U.S. & Venezuela Thread - Trump: "We're in charge"

[Sean Mooney 2,064]

We know why this happened. 

I'm indifferent towards it.

But it does indicate that we are not in a "No wars" era like people thought. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,686]

Colombia deploys army units to Venezuela border

The Colombian Army has deployed troops to the Paraguachon border crossing with Venezuela, reinforcing a permanent military presence in the municipality of Maicao in the department of La Guajira, according to an official statement released Sunday.

In a post published by the First Division of the National Army, the military said troops from the Medium Cavalry Group No. 10 are maintaining continuous operations in the Paraguachón district, a key crossing point on the Colombia–Venezuela border. The deployment includes LAV-III wheeled armored personnel carriers positioned along the roadway and surrounding areas.

“Soldiers of the Medium Cavalry Group No. 10 maintain a permanent military presence in the district of Paraguachón, municipality of Maicao, strengthening territorial control and surveillance at the border crossing between Colombia and Venezuela,” the First Division of the National Army said in its statement.

Colombia deploys army units to Venezuela border https://share.google/avmGQppLmyWkyE7K9

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Keep in mind the guy you’re responding to thinks a cabal of elites were using pizza as a code word for abusing children

He also thinks Donald Trump is a mystical figure sent here to save the world and drops hints of how he's going to do it on underground message boards.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,516]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Your schtick has run out.  I think we're all pretty sick of your "it's so obvious to see what is happening, just relax it's all going great, oh you just can't see the plan..". What's the plan? "Well you should be able to figure it out".  Come on dude.  Try and have an actual conversation for once.  You're moving in the ignore zone.

You will see one day that my "schtick" is actually great advice. Flow with the current of reality. Or don't. It's your choice. Fight it if it makes your ego feel better.

You will get more enjoyable results if you chill out more. Quit taking it all so seriously.

The only reason you would ever ignore me btw is because you are afraid of realizing what I say is true. Which would be a major hit to your identity.

[Mike Honcho 5,563]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The reward was set at $15 million in 2020, before Biden.   It was increased to $25 million in January 2025…are you now saying Biden actually knew what was happening in January 2025?

You shouldn't answer people who quit the board forever. 

[HellToupee 2,341]

2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Do you ever stop whining and complaining? That must be a terrible way to go through life.

Imagine the terrible energy he carries with him . It has to seep though into his actual life. Sad

[Frozenbeernuts 2,516]

54 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Imagine the terrible energy he carries with him . It has to seep though into his actual life. Sad

He probably smells like moldy garlic and fromunda.

[TimHauck 3,507]

3 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Do you ever stop whining and complaining? That must be a terrible way to go through life.

I think you meant to quote @Reality here

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm talking about Machado you idiot.  The opposition, edmundo gonzalez and maria Machado won the election.  Trump told them to go away, he wants to deal with the chavistas.

Explain to me how Machado won the election.  The last time I checked you have to actually be on the ballot to win an election.  

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Explain to me how Machado won the election.  The last time I checked you have to actually be on the ballot to win an election.  

Machado won the primary for the opposition party with 90% of the vote, but Maduro banned her from running, so she endorsed Gonzalez who was allowed to run, and he was recognized as the winner against Maduro by the US.  So without the shenanigans, Machado would be the president, but that's why I said "The opposition, edmundo gonzalez and maria Machado won the election" in an effort to avoid the semantics debate that you started.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,516]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think you meant to quote @Reality here

No just liberals.

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Machado won the primary for the opposition party with 90% of the vote, but Maduro banned her from running, so she endorsed Gonzalez who was allowed to run, and he was recognized as the winner against Maduro by the US.  So without the shenanigans, Machado would be the president, but that's why I said "The opposition, edmundo gonzalez and maria Machado won the election" in an effort to avoid the semantics debate that you started.

So she didn't win?  That's all you had to say.  You were wrong, as usual.

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

So she didn't win?  That's all you had to say.  You were wrong, as usual.

Yes Strike, Machado did not win the election.  It was wrong of me to say that.  Enjoy your victory.  I bow down to you.

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

So she didn't win?  That's all you had to say.  You were wrong, as usual.

Machado was forced to withdraw by the communist government. She eventually went into hiding. So much so that her exact location was unknown until she personally showed to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an event which apparently enraged our deranged Leader. 

In the election her unity party was represented Edmundo Gonzalez. Trump’s not recognizing Gonzalez or the party (frankly I seriously doubt he knows who they are even though yes likely been briefed on it repeatedly).

Same thing is going on with Guaido & the democratically elected parliament. Maga seems to have completely forgotten the struggles & players from Trump1. To his credit back then Trump & iirc Tillerson backed the opposition completely. Now he brushes them aside & wants to work with the Chavistas. He’s utterly corrupt.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Machado was forced to withdraw by the communist government. She eventually went into hiding. So much so that her exact location was unknown until she personally showed to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an event which apparently enraged our deranged Leader. 

