Why do you vote Liberal/Progressive?

[Sandy Loam 57]

13 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lol mr. 1amer here.   You crack me up.  

Your posting diarrhea today has put you atop the leaderboard.

Congrats.

 

[listen2me 23 1,871]

7 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Your posting diarrhea today has put you atop the leaderboard.

Congrats.

 

I point out your diarrhea posts that are quite clearly throw away posts and read like peefoam.  Then you try to turn it around on me.  

You cant make it up.  

[Sandy Loam 57]

6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I point out your diarrhea posts 

Has to resort to repeating my term ...

Sad.

[seafoam1 2,953]

20 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Has to resort to repeating my term ...

Sad.

Dang. Poor rusty is hurting again. 

[listen2me 23 1,871]

43 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Has to resort to repeating my term ...

Sad.

Geez you are like 60 going on 13.   

Not sure what shtick you are going for here.  I can play along if I was privy to it.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

It’s a dumb question to even ask, but since the OP is in here every 2 minutes demanding answers, here’s a few that took no time at all to compile. 

The Democratic party platform supports middle class growth as an economic policy, foreign policy that supports Democratic allies, and individual freedoms for all Americans. 

The Republican party platform is “whatever Donald Trump says”. MAGA supports dictators like Putin and Orban. Uses ICE in tactical gear to disappear normal citizens, or near citizens, and demonizes trannys and immigrants, among many other vulnerable groups. 

So MAGA is an anti-American cult that supports one idiot as a cult leader. Democrats support the other 99% of us, and democracy around the world. Why this needs to be addressed, even superficially, is testament to how dumb MAGA is. 

Any other questions? 

When has the democrat party done anything for the middle class and when are they going to start these individual freedoms for all Americans.  Seems to me they care more about criminals and illegals than middle class 

[Sandy Loam 57]

9 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Geez you are like 60 going on 13.   

Not sure what shtick you are going for here.  I can play along if I was privy to it.  

You just want to pad your post count so you'll secure that coveted leaderboard ranking.

[Sandy Loam 57]

2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

It’s a dumb question to even ask, but since the OP is in here every 2 minutes demanding answers, here’s a few that took no time at all to compile. 

The Democratic party platform supports middle class growth as an economic policy, foreign policy that supports Democratic allies, and individual freedoms for all Americans. 

The Republican party platform is “whatever Donald Trump says”. MAGA supports dictators like Putin and Orban. Uses ICE in tactical gear to disappear normal citizens, or near citizens, and demonizes trannys and immigrants, among many other vulnerable groups. 

So MAGA is an anti-American cult that supports one idiot as a cult leader. Democrats support the other 99% of us, and democracy around the world. Why this needs to be addressed, even superficially, is testament to how dumb MAGA is. 

Any other questions? 

Excellent post, sir.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,690]

1. Liberals for the most part continue to support the global order since 1945 and the continued commitment and responsibilities of the USA as leader of the Free World with all that entails: 

2. Free trade being the most important element of capitalism by far, liberals currently find themselves in the odd historical position of being more capitalist than most conservatives. 

3. Liberals believe that most scientists are right about man made climate change, its urgency to our future survival, and that steps need to be taken to address it. 

4. Liberals believe that most immigration, including undocumented immigration, is a positive good for this country, a fundamental aspect of what makes this nation great. 
 

There are many other reasons but these for me are the four biggest.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Liberals for the most part continue to support the global order since 1945 and the continued commitment and responsibilities of the USA as leader of the Free World with all that entails: 

2. Free trade being the most important element of capitalism by far, liberals currently find themselves in the odd historical position of being more capitalist than most conservatives. 

3. Liberals believe that most scientists are right about man made climate change, its urgency to our future survival, and that steps need to be taken to address it. 

4. Liberals believe that most immigration, including undocumented immigration, is a positive good for this country, a fundamental aspect of what makes this nation great. 
 

There are many other reasons but these for me are the four biggest.  

Not a single thing you listed sounds positive to me 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,241]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Liberals for the most part continue to support the global order since 1945 and the continued commitment and responsibilities of the USA as leader of the Free World with all that entails: 

2. Free trade being the most important element of capitalism by far, liberals currently find themselves in the odd historical position of being more capitalist than most conservatives. 

3. Liberals believe that most scientists are right about man made climate change, its urgency to our future survival, and that steps need to be taken to address it. 

4. Liberals believe that most immigration, including undocumented immigration, is a positive good for this country, a fundamental aspect of what makes this nation great. 
 

