actually it is, by definition

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Actually it is, by definition

No. You check and balance both ways. Just stop acting like this isn’t what it is. You look even dumber than usual.  

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18 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

They vote the party line. They aren't judges, they are implants. 

For the most part, this is true for all of them.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

For the most part, this is true for all of them.

Then why are we always hearing libtards crow when a republican appointed judge goes against Trump? It’s a bit out of balance. 

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. You check and balance both ways. Just stop acting like this isn’t what it is. You look even dumber than usual.  

We have the different judges and the appeals process to protect against any "rogue" or "activist" judges.  They check and balance each other.  And the judicial system checks the other two branches.  Maybe read a book on the constitution so we don't have to read your ignorant posts.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why are we always hearing libtards crow when a republican appointed judge goes against Trump? It’s a bit out of balance. 

Oh, they're just stooges.  My only point was that SCOTUS is virtually always party line.  It makes sense.  Presidents will appoint judges who are similar to their political mindset.  Obviously, the vast majority of decisions are party line.  I mean, that's obvious, right?

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

Those opposed to mass deportation, such as myself, need to realize that we’re not going to win this issue in the courts. We can slow it down some but the results are unpredictable and who knows? In the matter of existing law Trump and the conservative judges may be right. I personally certainly don’t know enough law to argue against. 

And we can’t stop them with protests either. Large protests are fine, so long as they are peaceful but they don’t really accomplish much. And when they turn violent they actually work against the cause at hand. 

The only way to defeat mass deportation is to elect enough people who are opposed to it to stop it. Thats it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Those opposed to mass deportation, such as myself, need to realize that we’re not going to win this issue in the courts. We can slow it down some but the results are unpredictable and who knows? In the matter of existing law Trump and the conservative judges may be right. I personally certainly don’t know enough law to argue against. 

And we can’t stop them with protests either. Large protests are fine, so long as they are peaceful but they don’t really accomplish much. And when they turn violent they actually work against the cause at hand. 

The only way to defeat mass deportation is to elect enough people who are opposed to it to stop it. Thats it.

Joe Biden and the Democrat party believes in it too (as does the vast majority of the countries population), that's why he deported over 5M people.  It's only an issue now, because Democrats have to pretend that Republican's are racist.  The court filings are 100% a measure to keep people like you, towing the liberal line.  The next time a Democrat is elected president (hopefully that never happens), they will continue to do mass deportations, and just like under the Obama and Biden regimes, the liberal courts and media will be silent.  I know you won't accept this, but on this issue, you're being played like a fiddle by your party.  Your party, doesn't actually agree with you on this topic it's actually a bipartisan stance.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Those opposed to mass deportation, such as myself, need to realize that we’re not going to win this issue in the courts. We can slow it down some but the results are unpredictable and who knows? In the matter of existing law Trump and the conservative judges may be right. I personally certainly don’t know enough law to argue against. 

And we can’t stop them with protests either. Large protests are fine, so long as they are peaceful but they don’t really accomplish much. And when they turn violent they actually work against the cause at hand. 

The only way to defeat mass deportation is to elect enough people who are opposed to it to stop it. Thats it.

among the main talking points that repubs/conservs and dems/libs generally disagree on, illegal immigration is the one that I have never understood what leg dems/libs are trying to stand on. Abortion, equal opportunity, gun control, etc etc each side has some valid arguments regardless if you agree or disagree.  I have yet to see anything close to a valid argument for pro illegal immigration / anti deportation. 

between the blatant hypocrisy of Trump bad! despite what prior democratic presidents have said and done on the same issue and the paper thin arguments libs make on this subject, it really boggles my mind. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Joe Biden and the Democrat party believes in it too (as does the vast majority of the countries population), that's why he deported over 5M people.  It's only an issue now, because Democrats have to pretend that Republican's are racist.  The court filings are 100% a measure to keep people like you, towing the liberal line.  The next time a Democrat is elected president (hopefully that never happens), they will continue to do mass deportations, and just like under the Obama and Biden regimes, the liberal courts and media will be silent.  I know you won't accept this, but on this issue, you're being played like a fiddle by your party.  Your party, doesn't actually agree with you on this topic.

No I agree with you to some extent. When I wrote that we need to elect people who are opposed to mass deportation, I wasn’t necessarily referring to Democrats. Plenty of “Chamber of Commerce” Republicans are opposed as well. We need to elect Democrats AND Republicans who will commit themselves to a reform of our immigration program that will include a Pathway to Citizenship for most NONVIOLENT undocumented immigrants already here. 

[RLLD 4,230]

I hope we are able to avoid placing people in power who support mass migration to this nation and then also oppose mass deportation.

While the USA is not perfect, we cannot sustain such poisonous policies.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

among the main talking points that repubs/conservs and dems/libs generally disagree on, illegal immigration is the one that I have never understood what leg dems/libs are trying to stand on. Abortion, equal opportunity, gun control, etc etc each side has some valid arguments regardless if you agree or disagree.  I have yet to see anything close to a valid argument for pro illegal immigration / anti deportation. 

between the blatant hypocrisy of Trump bad! despite what prior democratic presidents have said and done on the same issue and the paper thin arguments libs make on this subject, it really boggles my mind. 

