TimHauck 2,757 Posted Thursday at 01:58 PM This time against the first-ever 5x NCAA champion in history. Their coach is the greatest of all-time in the sport, and he doesn’t look great in this either if the allegations are true. https://www.psucollegian.com/features/features_investigation/former-teammates-and-women-allege-misconduct-from-carter-starocci/article_fe88515f-c0f6-46dc-a52d-5c4fac15222c.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 02:26 PM 29 minutes ago, TimHauck said: This time against the first-ever 5x NCAA champion in history. Their coach is the greatest of all-time in the sport, and he doesn’t look great in this either if the allegations are true. https://www.psucollegian.com/features/features_investigation/former-teammates-and-women-allege-misconduct-from-carter-starocci/article_fe88515f-c0f6-46dc-a52d-5c4fac15222c.html She said he groomed her? Wut? He was 22 years old and she was 17. At what point are women going to take responsibility for their own actions? That's as far as I got before I stopped reading. If there was an actual physical assault then that's not great, but doesn't she bear any responsibility for putting herself in that situation? With all of the laws and PSAs and services that we provide women over the last 40 or 50 years, haven't they learned anything at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 02:28 PM 1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: She said he groomed her? Wut? He was 22 years old and she was 17. At what point are women going to take responsibility for their own actions? That's as far as I got before I stopped reading. If there was an actual physical assault then that's not great, but doesn't she bear any responsibility for putting herself in that situation? Blaming the victim of SA. True to character. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 02:33 PM 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Blaming the victim of SA. True to character. Says the "I trust Iran guy"! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,123 Posted Thursday at 02:40 PM 41 minutes ago, TimHauck said: This time against the first-ever 5x NCAA champion in history. Their coach is the greatest of all-time in the sport, and he doesn’t look great in this either if the allegations are true. https://www.psucollegian.com/features/features_investigation/former-teammates-and-women-allege-misconduct-from-carter-starocci/article_fe88515f-c0f6-46dc-a52d-5c4fac15222c.html initial thought..seems flimsy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,205 Posted Thursday at 02:42 PM Still in America, innocent until proven guilty. Lets not assume accusation = guilt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,291 Posted Thursday at 02:43 PM Penn State is a left wing institution. Need more than this for a scandal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,474 Posted Thursday at 02:44 PM 15 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: She said he groomed her? Wut? He was 22 years old and she was 17. At what point are women going to take responsibility for their own actions? That's as far as I got before I stopped reading. If there was an actual physical assault then that's not great, but doesn't she bear any responsibility for putting herself in that situation? With all of the laws and PSAs and services that we provide women over the last 40 or 50 years, haven't they learned anything at all? You really should be ashamed of yourself. Why don't men quit being so r@pey? Why can men who aren't getting any just leave us the fock alone? If I smile at you it doesn't mean you have ANY rights or access to my body. Why do I have to carry a weapon when I go out running? Why do I make sure that I don't go to the grocery store or anything at night? Why am I told that I need a "man in my life for protection?" Protection from whom - OTHER MEN. You can fock right off. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 02:46 PM 2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: You really should be ashamed of yourself. Why don't men quit being so r@pey? Why can men who aren't getting any just leave us the fock alone? If I smile at you it doesn't mean you have ANY rights or access to my body. Why do I have to carry a weapon when I go out running? Why do I make sure that I don't go to the grocery store or anything at night? Why am I told that I need a "man in my life for protection?" Protection from whom - OTHER MEN. You can fock right off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,311 Posted Thursday at 02:49 PM 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: Still in America, innocent until proven guilty. Lets not assume accusation = guilt. Unless it’s the Biden Crime Family! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 02:56 PM 13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: You really should be ashamed of yourself. Why don't men quit being so r@pey? Why can men who aren't getting any just leave us the fock alone? If I smile at you it doesn't mean you have ANY rights or access to my body. Why do I have to carry a weapon when I go out running? Why do I make sure that I don't go to the grocery store or anything at night? Why am I told that I need a "man in my life for protection?" Protection from whom - OTHER MEN. You can fock right off. Meh. No one is saying men should rape women or have rights to their body, but the "he groomed me" statements we always hear in these type of college situations is usually code for "I partied hard last night and regret it", which is what we usually hear when it turns out the allegations are false or have been greatly exaggerated. The dude was 22, not 52. The age gap was not one of those "he groomed me" type of situations. Certainly hold him responsible if there is more to it, but seems like some very flimsy stories. I'll see your "fock off" and raise you two "fock offs". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 02:59 PM 8 minutes ago, MDC said: Unless it’s the Biden Crime Family! You mean, The Biden Crime Family™. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,298 Posted Thursday at 03:01 PM 4 hours ago, TheNewGirl said: You really should be ashamed of yourself. Why don't men quit being so r@pey? Why can men who aren't getting any just leave us the fock alone? If I smile at you it doesn't mean you have ANY rights or access to my body. Why do I have to carry a weapon when I go out running? Why do I make sure that I don't go to the grocery store or anything at night? Why am I told that I need a "man in my life for protection?" Protection from whom - OTHER MEN. You can fock right off. Sounds like you are aware of your surroundings and circumstances. Sounds like you are vigilant. It is a shame you have to be vigilant, but it is well that you are. The young woman, Jane, in the story, was the opposite of vigilant. She felt the warning signs yet she agreed to meet the male alone, at night, in private areas. She reminds me of Desiree Washington who went to Mike Tyson's room late at night, after drinking, and then was surprised, she says, that he was criminally sexually aggressive. I don't ascribe the majority of blame to a victim, but I am aware that some victims could have, and should have been more aware. That said, as far as criminal culpability, screw this guy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 03:02 PM 5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Meh. No one is saying men should rape women or have rights to their body, but the "he groomed me" statements we always hear in these type of college situations is usually code for "I partied hard last night and regret it", which is what we usually hear when it turns out the allegations are false or have been greatly exaggerated. The dude was 22, not 52. The age gap was not one of those "he groomed me" type of situations. Certainly hold him responsible if there is more to it, but seems like some very flimsy stories. I'll see your "fock off" and raise you two "fock offs". There is a large maturity gap between 22 and 17, and she did not deserve to be raped. You should probably stop trying to make this argument. Makes you look like an absolute POS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,474 Posted Thursday at 03:03 PM 4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Meh. No one is saying men should rape women or have rights to their body, but the "he groomed me" statements we always hear in these type of college situations is usually code for "I partied hard last night and regret it", which is what we usually hear when it turns out the allegations are false or have been greatly exaggerated. The dude was 22, not 52. The age gap was not one of those "he groomed me" type of situations. Certainly hold him responsible if there is more to it, but seems like some very flimsy stories. I'll see your "fock off" and raise you two "fock offs". I don't give a about the age gap. I don't care if she "drank too much" at a party. Men need to take some responsibility in this and if that means avoiding drunk girls, young girls, or just girls that are questionable then MEN need to do that. This is also why women don't come forward about sexual assault and rape. You're disgusting and you're literally championing r@pe culture. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 03:04 PM 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Sounds like you are aware of your surroundings and circumstances. Sounds like you are vigilant. It is a shame you have to be vigilant, but it is well that you are. The young woman, Jane, in the story, was the opposite of vigilant. She felt the warning signs yet she agreed to meet the male alone, at night, in private areas. She reminds me of Desiree Washington who went to Mike Tyson's room late at night, after drinking, and then was surprised, she says, that he was criminally sexually aggressive. I don't ascribe the majority of blame to a victim, but Iam aware that some victims could have, and should have been more aware. That said, as far as criminal culpability, screw this guy. Pretty much sums up my position as well, but you explained it better than I did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,298 Posted Thursday at 03:07 PM 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: I don't give a about the age gap. I don't care if she "drank too much" at a party. Men need to take some responsibility in this and if that means avoiding drunk girls, young girls, or just girls that are questionable then MEN need to do that. This is also why women don't come forward about sexual assault and rape. You're disgusting and you're literally championing r@pe culture. Seems like the pain of personal experience is showing through. If so I am sorry someone hurt you. I hope you have healed. You seem strong. I hope whoever hurt you suffered, not that his suffering would have undone his deed, but I hope it nonetheless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 03:09 PM 5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Sounds like you are aware of your surroundings and circumstances. Sounds like you are vigilant. It is a shame you haved to be vigilant, but it is well that you are. the Young woman, Jane, in the story was the opposite of vigilant. She felt the warning signs yet she agreed to meet the male alone, at night, in private areas. She reminds me of Desiree Washinton who went to Mike tyson's room late at night, after drinking, and then wass surprised, she says, that he ws criminally sexually aggressive. I don't ascribe the mahority of blame to a victim, but i am aware taht some victims could have, and should have been more aware. That said, as far as criminal culpability, screw this guy. There is nothing in Jane's story about "feeling the warning signs" in fact she talks about the exact opposite, how he made her feel comfortable, up to the point her raped her. I'm sure you're not suggesting that all women should assume men are all rapists but that is what you're implying. Vigilance is good, but we as men need to stop raping women and hold each other accountable to treat women with dignity and respect. Going down the "she was asking for