There are many other reasons but these for me are the four biggest.  

Of course liberals think illegal immigration is good. It gives them extra seats in the house.

[The Real timschochet 6,690]

12 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Of course liberals think illegal immigration is good. It gives them extra seats in the house.

If that was the reason it would certainly be a stupid one, since (a) undocumented immigrants can’t vote (b) Latinos who CAN vote are trending more and more conservative. 
You don’t need to look for ulterior motives beyond the reasons I gave already. I believe that being pro-immigration, including undocumented immigration, is a fundamental aspect of Americanism. 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If that was the reason it would certainly be a stupid one, since (a) undocumented immigrants can’t vote (b) Latinos who CAN vote are trending more and more conservative. 
You don’t need to look for ulterior motives beyond the reasons I gave already. I believe that being pro-immigration, including undocumented immigration, is a fundamental aspect of Americanism. 

Your response just shows you have no clue what he’s even talking about. Illegals give democrats control 

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An over abundance of estrogen

[The Real timschochet 6,690]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Your response just shows you have no clue what he’s even talking about. Illegals give democrats control 

Population increases only give Democrats control if the areas in question continue to vote Democrat. Change some of the Republican bullsh!t and they won’t. 
 

 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,241]

1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

An over abundance of estrogen

This actually should be number 1

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Population increases only give Democrats control if the areas in question continue to vote Democrat. Change some of the Republican bullsh!t and they won’t. 
 

 

Umm sanctuary states anyone?  Republicans try to change that and you cry. Democrats have 8 extra at least congressional seats and electoral votes just because of illegals 

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

Respect for the Constitution, respect for all people, rule of law, support for the lower and middle classes, support for our allies and free trade...

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Respect for the Constitution, respect for all people, rule of law, support for the lower and middle classes, support for our allies and free trade...

Free trade you guys keep saying that but when has that ever been the case.  Of course the party of slavery loves their slave trade 

[supermike80 1,892]

As part of our general elections....we have to select regents for our state universities.  I don't know who they are nor do I care about them.  However, I make sure to always vote for liberals for University of Michigan regents.   They can muck up that university all day as far as I'm concerned.

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Free trade you guys keep saying that but when has that ever been the case.  Of course the party of slavery loves their slave trade 

Is this lying or sarcasm?  Either way it's all false.

[The Real timschochet 6,690]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Is this lying or sarcasm?  Either way it's all false.

@RaiderHaters Revenge is sincere in his views but he doesn’t understand any history. It’s like he gets his historical facts from a combination of Prager University and a MAGA box of Crackerjacks. He’s almost 100% wrong. @EternalShinyAndChrome is the same. I keep trying to educate both of them but they don’t want to know the truth. 

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@RaiderHaters Revenge is sincere in his views but he doesn’t understand any history. It’s like he gets his historical facts from a combination of Prager University and a MAGA box of Crackerjacks. He’s almost 100% wrong. @EternalShinyAndChrome is the same. I keep trying to educate both of them but they don’t want to know the truth. 

LOL

You can't make this bleep up

 

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@RaiderHaters Revenge is sincere in his views but he doesn’t understand any history. It’s like he gets his historical facts from a combination of Prager University and a MAGA box of Crackerjacks. He’s almost 100% wrong. @EternalShinyAndChrome is the same. I keep trying to educate both of them but they don’t want to know the truth. 

Yesterday he claimed that Democrats said that absentee ballot fraud is impossible.  When I pressed him on that he said it was just sarcasm.

So when he says things like Democrats support slavery or are against free trade I'm curious if he's just stupid or trolling.

[The Real timschochet 6,690]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yesterday he claimed that Democrats said that absentee ballot fraud is impossible.  When I pressed him on that he said it was just sarcasm.

So when he says things like Democrats support slavery or are against free trade I'm curious if he's just stupid or trolling.

On the slavery line he and @EternalShinyAndChrome are either trolling or just stupid. I suspect (hope the former.) They’re basing it of course on the argument that Democrats prior to 1864 were pro-slavery. Two problems with this: first only the southern Democrats were pro-slavery. The North broke with the south over this issue which is why the Democratic Convention in 1860 at a Charleston failed to produce a Presidential candidate. 

Second and more importantly: the Democrats of the 19th Century was NOT a liberal party. They were conservatives. The Republican Party of Abe Lincoln were the liberals, that is why they were often referred to as “radical Republicans.” It didn’t start to change until the New Deal and not fully until around 1968. This is the part that @RaiderHaters Revenge and @EternalShinyAndChrome know, or should. That’s why I think they’re just trolling. 