For me it’s pretty simple: if they live productive lives here, obey our laws once here, and contribute in general to the nations well being (and I’m convinced most of them do) then I’m willing to overlook the crime of coming here illegally. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Illegals can go home and get in line. Their breaking of our laws won’t be held against them if they self deport. Plus 1k. Dollars and a ride home. So inhumane. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No I agree with you to some extent. When I wrote that we need to elect people who are opposed to mass deportation, I wasn’t necessarily referring to Democrats. Plenty of “Chamber of Commerce” Republicans are opposed as well. We need to elect Democrats AND Republicans who will commit themselves to a reform of our immigration program that will include a Pathway to Citizenship for most NONVIOLENT undocumented immigrants already here. 

You're not going to get that, ever.  Overwhelmingly, this country wants illegal immigrants out.

If they want a path to citizenship, fine, I'm all for it, but the path starts with them going back to their country of origin and going through the proper channels.  Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, should they be allowed in over people who are doing it the right way.  They have to get in line, behind those people.  They cheated.  They came here illegally and don't belong here.  It's that simple.  Get the criminals out first?  Absolutely, but the others need to go as well.

Funny how Democrats complain about bio business' involvement in government and here you are, saying that the Chamber of Commerce is on the right side of this.

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Those opposed to mass deportation, such as myself, need to realize that we’re not going to win this issue in the courts. We can slow it down some but the results are unpredictable and who knows? In the matter of existing law Trump and the conservative judges may be right. I personally certainly don’t know enough law to argue against. 

And we can’t stop them with protests either. Large protests are fine, so long as they are peaceful but they don’t really accomplish much. And when they turn violent they actually work against the cause at hand. 

The only way to defeat mass deportation is to elect enough people who are opposed to it to stop it. Thats it.

So you want to elect people to let illegals back in?

We just had 4 year's of that. And it got us to this point.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

For me it’s pretty simple: if they live productive lives here, obey our laws once here, and contribute in general to the nations well being (and I’m convinced most of them do) then I’m willing to overlook the crime of coming here illegally. 

aka paper thin argument. They committed a crime. All of them are criminals by the letter of the law. Just because they provide you cheap labor does not make it okay or excusable. the US is not the only country that deports. If you decided you wanted to live and work in another country would you do so illegally or would you go through the proper channels?  Would you feel it was right to be taking a job away from a citizen of that country?  Of course, one of the go to arguments for libs is the impact it will have on the economy, when this cheap, slave labor is gone, because they know conservatives want a good economy. The thing is, what we have currently is the byproduct of something that should never have been allowed, at least not to the extent that it was. So what you're really saying is 2 wrongs make a right, or "well, it's too late to do anything about it without prices going up".  Thing is, there are countries with far less illegal immigration or who deport to a higher degree and things are MORE affordable in those countries. .... you know, along with the fact that realistically there will always be some degree of illegal immigration and illegal slave labor. There may always be, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take measures to lessen it.    Just like there may always be guns but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take measures to increase gun control.   See how that works?    And I won't even dive into the hypocrisy of the cheap labor, willing to work for low wages, etc arguments that libs use while also pretending to be the party of equal opportunity and human rights. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're not going to get that, ever.  Overwhelmingly, this country wants illegal immigrants out.

If they want a path to citizenship, fine, I'm all for it, but the path starts with them going back to their country of origin and going through the proper channels.  Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, should they be allowed in over people who are doing it the right way.  They have to get in line, behind those people.  They cheated.  They came here illegally and don't belong here.  It's that simple.  Get the criminals out first?  Absolutely, but the others need to go as well.

Funny how Democrats complain about bio business' involvement in government and here you are, saying that the Chamber of Commerce is on the right side of this.

The polls do NOT suggest that “overwhelmingly this country wants undocumented immigrants out.” Recent polls have suggested quite the opposite. I believe that eventually I will get what I want. 

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

If they want a path to citizenship, fine, I'm all for it, but the path starts with them going back to their country of origin and going through the proper channels.  Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, should they be allowed in over people who are doing it the right way.  They have to get in line, behind those people.  They cheated.  They came here illegally and don't belong here.  It's that simple.  Get the criminals out first?  Absolutely, but the others need to go as well.

 

^^^

very well said.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The polls do NOT suggest that “overwhelmingly this country wants undocumented immigrants out.” Recent polls have suggested quite the opposite. I believe that eventually I will get what I want. 

are these polls similar to the ones fed to you telling you Harris was going to be the next president? Reliance on polls is never a great thing.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

Look we’ve had these arguments many times before, you guys know my position, I know yours. No point in trying to tell me they’re all criminals like @WhiteWonder just did. I don’t agree, I’m never going to agree so there you go. 

Most of you here have what I regard as the MAGA position on this issue, I don’t believe you represent the majority. I think the majority voted for you guys because Biden appeared to be out of control in the other direction and most people DO want some control on our borders. But not mass deportation of non-violent people. Anyhow we will find out in future elections. 