In the election her unity party was represented Edmundo Gonzalez. Trump’s not recognizing Gonzalez or the party (frankly I seriously doubt he knows who they are even though yes likely been briefed on it repeatedly).

Same thing is going on with Guaido & the democratically elected parliament. Maga seems to have completely forgotten the struggles & players from Trump1. To his credit back then Trump & iirc Tillerson backed the opposition completely. Now he brushes them aside & wants to work with the Chavistas. He’s utterly corrupt.

It's a yes/no question. Did she win the election?  When you or Artest feel compelled to write a book about it I've already won.   As a reminder, I responded to the following statement:

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The opposition, edmundo gonzalez and maria Machado won the election

That statement is factually incorrect.  She did NOT win the election, either alone or on a ticket with Gonzalez.  That doesn't mean she wouldn't have.  We don't know.  But she did not win the election. 

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

You know it's bad when you have to resort to semantics debates in order to get "wins"

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's a yes/no question. Did she win the election?  When you or Artest feel compelled to write a book about it I've already won.  

I provided more information. Her party won the election or would have in a normal election environment. Drilling home Machado didn’t “win” the election is to adopt the Chavista stance, which I will not do.

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

Maduro no more won his election than Putin won his or Xi or Kim theirs. It’s just continued cynicism in support of tyranny.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I provided more information. Her party won the election or would have in a normal election environment. Drilling home Machado didn’t “win” the election is to adopt the Chavista stance, which I will not do.

I don't know what a Chavista stance is but I know Machado did not win an election she wasn't even on the ballot of.  As far as you not admitting she didn't win, that's because you're a hack who ignores facts.  Trump broke you.

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Of course not.  Because you're a hack who ignores facts.  Trump broke you.

And you sound like Noam Chomsky high on his own supply. You are actually arguing there was a legitimate election in Venezuela?

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And you sound like Noam Chomsky high on his own supply. You are actually arguing there was a legitimate election in Venezuela?

I have not made that claim.  On the flip side, you and Artest are arguing she "won" that election you are now claiming is illegitimate.  If I have any stance it's that removing Maduro IS LEGITIMATE specifically BECAUSE that election was s SHAM.  But, to the extent that an "election" was held, she did not win it.  So, only one of us is making a factually accurate claim.  That is me when I claim that she didn't win the election.  You guys are the ones claiming BOTH that the election was illegitimate AND that she won it even though she wasn't on the ballot.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok say I adopt your POV. The election had a winner, who was it?

Depends who you ask.  We KNOW it wasn't someone who wasn't even on the ballot though, don't we?

[TimHauck 3,507]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have not made that claim.  On the flip side, you and Artest are arguing she "won" that election you are now claiming is illegitimate.  If I have any stance it's that removing Maduro IS LEGITIMATE specifically BECAUSE that election was s SHAM.  But, to the extent that an "election" was held, she did not win it.  So, only one of us is making a factually accurate claim.  That is me when I claim that she didn't win the election.  You guys are the ones claiming BOTH that the election was illegitimate AND that she won it even though she wasn't on the ballot.

Gutter already gave you your win.  His claim was Trump is ignoring the results of the election, technically won by González.  Do you agree?

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have not made that claim.  On the flip side, you and Artest are arguing she "won" that election you are now claiming is illegitimate.  If I have any stance it's that removing Maduro IS LEGITIMATE specifically BECAUSE that election was s SHAM.  But, to the extent that an "election" was held, she did not win it.  So, only one of us is making a factually accurate claim.  That is me when I claim that she didn't win the election.  You guys are the ones claiming BOTH that the election was illegitimate AND that she won it even though she wasn't on the ballot.

You guys?  Did you miss my post where I bent the knee and admitted that she did not technically win the election?  And you call me a troll.

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Depends who you ask.  We KNOW it wasn't someone who wasn't even on the ballot though, don't we?

I’ve re-read your post. Too much coffee on my part. Paz. God Bless Venezuela, I sincerely hope their democratic opposition is recognized by the US government. Crazy that’s not the case.

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’ve re-read your post. Too much coffee on my part. Paz. God Bless Venezuela, I sincerely hope their democratic opposition is recognized by the US government. Crazy that’s not the case.

It was, by Biden.  Trump rejected it.

[Strike 6,095]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Gutter already gave you your win.  His claim was Trump is ignoring the results of the election, technically won by González.  Do you agree?

The election wasn't technically won by Gonzalez.  There is no winner due to the irregularities associated with that election.  That's your problem.  Is it likely Gonzalez won?  Sure, I'll concede that if it makes you happy.  But declaring him the winner without the appropriate safeguards and the counting of ballots required to actually declare a winner is as bad as Trump claiming the 2020 election was stolen.  It's funny how you want to accept Gonzalez as the winner despite all the shenanigans associated with that election, yet call Trump an insurrectionist for suggesting there were irregularities in 2020.  It's almost like you have a bias......

