TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 7 18 minutes ago, jerryskids said: This reads like a middle school girl who sewed her eyelids open and binge watched Chinese propaganda on TikTok for a week straight. The truth? If Israel left tomorrow, do you think Hamas would be gone and not in charge any more? The pictures? See the article I just posted. Is that the cerebral palsy kid or the cystic fibrosis kid? And yes, people are starving in Gaza. Have you seen the photos of Hamas eating feasts from the aid they stole? Have you seen Hamas driving the aid trucks and shooting in celebration? Have you seen that UNRWA is letting further aid trucks sit and rot because the IDF won't let them give them to Hamas? Oh no, hospitals and schools?! I hadn't heard! Why would they do that?! Oh yeah, we all knew from day 1 that Hamas built their terror tunnels under these structures. I honestly think that Hitler would have kicked you out of the Nazi party for hating Jews too much. Your brain is completely mush on this topic. I haven’t watched this whole video yet but this clip in the very beginning reminded me of you: ”each time Jerry says Hamas take a shot and you’ll be dead of alcohol poisoning in 2 minutes.” Honest question, what is your opinion of the West Bank? Do you really think Israel should have it all? Because as much as you blame Hamas for anything bad that happens, they don’t control the West Bank. So if the fighting in Gaza ended tomorrow, we’d still see Israelis trying to take over Palestinian land in the West Bank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,932 Posted August 7 Also @jerryskids - any argument you have with @Cdub100 serves as a straw man for you and I think you know it: cdub’s hatred of Jews is so unbending, so irrational, that it rivals Hamas. It makes your own position appear to be the correct one by default. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,658 Posted August 7 23 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Jerry, you cant be serious. You believe hamas's plan was to get their country completely leveled their government destroyed their meager military decimated and their people starve to death and murdered day after day. You actually believe that was their plan and if so they are currently winning. And then have the balls to say everyone else is being gas lit. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 38 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Jerry, you cant be serious. You believe hamas's plan was to get their country completely leveled their government destroyed their meager military decimated and their people starve to death and murdered day after day. You actually believe that was their plan and if so they are currently winning. And then have the balls to say everyone else is being gas lit. No, that wasn't their plan. They, like Hezbollah, have been terror proxies for Iran. Their plan was to get away with it, through a combination of Iran and Hezbollah support, and their belief that the western media would be their stooges and stop Israel from reciprocating. They got the stooge part right, but they significantly misgauged the West's willingness to let Israel go after them, and they significantly overestimated the military power of Iran and its other proxies. If you think Hamas gives one iota of care about the Palestinian people, other than to keep them alive another day for another photo op for you to watch on TikTok, then it is impossible to have an intelligent discussion about the situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 30 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I haven’t watched this whole video yet but this clip in the very beginning reminded me of you: ”each time Jerry says Hamas take a shot and you’ll be dead of alcohol poisoning in 2 minutes.” Honest question, what is your opinion of the West Bank? Do you really think Israel should have it all? Because as much as you blame Hamas for anything bad that happens, they don’t control the West Bank. So if the fighting in Gaza ended tomorrow, we’d still see Israelis trying to take over Palestinian land in the West Bank. Does my saying Hamas bother you? Does it remind you of the terror organization whose charter is the murder of all Jews and destruction of Israel? The group that parachuted into a music festival and raped and burned women and children, then took hostages back to the terror tunnels they built under schools and hospitals? The hostages many of whom are still in captivity, emaciated and perhaps digging their own graves? Does my saying Hamas make it harder for you to just see the Palestinians as innocent victims of Israel? I'm sorry if that's the case. Hamas Hamas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 7 12 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Does my saying Hamas bother you? Does it remind you of the terror organization whose charter is the murder of all Jews and destruction of Israel? The group that parachuted into a music festival and raped and burned women and children, then took hostages back to the terror tunnels they built under schools and hospitals? The hostages many of whom are still in captivity, emaciated and perhaps digging their own graves? Does my saying Hamas make it harder for you to just see the Palestinians as innocent victims of Israel? I'm sorry if that's the case. Hamas Hamas Non-responsive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,679 Posted August 7 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Non-responsive Like