[Strike 5,547]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The polls do NOT suggest that “overwhelmingly this country wants undocumented immigrants out.” Recent polls have suggested quite the opposite. I believe that eventually I will get what I want. 

This is not true.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look we’ve had these arguments many times before, you guys know my position, I know yours. No point in trying to tell me they’re all criminals like @WhiteWonder just did. I don’t agree, I’m never going to agree so there you go. 

Most of you here have what I regard as the MAGA position on this issue, I don’t believe you represent the majority. I think the majority voted for you guys because Biden appeared to be out of control in the other direction and most people DO want some control on our borders. But not mass deportation of non-violent people. Anyhow we will find out in future elections. 

I like how you @ me but completely ignore the majority of my last response to you. Why not ignore the sentence about them all being criminals and address the other points I made and questions I asked? 

Or how about addressing what TBay said in regards to them needing to be behind the people who are going through the proper channels. Do you disagree with this? 

[MDC 7,428]

I don’t necessarily have any problem with mass deportation of illegals. No exceptions for agricultural workers, construction, hospitality etc. Good luck getting prices down.

It’s the deporting of legal migrants to prisons in a country they’re not even from and cancelling visas of students who hold opinions you don’t like that I have a problem with. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

I like the way liberals act as if all agricultural work is performed by illegals and not any here on a work visa.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I like the way liberals act as if all agricultural work is performed by illegals and not any here on a work visa.  

Because they are racists and still see dark people as inferior and only worthy of slave wages.  

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

5 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Because they are racists and still see dark people as inferior and only worthy of slave wages.  

and a vote

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

For me it’s pretty simple: if they live productive lives here, obey our laws once here, and contribute in general to the nations well being (and I’m convinced most of them do) then I’m willing to overlook the crime of coming here illegally. 

I do not condone cutting in line, ever.  Those who have shown respect for our laws and processes on immigration should be awarded by us processing them in, first and only.  You would have folks start their tenure in our country by violating its laws.  That is not a propitious start.  We citizens have a right through our elected representatives to decide who and how many to invite every year to join our experiment in democracy.  We should not leave that decision to law breakers and those who may wish us affirmative harm if not simply wishing to take advantqage of us.  I believe the American people to have generous hearts.  I believe they will open our country to many immigrants every year and even more guest workers, but that is our decision, not that of those wanting to jump the line.  Respecting lines is what separates us from the animals, and the French.

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

41 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is not true.

lie.

A NBC News Decision Desk Poll released June 15, conducted along with SurveyMonkey, found that 45% of Americans approve of the way Trump is handling his job as president, while 55% disapprove. Those figures remain unchanged from an NBC News survey in April. (The survey was conducted among 19,410 adults nationwide between May 30 and June 10. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.)

According to the survey, 51% of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of border security and immigration, while 49% disapprove, the exception to his negative overall rating.

The NBC News poll, which was conducted from May 30 to June 10, shows a slight majority of U.S. adults approving of how Trump is handling “border security and immigration.” 

That same poll, conducted as the situation in Los Angeles deteriorated and Trump federalized the National Guard, shows Trump’s net approval on immigration shrinking to plus-4 (49 percent to 45 percent). 

A recent Quinnipiac poll, also conducted as the protests in Los Angeles began in earnest, shows Trump’s approval on immigration actually underwater, with just 43 percent of registered voters approving, versus a majority (54 percent) disapproving.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

^^^

very well said.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

lie.

A NBC News Decision Desk Poll released June 15, conducted along with SurveyMonkey, found that 45% of Americans approve of the way Trump is handling his job as president, while 55% disapprove. Those figures remain unchanged from an NBC News survey in April. (The survey was conducted among 19,410 adults nationwide between May 30 and June 10. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.)

According to the survey, 51% of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of border security and immigration, while 49% disapprove, the exception to his negative overall rating.

The NBC News poll, which was conducted from May 30 to June 10, shows a slight majority of U.S. adults approving of how Trump is handling “border security and immigration.” 

That same poll, conducted as the situation in Los Angeles deteriorated and Trump federalized the National Guard, shows Trump’s net approval on immigration shrinking to plus-4 (49 percent to 45 percent). 

A recent Quinnipiac poll, also conducted as the protests in Los Angeles began in earnest, shows Trump’s approval on immigration actually underwater, with just 43 percent of registered voters approving, versus a majority (54 percent) disapproving.  

ah, Survey Monkey and 19,410 adults nationwide!   Big sample size right there. 

I'm not disputing what these polls say, I am questioning the meaningfulness of such polls, especially to try and use them to prove any point. (and it goes both ways). 

Was Quinnipiac one of the polls telling you guys Harris had it won?

I would also venture to guess that the notion of protests going on and the feelers that come along with them may have had more of an impact on the net approval than the actual handling of border security and immigration. Just a guess.... but again I would tend to take a lot of these small polls with a grain of salt. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

For me it’s pretty simple: if they live productive lives here, obey our laws once here, and contribute in general to the nations well being (and I’m convinced most of them do) then I’m willing to overlook the crime of coming here illegally. 

The problem is is they've skipped about 3 million people that are waiting in line. Regardless of whether they're good workers are not, they skipped a bunch of people and that's not fair at all.