[TimHauck 3,507]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

The election wasn't technically won by Gonzalez.  There is no winner due to the irregularities associated with that election.  That's your problem.  Is it likely Gonzalez won?  Sure, I'll concede that if it makes you happy.  But declaring him the winner without the appropriate safeguards and the counting of ballots required to actually declare a winner is as bad as Trump claiming the 2020 election was stolen.  It's funny how you want to accept Gonzalez as the winner despite all the shenanigans associated with that election, yet call Trump an insurrectionist for suggesting there were irregularities in 2020.  It's almost like you have a bias......

So you disagree with Marco Rubio, got it.

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you disagree with Marco Rubio, got it.

I have no idea what Rubio has said.  Unlike you, I don't blindly follow what anyone says. I do my own research and form my opinions based upon that.  

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

The election wasn't technically won by Gonzalez.  There is no winner due to the irregularities associated with that election.  That's your problem.  Is it likely Gonzalez won?  Sure, I'll concede that if it makes you happy.  But declaring him the winner without the appropriate safeguards and the counting of ballots required to actually declare a winner is as bad as Trump claiming the 2020 election was stolen.  It's funny how you want to accept Gonzalez as the winner despite all the shenanigans associated with that election, yet call Trump an insurrectionist for suggesting there were irregularities in 2020.  It's almost like you have a bias......

This is some next level trolling! Bravo!

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

FYI, The US recognized Gonzalez as the winner.

The U.S. government on Thursday recognized Venezuelan opposition candidate Edmundo González as the winner of the South American country's presidential election, discrediting the results announced by electoral authorities who declared President Nicolás Maduro the victor.

"Given the overwhelming evidence, it is clear to the United States and, most importantly, to the Venezuelan people that Edmundo González Urrutia won the most votes in Venezuela's July 28 presidential election," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/former-lawmaker-maria-corina-machado-dominates-oppositions-presidential-primary-in-venezuela

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

I’m not sure people realize what Chavez & Maduro did. They created an alternate, parallel VZ Supreme Court & VZ Congress. Their original constitution was very closely mirrored on our own US Constitution. The  communists created a new court then that court recognized the new legislature. So there have been multiple decisions & elections since at least 2017 relating to this parallel government. The legitimately elected legislative leader Guaido is in exile. 

All the opposition forces - left, right, middle, everyone opposed to the communist regime - ran on one ticket - Comando Con Venezuela. Machado won the nomination. The illegal Supreme Court rejected Machado & she was banned from the ballot. Machado was replaced by Edmundo Gonzalez, but he was considered a placeholder or stand-in for Machado, who had been rallying democrats for over a decade.

ComConVz did its own election tracking which shows they won the election, and they brought receipts.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,148]

Hell of a mission boys. Hats off to Pete Hegseth.  

[Fnord 2,679]

11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m not sure people realize what Chavez & Maduro did. They created an alternate, parallel VZ Supreme Court & VZ Congress. Their original constitution was very closely mirrored on our own US Constitution. The  communists created a new court then that court recognized the new legislature. So there have been multiple decisions & elections since at least 2017 relating to this parallel government.

Trump approves of this playbook. He's already been using it.

[Strike 6,095]

And since you guys brought it up and are so invested in the "election" in Venezuela, it's worth noting that Biden pulled back sanctions from Venezuela because Maduro promised him free and fair elections, and promptly went back on that.  So there's another failure we can pin on Biden.

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

Just now, Strike said:

And since you guys brought it up and are so invested in the "election" in Venezuela, it's worth noting that Biden pulled back sanctions from Venezuela because Maduro promised him free and fair elections, and promptly went back on that.  So there's another failure we can pin on Biden.

Yes BIDEN@#$ had many failures, but he's gona, and we're discussing the Trump failures now.

[SaintsInDome2006 843]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

And since you guys brought it up and are so invested in the "election" in Venezuela, it's worth noting that Biden pulled back sanctions from Venezuela because Maduro promised him free and fair elections, and promptly went back on that.  So there's another failure we can pin on Biden.

I’m actually in agreement with the Trump1’s administration’s VZ stance, & I agree with your point above presuming it’s true. But it also needs to be pointed out that the Biden administration brought the indictment this raid was purportedly launched for. It’s also worth pointing out Trump2 sent his special pal Grenell to Venezuela to personally reach a deal with Maduro as well, which the *US reneged on.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes BIDEN@#$ had many failures, but he's gona, and we're discussing the Trump failures now.

Arresting Maduro was a failure?  

[Ron_Artest 2,628]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Arresting Maduro was a failure?  

Well it was illegal.

[Strike 6,095]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m actually in agreement with the Trump administration’s VZ stance in Trump1, & I agree with your point above presuming it’s true. But it also needs to be pointed out that tge Biden administration brought the indictment this raid was purportedly launched for.

Link supporting this statement?  My understanding is that this indictment is a continuation of indictments dating back to 2011.  In fact, this indictment is like the 260th court filing in the case. It's a "superseding" indictment and not the original indictment.  I'm open to being proven wrong though so please provide a link saying Biden INITIATED the indictments against Maduro and his wife.