kilroy69 1,261 Posted Saturday at 04:28 AM I have been a recruiter for years now and this is focking amazing. I have watched as the H1B system has been abused. How us workers are overlooked for h1b candidates that will literally lie to you and tell you they have every skill you could possibly want and do the job for cheaper than an Amercian because the average salary in india is like 4100 usd a year. When they come here they can get more money in 3 years undercutting US workers and go back with 30 years of pay.  President Trump just made it a lot more expensive for companies to hire foreign workers through the H-1B program. The White House announced Friday that Trump signed a proclamation requiring employers to pay a hefty $100,000 fee for new H-1B visa applications, an enormous jump from the current $215 lottery registration fee. H-1B visas allow U.S. companies to hire foreign workers in fields that typically require technical expertise like IT, engineering, mathematics, or medicine. The program is capped at 65,000 new visas annually, plus an additional 20,000 for foreign graduates with advanced degrees from U.S. universities. The visas are awarded through a lottery system and typically last three years, though holders can extend them or apply for green cards. The administration’s new move is designed to crack down on what it calls widespread abuse of the program, which it blames for displacing American workers. According to the White House, the share of IT workers with H-1B visas has skyrocketed from 32% in 2003 to over 65% today, while unemployment among recent computer science graduates has hit 6.1%. Silicon Valley will undoubtedly be up in arms over the initiative. The restrictions take aim at a program that helped create some of the region’s biggest success stories. Elon Musk, Trump’s close ally for most of this year, initially worked in the U.S. on an H-1B after arriving as a student. In fact, Musk, taking issue with a perceived critic of the H-1B program in December on his platform X, tweeted to the individual that, “The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B. Take a big step back and F*** YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.” Mike Krieger, the Instagram co-founder turned Chief Product Officer at AI giant Anthropic, is one of those aforementioned success stories. The Brazilian-born Stanford grad worked at the early instant messaging platform Meebo on an H-1B visa. Earlier this year, the National Venture Capital Association argued in a letter to the National Science Foundation that, “Raising the annual cap of H-1B visas issued each year to educated and highly skilled immigrants who work in jobs that require a substantial amount of technical and specialized training is fundamental to generating more successful immigrant-founded companies.” The NVCA noted that while “H-1B visas are not ideal for immigrants who want to immediately found companies in the U.S., they are still critically important for the success of immigrant founded companies because they provide valuable work experience and widen the pipeline of potential immigrant startup founders.” (The H-1B’s employer-employee requirement makes it practically impossible for founders to obtain directly, forcing them to spend years tied to employers before getting green cards that let them launch their own startups. When Krieger wanted to co-found Instagram in 2010, transferring his visa took months, and he has said he almost abandoned the startup before it launched due to those complications.) On Friday, tech leaders on X were already warning about talent fleeing to more welcoming countries. In the meantime, in its proclamation on Friday, the Trump administration went full bore on its criticism of the program, pointing to specific companies that approved thousands of H-1B workers while simultaneously laying off American employees. According to the White House fact sheet, one unnamed company received approval for 5,189 H-1B workers this fiscal year while cutting roughly 16,000 U.S. jobs. The proclamation — which says it is partly rooted in an effort to “protect our national security” — includes wiggle room; case-by-case exemptions are possible if deemed in the national interest. It also directs the Labor Secretary to revise wage requirements to prevent undercutting American salaries. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,278 Posted Saturday at 06:59 AM 2 hours ago, MikeMatt said: TL;dr No one needs to know that. Just pass if you have a cartoon attention span or don't care at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,985 Posted Saturday at 11:06 AM This is great. Now they need to cut all benefits from "asylum seekers", so we can watch them leave too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,989 Posted Saturday at 11:49 AM I used to work for a company that would bring in a bunch of Indian coders. They would put 8 Indians in a 2-bedroom apartment and pay them nothing. This is a really good bill everyone should agree on. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 507 Posted Saturday at 01:14 PM Basically this is the US sitting down at the sumptuous feast it’s been enjoying for a hundred years, picking up its steak knife & stabbing itself in the knee. EU, UK, Canada, China, India will profit. US will wilt. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,870 Posted Saturday at 01:19 PM it's been pretty disgusting, working in the IT industry for the last 30 years, watching this happen. The company I currently work for has a quarterly I.T. meeting and the most recent one was a couple of days ago. One of the things they do during these meetings is put up a slide of people celebrating significant anniversaries, 1 year, 5 year, 10 year, 15, 20, and 25. So when you look at the older anniversaries pretty much all the names of people are like Joe, Mary, Steve, etc....but as you move forward, especially from 10 years forward, you see this transition to more and more Indian sounding names to the point that the one year anniversaries the other day were like 3 American sounding names and 30 Indian ones. During his first term Trump was very careful to avoid changing the H-1B visa system so this is honestly a little surprising and I'm skeptical. But if true, good and long overdue. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,772 Posted Saturday at 01:20 PM This is good. Nice to see Trump not bending the knee to the tech bros. They will turn on him now. I have a friend that lost his job to some foreigners. Had to train them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,261 Posted Saturday at 02:34 PM 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Basically this is the US sitting down at the sumptuous feast it’s been enjoying for a hundred years, picking up its steak knife & stabbing itself in the knee. EU, UK, Canada, China, India will profit. US will wilt. Profit how? We can replace every single H1b with a US worker. Every single one. The record profits these companies have been making will just be less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,772 Posted Saturday at 02:50 PM You would think Gutterboy , who works in tech, and has young kids, would be happy. TDS prevents him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Saturday at 02:58 PM Yet more interference with capitalism and the free market. Yet another effective tax on the consumer. Hooray for socialism I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Saturday at 02:59 PM 24 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: The record profits these companies have been making will just be less. Sounds like an AOC speech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,772 Posted Saturday at 03:00 PM 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Yet more interference with capitalism and the free market. Yet another effective tax on the consumer. Hooray for socialism I guess. Had it handed to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,870 Posted Saturday at 03:30 PM As I feared this thing has a million loopholes. Won't have a significant effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Saturday at 04:12 PM 41 minutes ago, Strike said: As I feared this thing has a million loopholes. Won't have a significant effect. Hopefully not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 864 Posted Saturday at 04:57 PM 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Yet more interference with capitalism and the free market. Yet another effective tax on the consumer. Hooray for socialism I guess. Everyone doesn't get a business handed to them by their father and get to act like they worked their ass off.  Fock you and your BS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,136 Posted Saturday at 05:13 PM 15 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: Everyone doesn't get a business handed to them by their father and get to act like they worked their ass off.  Fock you and your BS. It’s capitalist to hire foreign scabs over Americans at a discount 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 469 Posted Saturday at 05:14 PM Some bathrooms and lunchrooms are about to smell a lot better. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,278 Posted Saturday at 07:50 PM 2 hours ago, BrahmaBulls said: Everyone doesn't get a business handed to them by their father and get to act like they worked their ass off.  Fock you and your BS. He's not even successful having been given everything. That's what happens when pampered little weaklings never have to earn anything in life. They end up being an extremely weak link in society. Aka, failures. That's Tim for ya.  1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,989 Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM To nobody's surprise the people who hate White Americans don't like this bill. Oy Vey hopefully nobody notices who many of them are... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Saturday at 08:05 PM 4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: To nobody's surprise the people who hate White Americans don't like this bill. Oy Vey hopefully nobody notices who many of them are... You know there was a time when I actually found your Jew hating to be somewhat novel. I don’t encounter this sort of bigotry and ignorance very often, and so I’ve spent some time here analyzing your posts trying to figure out “is this dude for real?”  But now it’s gotten boring. You repeat yourself endlessly. How many times are you going to throw out the “oy vey” line? Any interest I had is long gone; you’re just a pointless moron. Move along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,989 Posted Saturday at 08:10 PM Just now, The Real timschochet said: You know there was a time when I actually found your Jew hating to be somewhat novel. I don’t encounter this sort of bigotry and ignorance very often, and so I’ve spent some time here analyzing your posts trying to figure out “is this dude for real?”  But now it’s gotten boring. You repeat yourself endlessly. How many times are you going to throw out the “oy vey” line? Any interest I had is long gone; you’re just a pointless moron. Move along. I was here long before you boy-o! So you can fock off back to FBgeys. You try and hide behind words. So it must really sting for someone like me to call out your true intentions. Why are you on the other side of every single issue that is bad for white people? Why does your tribe hate us so much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,136 Posted Saturday at 08:11 PM 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You know there was a time when I actually found your Jew hating to be somewhat novel. I don’t encounter this sort of bigotry and ignorance very often, and so I’ve spent some time here analyzing your posts trying to figure out “is this dude for real?”  But now it’s gotten boring. You repeat yourself endlessly. How many times are you going to throw out the “oy vey” line? Any interest I had is long gone; you’re just a pointless moron. Move along. You are approximately as Jewish as a ham sandwich. You have zero observance of the Sabbath and all you do is lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