your pen1s in the presence of a naked Sydney Sweeney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Non-responsive Quote ”each time Jerry says Hamas take a shot and you’ll be dead of alcohol poisoning in 2 minutes.” Perhaps you need to learn what "responsive" means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,182 Posted August 7 16 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Non-responsive Why do you stalk people? It's weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 7 9 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Perhaps you need to learn what "responsive" means. Pretty sure the other day you called me “non-responsive” because I didn’t answer every single one of your questions in a post that had several. Besides, my Hamas comment wasn’t even a question. This was my question: 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Honest question, what is your opinion of the West Bank? Do you really think Israel should have it all? Because as much as you blame Hamas for anything bad that happens, they don’t control the West Bank. So if the fighting in Gaza ended tomorrow, we’d still see Israelis trying to take over Palestinian land in the West Bank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Three problems with the article @jerryskids first, as usual, it spends the majority of its time describing how awful and evil Hamas is. We get that. Nobody is saying that Hamas are the good guys. But Hamas being the bad guys doesn’t automatically make Israel good guys, which is always your implication. Second, the writer argues that Israel is the good guy because their goal is to “have peace with their neighbors.” But that is NOT their goal or at least not their only goal. Netanyahu’s party has stated time and again that they want to increase settlers in Gaza and the West Bank and eventually occupy all of this as the Bible demands. Only yesterday you defended this position claiming that the ancient state of Judea gives Israel legal right to this land. Now you claim to agree with this article 100% and that is a contradiction. Israel can’t both only want peace with its neighbors and to occupy Gaza and the West Bank. Finally, let’s suppose that the writer is correct and that Israel is the good guy in this affair- as I’ve stated many times I actually believe Israel is a good guy overall- though not necessarily here- but assuming they are, why does this absolve them from all bad acts? The author compared Israel to the North in the Civil War- not an analogy I would use but let’s run with it- are we now saying that because the North had the noble goal of freeing the slaves (only halfway through the war and only in Confederate states) that the North did nothing wrong in that war? Committed no bad acts? Because anyone who has studied that war knows it’s nonsense. Good guys should be held to a higher standard than bad guys because they’re good guys. Don’t you agree? I appreciate the response. My thoughts on your three problems: 1. It is not a problem to spend time reminding people how awful and evil is Hamas is. It needs doing. As I mentioned to the other Tim, I know it makes you uncomfortable. Your other subpoint here, that it doesn't make Israel the good guys, is semantically true, but you are dangerously close to the moral relativism I've mentioned. Israel could have turned Gaza into glass on 10/8; they didn't. I'm not going to re-litigate all the pablum you guys swallow from Hamas Harry (the pictures!), but for the purposes of discussion, let's call Israel, instead of good, slightly above average. They have a true existential crisis in the middle east (not this global warming cooling changing stuff), and are trying to destroy Hamas while not moving beyond Judeo-Christian values. Compared to Hamas that would make them, dare I say, relatively far better. 2. I'll largely defer to you here, except to say that I don't know of overt efforts to increase settlers in Gaza prior to Hamas invading Israel. And they seem more intent on destroying Hamas than settling in Gaza at the moment. Regarding my Judea comment, it's purpose was to show the hypocrisy of the Left -- they like to say that land belongs to the original people, but what they really mean is that it belongs to the more oppressed people. I'll need to learn more about current events in West Bank, which I believe yip yip Tim just bumped again for me, but I don't feel knowledgeable enough to respond, and if I did, it seems like a bit of a red herring on the Gaza topic. 3. Young acknowledges that bad things have happened; the difference is that IDF soldiers are held accountable when found. There will always be bad acts in war. Where we differ is that I don't believe that IDF leadership is telling its soldiers to shoot innocent children in the head. You and the other Tim seem to think so. Odd that you are both Jewish and have such a low opinion of your country, the IDF, and the soldiers serving in it, but we'll probably never agree on it. Thanks again for the post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Pretty sure the other day you called me “non-responsive” because I didn’t answer every single one of your questions in a post that had several. Besides, my Hamas comment wasn’t even a question. This was my question: Quote I'll need to learn more about current events in West Bank, which I believe yip yip Tim just bumped again for me, but I don't feel knowledgeable enough to respond, and if I did, it seems like a bit of a red herring on the Gaza topic. Oh, and in that June post of mine you pulled up, I asked what Israel should be doing instead, but you can't say some version of "I don't know but not this!" Did you answer that? If so, please give me a brief summary. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,073 Posted August 7 Netanyahu says Israel intends to take full control of all of Gaza as security cabinet meets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 7 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Also @jerryskids - any argument you have with @Cdub100 serves as a straw man for you and I think you know it: cdub’s hatred of Jews is so unbending, so irrational, that it rivals Hamas. It makes your own position appear to be the correct one by default. He finally found someone who might say Israel is worse than Hamas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 7 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: This is a great op ed. I can't think of a single thing wrong here. tl;dr -- you Hamas apologists are getting gaslit and it feeds your moral relativism need. https://www.thefp.com/p/coleman-hughes-the-simple-truth-about?r=vlmot&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false My comments: 1. As RealTim said, no one (even cdub) is saying that Hamas isn’t bad. 2. I think it’s weird to claim Hamas is fighting a battle of “information warfare,” but then bring up the fact that they released a video of them forcing their starving hostage to dig his own grave. If they want us to think Israel is the bad guy, that doesn’t help. 3. It’s disingenuous IMO to talk about Western journalists not being “skeptical” enough, considering THE IDF DOESN’T ALLOW OUTSIDE JOURNALISTS INTO GAZA except on their propaganda tour. Maybe if they did we’d see a better picture of what’s really going on. 4. I think it’s interesting the article notes the GHF’s aid distribution has been “largely ineffective” and that “there have been credible reports of soldiers shooting civilians.” Do you agree with that section? 5. I’ve said repeatedly that I wouldn’t call what Israel is doing genocide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,525 Posted August 7 2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: Netanyahu says Israel intends to take full control of all of Gaza as security cabinet meets Rip the bandaid off already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,945 Posted August 7 3 hours ago, TimHauck said: He finally found someone who might say Israel is worse than Hamas I want them both gone. But it's pretty clear Israel has been far worse for the US than Hamas. Don't mistake me calling out jews as support for the other side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 7 Not worth its own thread so I'll throw this here. I know some of the moderates here will call me racist or Islamophobic for posting this. Let's preserve this culture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 8 On 7/31/2025 at 8:06 PM, Strike said: Cool. So you acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. As such, their people deserve whatever fate befalls them. I'm glad we agree. Now can you tell your namesake all of this as well. On 8/1/2025 at 6:57 PM, Strike said: Yes Tim, unfortunately that's how WAR works. It's unfortunate that the Japanese people in Hiroshima had to bite the bullet for the war their government chose to get them involved in, but that's how one side wins and one side loses. As I said earlier today, you're s simpleton. And apparently there's at least one other simpleton on this bored because someone actually liked the post above. On 8/1/2025 at 7:19 PM, TimHauck said: Did they deserve it? Bump for Strike. Did the Japanese in Hiroshima deserve it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 560 Posted August 8 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Bump for Strike. Did the Japanese in Hiroshima deserve it? Check yes or no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 8 Just now, Meglamaniac said: Check yes or no Too bad he won’t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,932 Posted August 8 Israel has decided to occupy Gaza. Not permanently they claim, just until a peaceful government (not Hamas) can be established there. This was our plan in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,945 Posted August 8 Oy vey we had to kill the children because they're in front of supposed hamas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,546 Posted August 8 13 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Oy vey we had to kill the children because they're in front of supposed hamas It helps if you think of the children were helping to murder as terrorists in training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,963 Posted August 8 52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Israel has decided to occupy Gaza. Not permanently they claim, just until a peaceful government (not Hamas) can be established there. This was our plan in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. Best option I can imagine currently. Out of a lot of bad ones obviously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 8 Former AP reporter explains how Hamas controls both the reporters and the reporting in Gaza, and how a complicit media happily goes along, or is afraid not to: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK7NvOIR8wz/ I don't expect a lot of response from the "have you seen the pictures of starving children?!" crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 560 Posted August 8 15 