it" slope does the opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 03:11 PM 3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Seems like the pain of personal experience is showing through. If so I am sorry someone hurt you. I hope you have healed. You seem strong. I hope whoever hurt you suffered, not that his suffering would have undone his deed, but I hope it nonetheless. RIght because the only way anyone can have her opinion is if she was a victim. Your fake empathy doesn't help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 03:11 PM 7 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: I don't give a about the age gap. I don't care if she "drank too much" at a party. Men need to take some responsibility in this and if that means avoiding drunk girls, young girls, or just girls that are questionable then MEN need to do that. This is also why women don't come forward about sexual assault and rape. You're disgusting and you're literally championing r@pe culture. Huh? Men are ABSOLUTELY held accountable. Are you living in the 1950's? in 2025, men are ALWAYS held accountable. And once again, you seem to be NOT holding women accountable at all. Only the men. THAT is the issue. It's always the men, never the women. My issue is with the "he groomed me statement" which I explained above. I am certainly not "championing r@pe culture" as much as you're trying to push that on me. We've seen and hear enough of these "he groomed me" stories where it turns out they are fake to start questioning them. No one is saying she deserved to be SA'd - if that is, indeed, what happened - but "regret" is not the same as "he groomed me" or "he raped me". You kinda sound like a man-hater, btw. Do you EVER question a woman's motives in these situations? Or are we to #believeAllWomenNoMatterWhat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,298 Posted Thursday at 03:13 PM 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: RIght because the only way anyone can have her opinion is if she was a victim. Your fake empathy doesn't help. You are a miserable little twat. That is all. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 03:14 PM Just now, Engorgeous George said: You are a miserable little twat. That is all. He most certainly is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 03:16 PM 13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: I don't give a about the age gap. I don't care if she "drank too much" at a party. Men need to take some responsibility in this and if that means avoiding drunk girls, young girls, or just girls that are questionable then MEN need to do that. This is also why women don't come forward about sexual assault and rape. You're disgusting and you're literally championing r@pe culture. Also, did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason why - nowadays - women don't come forward about sexual assault (your claim) is because enough WOMEN have made enough false allegations that they've ruined it for the actual SA and r@pe victims? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,311 Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM 21 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: You mean, The Biden Crime Family™. The Biden Crime Family! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,205 Posted Thursday at 03:26 PM 34 minutes ago, MDC said: Unless it’s the Biden Crime Family! YOU can ignore the banking statements evidence, the whistleblowers and the laptop contents if you choose. I say prosecute him based on that evidence right now, but I am not making that decision. If there is evidence that this kid did something, as there is with the Biden crime family, then by all means arrest and prosecute. Its odd that you do not understand this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,474 Posted Thursday at 03:27 PM 7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Also, did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason why - nowadays - women don't come forward about sexual assault (your claim) is because enough WOMEN have made enough false allegations that they've ruined it for the actual SA and r@pe victims? 14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Huh? Men are ABSOLUTELY held accountable. Are you living in the 1950's? in 2025, men are ALWAYS held accountable. And once again, you seem to be NOT holding women accountable at all. Only the men. THAT is the issue. It's always the men, never the women. My issue is with the "he groomed me statement" which I explained above. I am certainly not "championing r@pe culture" as much as you're trying to push that on me. We've seen and hear enough of these "he groomed me" stories where it turns out they are fake to start questioning them. No one is saying she deserved to be SA'd - if that is, indeed, what happened - but "regret" is not the same as "he groomed me" or "he raped me". You kinda sound like a man-hater, btw. Do you EVER question a woman's motives in these situations? Or are we to #believeAllWomenNoMatterWhat? 81% of women have experienced some kind of sexual assault in their lifetime. Of those 81%; half of those experiences are by someone they know. At the MOST, 10% of those cases are false, and that's being generous. Again, maybe men need to quit being so r@pey. I'm done responding to you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053 Posted Thursday at 03:35 PM 8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: 81% of women have experienced some kind of sexual assault in their lifetime. Of those 81%; half of those experiences are by someone they know. At the MOST, 10% of those cases are false, and that's being generous. Again, maybe men need to quit being so r@pey. I'm done responding to you. Yeah, no one's disagreeing with you here but maybe address the point ("he groomed me") instead of going off on a man-hating diatribe. The reason we can't have discussions is because no one can EVER question the woman's motives or story. So when someone like me comes along and questions it, you lose your sh#t and then just jump to "You support