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@RaiderHaters Revenge is sincere in his views but he doesn’t understand any history. It’s like he gets his historical facts from a combination of Prager University and a MAGA box of Crackerjacks. He’s almost 100% wrong. @EternalShinyAndChrome is the same. I keep trying to educate both of them but they don’t want to know the truth. 

"They wrong because they don't listen to me" 

Tim, bless your soul.  There is a difference between "educate" and "indoctrinate".  You do the latter, not the former.  

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

"They wrong because they don't listen to me" 

Tim, bless your soul.  There is a difference between "educate" and "indoctrinate".  You do the latter, not the former.  

Do you believe that Democrats support slavery?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

57 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Is this lying or sarcasm?  Either way it's all false.

It’s not lying or sarcasm. Your guys idea of free trade is Chinese slave labor. Plain and simple 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

On the slavery line he and @EternalShinyAndChrome are either trolling or just stupid. I suspect (hope the former.) They’re basing it of course on the argument that Democrats prior to 1864 were pro-slavery. Two problems with this: first only the southern Democrats were pro-slavery. The North broke with the south over this issue which is why the Democratic Convention in 1860 at a Charleston failed to produce a Presidential candidate. 

Second and more importantly: the Democrats of the 19th Century was NOT a liberal party. They were conservatives. The Republican Party of Abe Lincoln were the liberals, that is why they were often referred to as “radical Republicans.” It didn’t start to change until the New Deal and not fully until around 1968. This is the part that @RaiderHaters Revenge and @EternalShinyAndChrome know, or should. That’s why I think they’re just trolling. 

Oh yah you were sold the ole party switch nonsense. What about the democrats of today and the 60s. You know the ones that want slave labor to pick our crops and clean toilets. Or the ones that fought against civil rights.  The ones that idolized Robert Byrd. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

30 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yesterday he claimed that Democrats said that absentee ballot fraud is impossible.  When I pressed him on that he said it was just sarcasm.

So when he says things like Democrats support slavery or are against free trade I'm curious if he's just stupid or trolling.

No you guys are 100% for free trade and you 100% support slave labor. Whether it’s via illegals or Uighurs. Need your cheap  

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

It’s not lying or sarcasm. Your guys idea of free trade is Chinese slave labor. Plain and simple 

1) Name one member of the democratic party the supports slavery

2) Slave labor is an issue and separate from free trade.  Trump has never stated the elimination of slave labor as a humanitarian mission and goal of tariffs.  Trump has announced tariffs on every country regardless of their ESG score.  Democrats support free trade, Republicans support protectionism, isolationism and wide scale tariffs.  Feel free to dispute that but I know you can't.

So if not lying or sarcasm, then it's just ignorance?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

1) Name one member of the democratic party the supports slavery

2) Slave labor is an issue and separate from free trade.  Trump has never stated the elimination of slave labor as a humanitarian mission and goal of tariffs.  Trump has announced tariffs on every country regardless of their ESG score.  Democrats support free trade, Republicans support protectionism, isolationism and wide scale tariffs.  Feel free to dispute that but I know you can't.

So if not lying or sarcasm, then it's just ignorance?

I don’t care about Trump. Fact of the matter free trade is based off slave labor 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,300]

Democrats ruined public schools, especially for our poorer citizens.  Many liberals vote for democrats because of that. They want to keep their voting block down and dependent. Obviously. 

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don’t care about Trump. Fact of the matter free trade is based off slave labor 

OK so ignorance it is.  We have free trade with many countries that is mutually beneficial.  Many US corporations have slave trade compliance that prohibits them from doing business with these companies that engage in slave labor.  Tariffs have nothing to do with slave labor.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,321]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

OK so ignorance it is.  We have free trade with many countries that is mutually beneficial.  Many US corporations have slave trade compliance that prohibits them from doing business with these companies that engage in slave labor.  Tariffs have nothing to do with slave labor.

When did I say tariffs. I don’t think American companies should ship jobs off shores to increase their profits by paying 3rd world countries peanuts 

if Columbia wants to trade us coffee for oil I’m all for that 

[Ron_Artest 1,368]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

When did I say tariffs. I don’t think American companies should ship jobs off shores to increase their profits by paying 3rd world countries peanuts 

if Columbia wants to trade us coffee for oil I’m all for that 

Alright more education for you.

Free trade v Fair trade.