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Former AP reporter explains how Hamas controls both the reporters and the reporting in Gaza, and how a complicit media happily goes along, or is afraid not to: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK7NvOIR8wz/ I don't expect a lot of response from the "have you seen the pictures of starving children?!" crowd. There are videos circulating that are filmed from an elevated POV that show hamas filming members giving food and/or water the children and then when they stop filming they take the food and water back and start heading towards other children to do the same thing again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 8 14 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Former AP reporter explains how Hamas controls both the reporters and the reporting in Gaza, and how a complicit media happily goes along, or is afraid not to: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK7NvOIR8wz/ I don't expect a lot of response from the "have you seen the pictures of starving children?!" crowd. Reminder:the IDF does not allow outside reporters into Gaza except on their propaganda tour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,525 Posted August 8 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Israel has decided to occupy Gaza. Not permanently they claim, just until a peaceful government (not Hamas) can be established there. This was our plan in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. I agree. They just need to take it over all together and call it New Isreal. Drive the natives out to sea. Rip the bandaid off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 301 Posted August 8 11 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Reminder:the IDF does not allow outside reporters into Gaza except on their propaganda tour Reminder: the media doesnt just go along with Israel's version of events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 301 Posted August 8 7 minutes ago, Horseman said: I agree. They just need to take it over all together and call it New Isreal. Drive the natives out to sea. Rip the bandaid off. Yep. Needs to be about 300k killed for this operation to be a success. At that point jordan and egypt will crack and take the rest of those d bags. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,382 Posted August 8 IDF stands for Israel Doesn't give a F u c k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 8 26 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Reminder:the IDF does not allow outside reporters into Gaza except on their propaganda tour Thoughts on the video? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 8 33 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said: There are videos circulating that are filmed from an elevated POV that show hamas filming members giving food and/or water the children and then when they stop filming they take the food and water back and start heading towards other children to do the same thing again The cognitive dissonance is strong with this. On the one hand, Lefties here have bent over backward to say that Hamas is evil and worse than Israel. (well, maybe not TimS). But then they hear about this, or see what I just posted, and their gut reaction is "nono, it can't be true, children are starving and it's Israel's fault!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,679 Posted August 8 38 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Reminder:the IDF does not allow outside reporters into Gaza except on their propaganda tour So if the IDF allowed international reporters in to Gaza do you think Hamas would let them report accurately and honestly what is happening there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,890 Posted August 8 43 minutes ago, Strike said: So if the IDF allowed international reporters in to Gaza do you think Hamas would let them report accurately and honestly what is happening there? The former AP reporter said that the AP would NOT publicize that they were being censored by Hamas. So... it's pretty clear that the AP middle east bureau, at least, is biased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 8 3 hours ago, Strike said: So if the IDF allowed international reporters in to Gaza do you think Hamas would let them report accurately and honestly what is happening there? I don’t know. But I do know a BBC reporter said she was specifically told she couldn’t even film from a helicopter dropping aid. In other words, there was likely nothing Hamas could have done about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,382 Posted August 8 I don't believe at all that Hamas wants Palestinians to starve and/or die. Hamas came from these people. Hamas are Palestinian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,199 Posted August 8 3 minutes ago, Gepetto said: I don't believe at all that Hamas wants Palestinians to starve and/or die. Hamas came from these people. Hamas are Palestinian. Hamas even goes the extra step of taking the war away from their people and not hiding themselves, their weapons and ammunition amongst the people like a lot of other terrorist organizations. Wait... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,989 Posted August 9 4 hours ago, jonnyutah said: Reminder: the media doesnt just go along with Israel's version of events. Didn’t say they did. I’m saying if western journalists were actually allowed in we’d have a better picture of what’s really happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites