Charlie Kirk was just shot

[SaintsInDome2006 797]

There’s a struggle for control of Turning Point USA.

And in case yall don’t know there has been a schism at the TPUSA between the Bannon/Fuentes faction & the Shapiro faction.

[dogcows 1,258]

They recreated the spot where Kirk was shot so people could get selfies there.

What the F is wrong with MAGA weirdos?

[dogcows 1,258]

8 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

considering he never said anything racist, that doesn't really say much

 

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If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. And I’m aware that half this board agrees with this stuff. That doesn’t make it any less racist.

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Charlie Kirk is our generations Martin "Lucifer" King, only Kirk was a much better person. 

 

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Most blacks think the same. Is that racist? 

No they don't.  Regardless, doesn't matter what color the person is, if you think a person might be unqualified based on the color of their skin, that is racism.

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2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

Wow you can take a quote out of context and run with that dummy

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. And I’m aware that half this board agrees with this stuff. That doesn’t make it any less racist.

Where is the racist part?

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2 hours ago, peenie said:

Well no one should ever think the thought because if you see a black pilot, he’s the best! To make it through, he or she is most likely BETTER than your average white pilot. 

None of what you said is true. Every body knows affirmative action takes people less qualified based only on their skin color

[dogcows 1,258]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Where is the racist part?

Like I said, you and others think it’s funny to be racist. So funny I forgot to laugh.

[dogcows 1,258]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Well no one should ever think the thought because if you see a black pilot, he’s the best! To make it through, he or she is most likely BETTER than your average white pilot. 

Truth

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10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Where is the racist part?

Would you consider Islamaphobia to be racist?

[Ron_Artest 2,467]

16 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Wow you can take a quote out of context and run with that dummy

I'd love to hear you try and explain how any context of this quote is acceptable.

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6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'd love to hear you try and explain how any context of this quote is acceptable.

“He’s not saying all black pilots are unqualified, he’s only saying DEI enables unqualified ones to get hired!”

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27 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No they don't.  Regardless, doesn't matter what color the person is, if you think a person might be unqualified based on the color of their skin, that is racism.

Ummm, yes they do

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18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Would you consider Islamaphobia to be racist?

Do you? You think Malcolm X and Cat Stevens are the same race? Idiot. 

[Ron_Artest 2,467]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

“He’s not saying all black pilots are unqualified, he’s only saying DEI enables unqualified ones to get hired!”

Yes I know, which is false.  I'm willing to accept that he's just stupid but I'm pretty sure he's not.

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3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

2 statements:

A.) "I'm sorry. If I see a pilot, I'm going to be like 'Boy I hope he's qualified.'"

B.) "I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like 'Boy I hope he's qualified.'"

 

Do you really not see why the 2nd sentence is an issue?

What's the context?  If it's in the context of DEI, then it's not racist.  The whole thing with DEI is hire minorities no matter what. And yes, I know it's supposed to be qualified people, but in execution of the idea, it became hire anyone but white males first.  Worry about qualifications second.

If it's just that he thinks that a black person naturally is less qualified to be a pilot, then that's racist.

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8 minutes ago, nobody said:

What's the context?  If it's in the context of DEI, then it's not racist.  The whole thing with DEI is hire minorities no matter what. And yes, I know it's supposed to be qualified people, but in execution of the idea, it became hire anyone but white males first.  Worry about qualifications second.

If it's just that he thinks that a black person naturally is less qualified to be a pilot, then that's racist.

Didn’t you already acknowledge that a different statement Kirk made was in fact racist in your opinion?

[nobody 2,937]

I came across a chart I wasn't supposed to see a while back looking for something on some random SharePoint site.  

The department head had our org chart and highlighted all the women, women of color, and men of color.  All the managers were non-white males, so thank God we passed the racism test.  Unfortunately, most of our tech leads were white males, so that'll need to get fixed I'm sure.  

Our new VP is a woman, and has hired almost exclusively women for every role under her. 

But yeah, they're just hiring the most qualified candidates in a field where 75% of the work force are men, we just got super lucky that all the most qualified people were women.

 

[nobody 2,937]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Didn’t you already acknowledge that a different statement Kirk made was in fact racist in your opinion?

Probably.  I didn't even know who kirk was prior to him getting shot, so I have to make judgement calls on limited context,  but dude was a race hustler for sure.  He had to know context or not, his words would get aggregated, so I think he didn't mind giving those sound bites knowing he could tap dance his way around it.  It's hard to tell with the race hustlers how much of what they say is grift and how much they really believe.

[SaintsInDome2006 797]

It’s an important point that the GOP wants to wave Kirk’s bloody shirt but reality is few knew who he was. And the right wing love of him was not solid, the (really) extreme right was never on board with the Christian acceptance of gays, tolerating of opposing viewpoints in normalized debate, & especially the support for Israel. 

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3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Like I said, you and others think it’s funny to be racist. So funny I forgot to laugh.