r@pe!". THAT is what shuts down conversation, not the questioning. Let's try to have a level discussion, if you can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,395 Posted Thursday at 03:47 PM 19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: 81% of women have experienced some kind of sexual assault in their lifetime. Of those 81%; half of those experiences are by someone they know. At the MOST, 10% of those cases are false, and that's being generous. Again, maybe men need to quit being so r@pey. I'm done responding to you. Explain rapey please? I'm 50 and knew boundaries but would love to know what constitutes rapey should I ever enter the market again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,354 Posted Thursday at 03:59 PM 22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Yeah, no one's disagreeing with you here but maybe address the point ("he groomed me") instead of going off on a man-hating diatribe. The reason we can't have discussions is because no one can EVER question the woman's motives or story. So when someone like me comes along and questions it, you lose your sh#t and then just jump to "You support r@pe!". THAT is what shuts down conversation, not the questioning. Let's try to have a level discussion, if you can. What makes you question this woman's motives? Do you have evidence that she's lying? What about all the other women that claim the same thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,311 Posted Thursday at 04:03 PM 34 minutes ago, RLLD said: YOU can ignore the banking statements evidence, the whistleblowers and the laptop contents if you choose. I say prosecute him based on that evidence right now, but I am not making that decision. If there is evidence that this kid did something, as there is with the Biden crime family, then by all means arrest and prosecute. Its odd that you do not understand this. According to the article, there was enough evidence of sexual harassment, assault and theft to open an investigation. If the investigation doesn’t find proof of wrongdoing to convict Starocci he’s innocent, right? Innocent until proven guilty? Right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,398 Posted Thursday at 04:07 PM Focking PSU. I said it after the Sandusky scandal, shut their sports programs down. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,757 Posted Thursday at 04:08 PM 1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: She said he groomed her? Wut? He was 22 years old and she was 17. At what point are women going to take responsibility for their own actions? That's as far as I got before I stopped reading. If there was an actual physical assault then that's not great, but doesn't she bear any responsibility for putting herself in that situation? With all of the laws and PSAs and services that we provide women over the last 40 or 50 years, haven't they learned anything at all? I’ll give him innocent until proven guilty on the rape allegation, but he’s also accused of: -Using the PSU athletic facilities to meet with underage girls -Theft from multiple teammates, one of which (a former NCAA finalist and all-around standup dude) who filed a report with University police -Taking nonconsensual explicit photos of teammates and sharing in a group Snapchat -“constantly” grabbing guys’ genitals during practices Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,398 Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM I'm sure PSU fans will make excuses for him. Some of the most serious claims in The Collegian’s report on Carter Starocci: – Contacted a 17-year-old and invited her to his apartment and team facilities – Accused of sexually assaulting a PSU freshman – Sent explicit images to underage girls – Teammates allege repeated groping and disturbing behavior in practice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Asian Man 40 Posted Thursday at 04:19 PM 31 minutes ago, Alias Detective said: Explain rapey please? I'm 50 and knew boundaries but would love to know what constitutes rapey should I ever enter the market again. Hold my beer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,463 Posted Thursday at 04:20 PM I dunno. I find the following difficult to believe: Quote In practice, Beau and Mark said Starocci would constantly grab their genitals and place his fingers into their backsides during practices. I'm not a wrestler but if some dude grabbed my genitals or stuck his finger in my butt I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kick his a$$. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,398 Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM 5 minutes ago, Strike said: I dunno. I find the following difficult to believe: I'm not a wrestler but if some dude grabbed my genitals or stuck his finger in my butt I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kick his a$$. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Asian Man 40 Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM 5 minutes ago, Strike said: I dunno. I find the following difficult to believe: I'm not a wrestler but if some dude grabbed my genitals or stuck his finger in my butt I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kick his a$$. Point to Panda Bear where the Tranny touched you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 274 Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM Thats a terrible article. Cant continue reading. Did she file a police report for rape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,463 Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM 2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Honestly, it doesn't surprise me at all. Some of us don't like it when other dudes grab our nuts. Happy for you though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,398 Posted Thursday at 04:31 PM 1 minute ago, Strike said: Some of us don't like it when other dudes grab our nuts. Happy for you though. Huh? Where did that come from? Just because I believe it happened doesn't mean I like it. Weirdo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites