Allegations of another sexual assault scandal at Penn State…

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Whaen I was 22 I didn’t and wouldn’t dip down to 17 to get laid. I didn’t need to. No one I knew did. It’s pathetic at the very least. But it’s more than that. 

[TimHauck 2,873]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

I dunno.  I find the following difficult to believe:

I'm not a wrestler but if some dude grabbed my genitals or stuck his finger in my butt I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kick his a$$.  

He was a 5x NCAA champ at the third heaviest weight and also trained in MMA, there was probably only 1 guy on the team that would’ve had a chance at kicking his azz, and I bet he didn’t do this to him.

[Nomad99 742]

 

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

 

81% of women have experienced some kind of sexual assault in their lifetime. This is hopefully a mistake in your interpretation of the data & not an attempt to shore up your argument......

Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime. That 81% includes ALL FORMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT AS WELL AS ASSAULT. 

One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime.

EVEN AT 20%....That is a horrific number & should alarm anyone. 

 

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

At the MOST, 10% of those cases are false, and that's being generous. Given your strong stance on men being "Rapey".........this is an incredibly cavalier attitude towards  10 out of 100 falsely accused men.

 

 

I agree with your stance on rape....it should NEVER HAPPEN. 

Your above indiscretions are alarming however......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

53 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

 

 

I agree with your stance on rape....it should NEVER HAPPEN. 

Your above indiscretions are alarming however......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

81% of "some kind of sexual assault." Ok, include harassment. Does that make it BETTER to say that 81% of women have been sexually harassed or assaulted in their lifetime? 

Falsely accusing someone of r@pe/assault/harassment? WRONG. Yes. Abhorrent. 

But even if 80 women out of 100 were assaulted and 10% of those 80 are false, you're still talking about 72 women that were assaulted out of 100 vs 10 out of 100 men falsely accused of it (or 2 out of 100 if you use the lower end of the stat because the stat is actually between 2% and 10% are false). 

So if a woman comes forward and says she was assaulted and harassed, the stats show that she probably was. It's less likely that he's being falsely accused. 

I don't think the issue here is that women "just need to be more aware of their surroundings and not get so drunk all the time."

 

Also, I am tapping out. As a woman on a male dominated message board, this isn't a subject that I will get through to ANY of you on...simply because you've never been followed when you're out running, never had to make sure you had your keys in your hand a certain way when you walk to your car, never had to be careful of what you wore when you went out because some man might think that cleavage = sex. You just won't ever get it. Unless and until a female in your life goes through it. It's scary. It's awful. And I really pray that it doesn't happen to someone you know and love. 

 

 

[Fnord 2,265]

58 minutes ago, Strike said:

I dunno.  I find the following difficult to believe:

I'm not a wrestler but if some dude grabbed my genitals or stuck his finger in my butt I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kick his a$$.  

Messed up stuff happens in locker rooms, and this dude was the PSU wrestling team's meal ticket. I'm sure he did whatever TF he wanted, especially given what appears to be a really f'd up culture in the PSU athletics dept.

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, no one's disagreeing with you here but maybe address the point ("he groomed me") instead of going off on a man-hating diatribe.   

The reason we can't have discussions is because no one can EVER question the woman's motives or story.  So when someone like me comes along and questions it, you lose your sh#t and then just jump to "You support r@pe!".  THAT is what shuts down conversation, not the questioning.  Let's try to have a level discussion, if you can.

Disclaimer: I mean the following with all due respect, even though I'm gonna sound like a dlck.

You're making some good points, but you're coming off like an a-hole. Your willingness to have an actual conversation about it is great. But, considering some of the stuff that you post in this place, it's tough to take your "So when someone like me comes along and questions it, you lose your sh#t and then just jump to "You support r@pe!".  THAT is what shuts down conversation, not the questioning." line seriously. While the verbiage is considerably different, this is a posting maneuver that you and many others (including me, to some extent) engage in with regularity in the GC. 

A perfect example is claiming someone is antisemitic the instant they question Zionism or the Israeli government. Or saying that violence is all caused by liberals (or conservatives).

[TimHauck 2,873]

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Messed up stuff happens in locker rooms, and this dude was the PSU wrestling team's meal ticket. I'm sure he did whatever TF he wanted, especially given what appears to be a really f'd up culture in the PSU athletics dept.

 

A funny thing about the wrestling team in particular’s “culture” is that they often talk about how much “fun” they have.  Also many of the PSU wrestlers (including the accused here, albeit not as much as some others on the team) are big Jesus lovers.  They even have a team Bible study that was previously (maybe still?) being led by a married father and Olympic gold medalist who a little over a month ago was arrested for soliciting a prostitute (he actually went to Ohio State, but is now affiliated with Penn State).