Free trade is the exchange of goods and services between countries with little to no barriers like tariffs.  Democrats are for fair trade.  Republicans are against fair trade and want to use tariffs.

Fair trade is ensuring that the producers of these goods follow ESG guidelines like earning a fair wage and working in acceptable conditions.  This is where slave labor comes in.  I don't think either political party cares more about fair trade than the other.

So, democrats support free trade, republicans do not.  Get it?

[TheNewGirl 1,475]

18 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Asking the libs and the fake centrists.  

What part of their platform and what they stand for do you really get behind?

And please dont make it "but Trump".  Hard ask there.  No tell us the things and ideas you really support from the left.   

So I am officially "no party affiliation" on my registration. Which means, I basically cannot vote in the primaries. Not sure if this applies to me, but I'll answer anyways. 

When I vote Dem now, it's mostly for social programs that I believe in. I read everything that they send with the voting booklet, pros/cons, who is funding, etc Most of the time if I follow the money, then I vote accordingly if it's something I am okay with. 

Right now, I am really saddened by the fact that CA voted to let illegals into the Medicare and Medical programs. Those programs are now bankrupt and it's only been a year. They are now talking about passing legislation that to qualify, you have to make less than $2k/monthly. This will remove the majority of those older people out of those programs - leaving them to struggle to find decent affordable healthcare. But hey.....illegals get it for free. 

 

[Fnord 2,216]

Since @listen2me 23 seems like he's asking in good faith, I'll answer:

I believe in a social safety net, but not a system of handouts giving people reasons not to work. I want all Americans to have access to food and healthcare, two things that a country as rich as the US should never have citizens going without. I can accept that social programs will always have some level of abuse, waste, and fraud, but not to the point at which you just start pulling the plug on the programs with no plans as to how those being aided by them will be affected. I work hard for my money but understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am.

I DO NOT vote that way because I want children getting sex change operations, or because I'm a pedo, or like war, or can't define a woman. Anyone that believes any of those things is not only a brainwashed dipshit, but WANTS to be a brainwashed dipshit, and probably does not understand what it means to be an American.

I want the first and second amendments not to be fuct with. I want EVERYONE to pay their fair share of taxes, nothing more or less. I want our gov't to provide infrastructure, security, and law enforcement but stay the fock out of my personal life, my bedroom, my faith, and my healthcare decisions. I especially do not want a President that acts like, or has the power of, a king. When it comes to personal freedom and bodily autonomy, I'm closer to being a libertarian.

I'm a registered independent because both parties make me sick, just in different ways. The GOP is as corrupt as it gets, with the entire party in fealty to a crazy man. The Dems are less evil, but far more inept and ideologically fractured. Despite having some decent ideas, they can never seem to make any progress due mostly to their own failings, IMO. What they pulled with Biden last year was unforgivable. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,056]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Since @listen2me 23 seems like he's asking in good faith, I'll answer:

I believe in a social safety net, but not a system of handouts giving people reasons not to work. I want all Americans to have access to food and healthcare, two things that a country as rich as the US should never have citizens going without. I can accept that social programs will always have some level of abuse, waste, and fraud, but not to the point at which you just start pulling the plug on the programs with no plans as to how those being aided by them will be affected. I work hard for my money but understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am.

I DO NOT vote that way because I want children getting sex change operations, or because I'm a pedo, or like war, or can't define a woman. Anyone that believes any of those things is not only a brainwashed dipshit, but WANTS to be a brainwashed dipshit, and probably does not understand what it means to be an American.

I want the first and second amendments not to be fuct with. I want EVERYONE to pay their fair share of taxes, nothing more or less. I want our gov't to provide infrastructure, security, and law enforcement but stay the fock out of my personal life, my bedroom, my faith, and my healthcare decisions. I especially do not want a President that acts like, or has the power of, a king. When it comes to personal freedom and bodily autonomy, I'm closer to being a libertarian.

I'm a registered independent because both parties make me sick, just in different ways. The GOP is as corrupt as it gets, with the entire party in fealty to a crazy man. The Dems are less evil, but far more inept and ideologically fractured. Despite having some decent ideas, they can never seem to make any progress due mostly to their own failings, IMO. What they pulled with Biden last year was unforgivable. 

So, "unforgivable"?  As in, you won't be voting Democrat EVER again?  

I would be okay with that. 

[Fnord 2,216]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, "unforgivable"?  As in, you won't be voting Democrat EVER again?  

I would be okay with that. 

If Donald Trump weren't POTUS, I'd be a lot likelier to vote 3rd party, that's for sure.