I happen to believe that you, and others, take anyone with a realistic view and label them racist if it fits your narrative. A microcosm of the democratic party, if you will. 

For example, if I see a black pilot, I don't think anything. I've never seen any pilot and wondered if they were qualified or anything else about them. HOWEVER, reality is DEI and affirmative action created situations in all sectors and all companies where they felt a need to pander to optics above all else and many times hires have been made of less qualified candidates in order to fill a quota. So if someone points this out it doesn't make them racist just because you want them to be 

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1 hour ago, nobody said:

  It's hard to tell with the race hustlers how much of what they say is grift and how much they really believe.

like a handful of posters on this board

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5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I happen to believe that you, and others, take anyone with a realistic view and label them racist if it fits your narrative. A microcosm of the democratic party, if you will. 

For example, if I see a black pilot, I don't think anything. I've never seen any pilot and wondered if they were qualified or anything else about them. HOWEVER, reality is DEI and affirmative action created situations in all sectors and all companies where they felt a need to pander to optics above all else and many times hires have been made of less qualified candidates in order to fill a quota. So if someone points this out it doesn't make them racist just because you want them to be 

This is all a lie. Maybe you believe it because you’re inundated with right-wing propaganda. The pilot licensing system requires many hours of training and time in the simulator and in the air; there are no shortcuts. 

The DEI lies are just a way to get white people mad at everybody else so they will vote to give billionaires more tax breaks. Once you truly see that, you can’t un-see it.

And since Kirk was the one peddling those lies for the elites, we know he was gleefully saying things he knew to be untrue.

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1 hour ago, nobody said:

What's the context?  If it's in the context of DEI, then it's not racist.  The whole thing with DEI is hire minorities no matter what. And yes, I know it's supposed to be qualified people, but in execution of the idea, it became hire anyone but white males first.  Worry about qualifications second.

If it's just that he thinks that a black person naturally is less qualified to be a pilot, then that's racist.

At the most- I think I'd say perhaps he made his point in the worst possible way. 

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13 minutes ago, dogcows said:

This is all a lie. Maybe you believe it because you’re inundated with right-wing propaganda. The pilot licensing system requires many hours of training and time in the simulator and in the air; there are no shortcuts. 

The DEI lies are just a way to get white people mad at everybody else so they will vote to give billionaires more tax breaks. Once you truly see that, you can’t un-see it.

And since Kirk was the one peddling those lies for the elites, we know he was gleefully saying things he knew to be untrue.

I'm not claiming to know how pilots get hired by certain airlines. Does a pilot have to come up through testing with the airline they will be flying for? Or do they obtain their license and THEN get hired from a pool of other licensed pilots?  I just got finished saying that i've never seen a black pilot and wondered if they were qualified. Possibly BECAUSE I know that all pilots should be very qualified. Doesn't change the fact that some pilots are better than others. 

I am not saying that in DEI situations, companies are hiring completely unqualified candidates for positions. Almost anyone can function to some degree in middle management, for example. I'm saying DEI created an optics culture that lead to less qualified candidates being hired. I know it for a fact. Every time I hired someone who was not the female candidate or minority candidate, I had to sit down with HR and answer questions about my decision process, because they clearly would have preferred I hire a minority candidate... and my experience was not unique. 

the fact that you think it's all DEI lies is hilarious and, imho, shows how brainwashed you are by the left.

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15 minutes ago, dogcows said:

so they will vote to give billionaires more tax breaks. 

And millionaires.  

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Every time I hired someone who was not the female candidate or minority candidate, I had to sit down with HR and answer questions about my decision process, because they clearly would have preferred I hire a minority candidate... and my experience was not unique. 

This is not the way a good company should operate. You may want to look for a different employer.

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49 minutes ago, Fnord said:

This is not the way a good company should operate. You may want to look for a different employer.

all of that has eased up as companies are feeling less pressured on the diversity issue. Also, as I mentioned, my experience was not unique. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

all of that has eased up as companies are feeling less pressured on the diversity issue. Also, as I mentioned, my experience was not unique. 

I have worked for a "woke" company for a decade and been hiring people in my dept. for most of that time. I've never been questioned about any of my hires, even when they turned into crap employees. There has never been even a hint at quotas or preferring women/minorities. Maybe I'm just lucky because I've hired plenty of both, but I don't think that's the case. Hire the person with the best qualifications and demeanor and you'll never go wrong, even if they don't work out.

It's amazing to me that people would put up with anything but transparency, but maybe I'm just fortunate. I've also worked for scumbags that refused to hire blacks or mexicans, or treated them like garbage if I did. That's also a poor way to run a company.

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6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I have worked for a "woke" company for a decade and been hiring people in my dept. for most of that time. I've never been questioned about any of my hires, even when they turned into crap employees. There has never been even a hint at quotas or preferring women/minorities. Maybe I'm just lucky because I've hired plenty of both, but I don't think that's the case. Hire the person with the best qualifications and demeanor and you'll never go wrong, even if they don't work out.