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

You really should be ashamed of yourself. 

Why don't men quit being so r@pey? Why can men who aren't getting any just leave us the fock alone? If I smile at you it doesn't mean you have ANY rights or access to my body. Why do I have to carry a weapon when I go out running? Why do I make sure that I don't go to the grocery store or anything at night? Why am I told that I need a "man in my life for protection?" Protection from whom - OTHER MEN. 

You can fock right off. 

Thank you @TheNewGirl. 
I disagree with you quite a bit and I know you don’t think much of my politics at all (or possibly not much of me at all) but I support what you wrote here 100%. I have two daughters now in their early 20s and feel exactly the same way. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

13 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Messed up stuff happens in locker rooms, and this dude was the PSU wrestling team's meal ticket. I'm sure he did whatever TF he wanted, especially given what appears to be a really f'd up culture in the PSU athletics dept.

Disclaimer: I mean the following with all due respect, even though I'm gonna sound like a dlck.

You're making some good points, but you're coming off like an a-hole. Your willingness to have an actual conversation about it is great. But, considering some of the stuff that you post in this place, it's tough to take your "So when someone like me comes along and questions it, you lose your sh#t and then just jump to "You support r@pe!".  THAT is what shuts down conversation, not the questioning." line seriously. While the verbiage is considerably different, this is a posting maneuver that you and many others (including me, to some extent) engage in with regularity in the GC. 

A perfect example is claiming someone is antisemitic the instant they question Zionism or the Israeli government. Or saying that violence is all caused by liberals (or conservatives).

Good point and duly noted.  I guess if I came off like a I apologize.  That was not my intent but I can see how that looks now after re-reading some of my posts and thinking for a bit.  I should have crafted my words better and more measured.  @Engorgeous George actually encapsulated my thoughts in a much better way.

I read the "he groomed me" comment in the article and that's what I went off on.  I actually stopped reading after that and went, "Oh, hear we go again".   When I hear that I immediately think "I partied hard last night and now regret it" because we've seen many men get falsely accused before.  He very well may have committed a bunch of SA, but the fact that we can NEVER question the woman otherwise we get "you support r@pe" immediately shuts down the conversation.  No one can ever ask how we got to this point because we have to 110% believe the woman OR ELSE.

Thanks for responding to my post the way you did. It made me think. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Good point and duly noted.  I guess if I came off like a I apologize.  That was not my intent but I can see how that looks now after re-reading some of my posts and thinking for a bit.  I should have crafted my words better and more measured.  @Engorgeous George actually encapsulated my thoughts in a much better way.

I read the "he groomed me" comment in the article and that's what I went off on.  I actually stopped reading after that and went, "Oh, hear we go again".   When I hear that I immediately think "I partied hard last night and now regret it" because we've seen many men get falsely accused before.  He very well may have committed a bunch of SA, but the fact that we can NEVER question the woman otherwise we get "you support r@pe" immediately shuts down the conversation.  No one can ever ask how we got to this point because we have to 110% believe the woman OR ELSE.

Thanks for responding to my post the way you did. It made me think. 

I found what you wrote awful but I don’t think you deliberately meant it that way. I believe your comments were well-intended. I’ve certainly made my share of posts in the past that came out much worse than intended. 
I think you’re a good dude (just absurdly wrong about almost all political issues!) 

[Ron_Artest 1,524]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you @TheNewGirl. 
I disagree with you quite a bit and I know you don’t think much of my politics at all (or possibly not much of me at all) but I support what you wrote here 100%. I have two daughters now in their early 20s and feel exactly the same way. 

Same here.  I have two daughters same age, plus an almost 20 son.  I've always taught my daughters to be vigilante and watch out for creeps, but more importantly I've taught my son to respect women and no means no.  If everyone raised their sons responsibly we would all be better off.  Instead we're devolved into this toxic manosphere that we find ourselves in where people like Eternal Douche blame rape victims.

[MDC 7,425]

I’d like to root for PSU football since it’s the closest major program to me. But there’s something undeniably gross about their whole athletics culture. I’ll just stick to NFL. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I found what you wrote awful but I don’t think you deliberately meant it that way. I believe your comments were well-intended. I’ve certainly made my share of posts in the past that came out much worse than intended. 
I think you’re a good dude (just absurdly wrong about almost all political issues!) 

I appreciate that, Tim.

I have a daughter as well and wouldn't want that to happen to her either.  It certainly is awful but, like I said, when I hear "he groomed me" that sounds like someone who doesn't want to examine their own choices and culpability.  Too many women, IMO, have weaponized it to gain victim status, cash or attention.  I understand there are lot of legitimate cases out there, but every time a woman falsely accuses a man because she doesn't want to face choices she made, it ruins it for the legitimate cases.

I have a son too, and wouldn't want him to be on the end of something like that too.  I can tell you with 100% confirmation that my wife knows someone who accused a man because she regretted sleeping with him.  And the funny thing is, these women are never held accountable.  But we always go after the man.

I'm just saying there has got to be a better way of examining the situation than the one where we can't EVER question one side of the equation.  Thoughts?

[Ron_Artest 1,524]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’d like to root for PSU football since it’s the closest major program to me. But there’s something undeniably gross about their whole athletics culture. I’ll just stick to NFL. 

It's not just athletics, it's the school also.  I'm glad that my son decided not to matriculate there.

[Nomad99 742]

36 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

 

I don't think the issue here is that women "just need to be more aware of their surroundings and not get so drunk all the time." agreed.  Being cautious & vigilant is still highly recommended 

 

 

Also, I am tapping out. As a woman on a male dominated message board, this isn't a subject that I will get through to ANY of you on...simply because you've never been followed when you're out running, never had to make sure you had your keys in your hand a certain way when you walk to your car, never had to be careful of what you wore when you went out because some man might think that cleavage = sex. You just won't ever get it.

 I do personally know women that this has happened to & it's awful.  I'm also not a trusting person in general. I carry a high percentage of the time and have a healthy suspicion of people & surroundings in general. I was in no way trying to minimize the severity of the subject,  rather i was just trying to maintain factual integrity. 

 

I like you(just not in that way), I think you have common sense, think critically & are intelligent. If you mistook anything i said as insulting it was definitely not my intention. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Same here.  I have two daughters same age, plus an almost 20 son.  I've always taught my daughters to be vigilante and watch out for creeps, but more importantly I've taught my son to respect women and no means no.  If everyone raised their sons responsibly we would all be better off.  Instead we're devolved into this toxic manosphere that we find ourselves in where people like Eternal Douche blame rape victims.

Priceless coming from this guy. 

[RLLD 4,230]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

According to the article, there was enough evidence of sexual harassment, assault and theft to open an investigation.

If the investigation doesn’t find proof of wrongdoing to convict Starocci he’s innocent, right? Innocent until proven guilty?

Right?  

Perfect.  They have evidence here as well, just as they do with Biden.  Now, until that evidence proves him guilty we can assume he is based on that evidence, and later if convicted we know he is guilty.

We would have to wait for the outcome of the trial before our beliefs on his guilt can be confirmed.  We have to suspect guilt in order to investigate or charge or prosecute, you start from the suspicion but we wait for the court. 

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36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Perfect.  They have evidence here as well, just as they do with Biden.  Now, until that evidence proves him guilty we can assume he is based on that evidence, and later if convicted we know he is guilty.

We would have to wait for the outcome of the trial before our beliefs on his guilt can be confirmed.  We have to suspect guilt in order to investigate or charge or prosecute, you start from the suspicion but we wait for the court. 

Just a few hours ago you said:

So, you’ll assume this kid is innocent unless an investigation finds proof of wrongdoing. But you insist Biden is guilty even after multiple investigations didn’t find proof of wrongdoing.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Just a few hours ago you said:

So, you’ll assume this kid is innocent unless an investigation finds proof of wrongdoing. But you insist Biden is guilty even after multiple investigations didn’t find proof of wrongdoing.

 

So then.....in YOUR mind.....you prosecute, when you think they are NOT guilty? Is .......that....what you think?

[MDC 7,425]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So then.....in YOUR mind.....you prosecute, when you think they are NOT guilty? Is .......that....what you think?

I’m just trying to get your logic straight Ray. If you assume this guy is innocent before an investigation is complete, why do you assume Biden is guilty even after several investigations? 

 

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23 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m just trying to get your logic straight Ray. If you assume this guy is innocent before an investigation is complete, why do you assume Biden is guilty even after several investigations? 

 

He thinks the investigations found proof he was guilty. 
 

Of course, they didn’t.

[RLLD 4,230]

49 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m just trying to get your logic straight Ray. If you assume this guy is innocent before an investigation is complete, why do you assume Biden is guilty even after several investigations? 

 

I assume he is innocent, but if they have enough evidence to indict then I also assume he might be guilty.....I have to at least make that assumption or I disagree with the prosecution....I mean.....how can you not get this?

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

I was doinking the 34 year MILF neighbor when I was 17. 

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3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

simply because you've never been followed when you're out running, never had to make sure you had your keys in your hand a certain way when you walk to your car, never had to be careful of what you wore when you went out because some man might think that cleavage = sex. You just won't ever get it. 

That's true.  Do you know what it feels like to be walking a dog and seeing women switch sides of the road so they don't have to walk past "the creepy man"...  i'm not even creepy - clean shaven/clean cut white dude. 

Now I know how blacks feel - yall be hating cause of statistics and sheet.  But I don't blame ya.  If I had a sweet-sweet vagina, I'd probably be scared too. 

[TimHauck 2,873]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I assume he is innocent, but if they have enough evidence to indict 

Cool, well they don’t.

[MDC 7,425]

29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I assume he is innocent, but if they have enough evidence to indict then I also assume he might be guilty.....I have to at least make that assumption or I disagree with the prosecution....I mean.....how can you not get this?

Biden wasn’t indicted and you still think he’s guilty. I’d ask why but we all know the answer.  

[Fnord 2,265]

28 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

That's true.  Do you know what it feels like to be walking a dog and seeing women switch sides of the road so they don't have to walk past "the creepy man"...  i'm not even creepy - clean shaven/clean cut white dude. 

My favorite is when you're at a bar and standing next to a random woman who covers her drink so you don't roofie her. I don't even know what a roofie is or how to get one!

I get it though, and try to be conscious of how I might be perceived in certain situations. If I'm walking behind a woman in a parking ramp and only the 2 of us are around, I'll back off or wait till she's away from me a bit before going to my car. It sucks to have to do that, but the woman doesn’t know I'm completely harmless.

[Fnord 2,265]

3 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Good point and duly noted.  I guess if I came off like a I apologize.  That was not my intent but I can see how that looks now after re-reading some of my posts and thinking for a bit.  I should have crafted my words better and more measured.  @Engorgeous George actually encapsulated my thoughts in a much better way.

I read the "he groomed me" comment in the article and that's what I went off on.  I actually stopped reading after that and went, "Oh, hear we go again".   When I hear that I immediately think "I partied hard last night and now regret it" because we've seen many men get falsely accused before.  He very well may have committed a bunch of SA, but the fact that we can NEVER question the woman otherwise we get "you support r@pe" immediately shuts down the conversation.  No one can ever ask how we got to this point because we have to 110% believe the woman OR ELSE.

Thanks for responding to my post the way you did. It made me think. 

I'm always available for a polite smackdown!

While we strongly disagree politically and some of the things you write make me cringe, I've come around to the fact that you may not be a horrible bastard and even enjoy our interactions. Thank you.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Cool, well they don’t.

Oh well then if there are no bank statements, witnesses or laptops full of evidence for this kid maybe they have something else almost as good 

[RLLD 4,230]

52 minutes ago, MDC said:

Biden wasn’t indicted and you still think he’s guilty. I’d ask why but we all know the answer.  

Oh yeah, given the evidence I think Biden is guilty, thats pretty easy.  Now, that they choose to not hold him to account is on them.

[MDC 7,425]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh yeah, given the evidence I think Biden is guilty, thats pretty easy.  Now, that they choose to not hold him to account is on them.

I see. That was Different.  

[RLLD 4,230]

19 minutes ago, MDC said:

I see. That was Different.  

How so? You are not making any sense  

[seafoam1 3,023]

19 minutes ago, MDC said:

I see. That was Different.  

Poor mdcack is getting his ass kicked again. 

[TimHauck 2,873]

39 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh well then if there are no bank statements, witnesses or laptops full of evidence for this kid maybe they have something else almost as good 

Have the bank records been released?  If they showed what you think they do the public would have seen them 

[RLLD 4,230]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Have the bank records been released?  If they showed what you think they do the public would have seen them 

Not sure what has been "released" or not but we know what they found.

Not that you would care, if Biden himself admitted it you would just call the source (Biden) as unreliable, so lets not pretend you have any care for the truth. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Joe Biden said he never spoke to his son about his overseas business dealings.  We know that is not true. So why did Biden lie about it, repeatedly? 

[MDC 7,425]

MAGAs complaining about kickbacks from foreign entities.

Hypocrisy is the brand.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Yeah. The Democrats just let Trumps kickbacks slide. Instead of going after him on that they decided to turn a misdemeanor at best into 34 felonies and have a high ranking official at the DOJ quit and go to a county prosecutor’s office to help prosecute it. I guess kickbacks are just too boring. 

[Ron_Artest 1,524]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. The Democrats just let Trumps kickbacks slide. Instead of going after him on that they decided to turn a misdemeanor at best into 34 felonies and have a high ranking official at the DOJ quit and go to a county prosecutor’s office to help prosecute it. I guess kickbacks are just too boring. 

What are they gonna do?  Impeach him?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What are they gonna do?  Impeach him?

Trump was after he left office.  I’m not saying to do that. That’s childish and only a drunken old hag like Pelosi would do that. But you liked it. 

[MDC 7,425]

It would be funny if we found out Burisma gave Biden a billion dollar jet.