It's amazing to me that people would put up with anything but transparency, but maybe I'm just fortunate. I've also worked for scumbags that refused to hire blacks or mexicans, or treated them like garbage if I did. That's also a poor way to run a company.

i've never been questioned, after the fact, if a hire didn't work out (no more than during a typical exit interview process)... but it was very evident when a shift was happening because, as I said, HR would want to sit down with you pretty much only if you hired a white male (sometimes even a white female) and others were up for the job. This would happen almost immediately, well before any onboarding even took place. Didn't bother me because I would just repeat that I hired the most qualified candidate for the position. You could tell that HR was just doing what it was told to do. 

but again I know people who dealt with similar at much higher profile companies 

[Horseman 2,716]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I have worked for a "woke" company for a decade and been hiring people in my dept. for most of that time. I've never been questioned about any of my hires, even when they turned into crap employees. There has never been even a hint at quotas or preferring women/minorities. Maybe I'm just lucky because I've hired plenty of both, but I don't think that's the case. Hire the person with the best qualifications and demeanor and you'll never go wrong, even if they don't work out.

It's amazing to me that people would put up with anything but transparency, but maybe I'm just fortunate. I've also worked for scumbags that refused to hire blacks or mexicans, or treated them like garbage if I did. That's also a poor way to run a company.

You dont get questioned by HR when you are HR.  

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6 hours ago, dogcows said:

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. And I’m aware that half this board agrees with this stuff. That doesn’t make it any less racist.

I’m sorry he got shot but the world is a better place with CK not in it.

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m sorry he got shot but the world is a better place with CK not in it.

This guy is pure class.  

[MDC 8,111]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

This guy is pure class.  

Truth hurts. 

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32 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i've never been questioned, after the fact, if a hire didn't work out (no more than during a typical exit interview process)... but it was very evident when a shift was happening because, as I said, HR would want to sit down with you pretty much only if you hired a white male (sometimes even a white female) and others were up for the job. This would happen almost immediately, well before any onboarding even took place. Didn't bother me because I would just repeat that I hired the most qualified candidate for the position. You could tell that HR was just doing what it was told to do. 

but again I know people who dealt with similar at much higher profile companies 

Based on what you’ve said here this sounds more like they just wanted to make sure you weren’t being racist and rejecting other candidates because of their race.  Not everyone is out to get whitey.

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10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Based on what you’ve said here this sounds more like they just wanted to make sure you weren’t being racist and rejecting other candidates because of their race.  Not everyone is out to get whitey.

I am not saying anyone is "out to get whitey" .  I am saying their was an agenda. There are plenty of ways to make sure candidates are not being rejected based on race without sitting down with a hiring manager ONLY after they hire a white person, and never when they hire a person of color. 

The notion that DEI didn't create quotas for optics is laughable. Quotas exist in many forms all over organizations and they are often based on the implementation of new practices and policies. I am likely not even someone who absolutely hates DEI the way some others around here do but the comment from dogcow that it's all DEI lies made up by racist right wing white people is wild. 

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21 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I am not saying anyone is "out to get whitey" .  I am saying their was an agenda. There are plenty of ways to make sure candidates are not being rejected based on race without sitting down with a hiring manager ONLY after they hire a white person, and never when they hire a person of color. 

The notion that DEI didn't create quotas for optics is laughable. Quotas exist in many forms all over organizations and they are often based on the implementation of new practices and policies. I am likely not even someone who absolutely hates DEI the way some others around here do but the comment from dogcow that it's all DEI lies made up by racist right wing white people is wild. 

Yes I’m sure less qualified people have been hired to fill a quota.  But it doesn’t sound like your company had a quota 

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5 hours ago, nobody said:

I came across a chart I wasn't supposed to see a while back looking for something on some random SharePoint site.  

The department head had our org chart and highlighted all the women, women of color, and men of color.  All the managers were non-white males, so thank God we passed the racism test.  Unfortunately, most of our tech leads were white males, so that'll need to get fixed I'm sure.  

Our new VP is a woman, and has hired almost exclusively women for every role under her. 

But yeah, they're just hiring the most qualified candidates in a field where 75% of the work force are men, we just got super lucky that all the most qualified people were women.

 

100%

My old company took a bunch of women who were in HR, married to executives of course, and made them all VPs of various departments with zero experience.  Primarily to try and overcome a a field that's always been dominated by men. Completely nuts.  

[TimHauck 3,435]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’m sorry he got shot but the world is a better place with CK not in it.

I don’t really agree with this, because:

1) Conservatives are going to constantly use his murder to claim they’re being “hunted” even though they’re not

2) Even though he said a bunch of vile stuff, he always condemned actual violence, so conservatives are constantly going to claim “Charlie always condemned actual violence and ‘they’ killed him anyway!”  (Nevermind the fact that Robinson doesn’t even appear to have been very political)