easilyscan 974 Posted Saturday at 08:38 PM 16 hours ago, kilroy69 said: I have been a recruiter for years now and this is focking amazing. I have watched as the H1B system has been abused. How us workers are overlooked for h1b candidates that will literally lie to you and tell you they have every skill you could possibly want and do the job for cheaper than an Amercian because the average salary in india is like 4100 usd a year. When they come here they can get more money in 3 years undercutting US workers and go back with 30 years of pay.  President Trump just made it a lot more expensive for companies to hire foreign workers through the H-1B program. The White House announced Friday that Trump signed a proclamation requiring employers to pay a hefty $100,000 fee for new H-1B visa applications, an enormous jump from the current $215 lottery registration fee. H-1B visas allow U.S. companies to hire foreign workers in fields that typically require technical expertise like IT, engineering, mathematics, or medicine. The program is capped at 65,000 new visas annually, plus an additional 20,000 for foreign graduates with advanced degrees from U.S. universities. The visas are awarded through a lottery system and typically last three years, though holders can extend them or apply for green cards. The administration’s new move is designed to crack down on what it calls widespread abuse of the program, which it blames for displacing American workers. According to the White House, the share of IT workers with H-1B visas has skyrocketed from 32% in 2003 to over 65% today, while unemployment among recent computer science graduates has hit 6.1%. Silicon Valley will undoubtedly be up in arms over the initiative. The restrictions take aim at a program that helped create some of the region’s biggest success stories. Elon Musk, Trump’s close ally for most of this year, initially worked in the U.S. on an H-1B after arriving as a student. In fact, Musk, taking issue with a perceived critic of the H-1B program in December on his platform X, tweeted to the individual that, “The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B. Take a big step back and F*** YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.” Mike Krieger, the Instagram co-founder turned Chief Product Officer at AI giant Anthropic, is one of those aforementioned success stories. The Brazilian-born Stanford grad worked at the early instant messaging platform Meebo on an H-1B visa. Earlier this year, the National Venture Capital Association argued in a letter to the National Science Foundation that, “Raising the annual cap of H-1B visas issued each year to educated and highly skilled immigrants who work in jobs that require a substantial amount of technical and specialized training is fundamental to generating more successful immigrant-founded companies.” The NVCA noted that while “H-1B visas are not ideal for immigrants who want to immediately found companies in the U.S., they are still critically important for the success of immigrant founded companies because they provide valuable work experience and widen the pipeline of potential immigrant startup founders.” (The H-1B’s employer-employee requirement makes it practically impossible for founders to obtain directly, forcing them to spend years tied to employers before getting green cards that let them launch their own startups. When Krieger wanted to co-found Instagram in 2010, transferring his visa took months, and he has said he almost abandoned the startup before it launched due to those complications.) On Friday, tech leaders on X were already warning about talent fleeing to more welcoming countries. In the meantime, in its proclamation on Friday, the Trump administration went full bore on its criticism of the program, pointing to specific companies that approved thousands of H-1B workers while simultaneously laying off American employees. According to the White House fact sheet, one unnamed company received approval for 5,189 H-1B workers this fiscal year while cutting roughly 16,000 U.S. jobs. The proclamation — which says it is partly rooted in an effort to “protect our national security” — includes wiggle room; case-by-case exemptions are possible if deemed in the national interest. It also directs the Labor Secretary to revise wage requirements to prevent undercutting American salaries. Remember reading a story about the same subject around 1993. It showed how IBM was laying off age 50+ US engineers, & replacing them with H-1B workers. If that wasn't a big enough kick in the nutz, they made them train their replacements and warned that if they didn't do a thorough job, they wouldn't give them a + reference.   1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 864 Posted Saturday at 09:19 PM 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: You know there was a time when I actually found your Jew hating to be somewhat novel. I don’t encounter this sort of bigotry and ignorance very often, and so I’ve spent some time here analyzing your posts trying to figure out “is this dude for real?”  But now it’s gotten boring. You repeat yourself endlessly. How many times are you going to throw out the “oy vey” line? Any interest I had is long gone; you’re just a pointless moron. Move along. You're the most convenient jew I've ever met. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Saturday at 10:02 PM 41 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: You're the most convenient jew I've ever met. You and @Dizkneelande are really embarrassing yourselves with these posts. A clear anti-Semite shows up spreading his ignorant drivel and rather than attack him the two of you attack me instead. Not that I care but you guys just look pathetic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,136 Posted Saturday at 10:18 PM 16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You and @Dizkneelande are really embarrassing yourselves with these posts. A clear anti-Semite shows up spreading his ignorant drivel and rather than attack him the two of you attack me instead. Not that I care but you guys just look pathetic. Yet here you are fake jew Muktzeh (Set Aside):Electronics that are used on Shabbat are considered muktzeh, meaning they are forbidden to be touched or moved, even if not actively used. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 864 Posted Saturday at 10:26 PM 23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You and @Dizkneelande are really embarrassing yourselves with these posts. A clear anti-Semite shows up spreading his ignorant drivel and rather than attack him the two of you attack me instead. Not that I care but you guys just look pathetic. You are a fake, convenient jew. Most things about you are fake. Sorry you don't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,870 Posted Saturday at 10:40 PM 37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You and @Dizkneelande are really embarrassing yourselves with these posts. A clear anti-Semite shows up spreading his ignorant drivel and rather than attack him the two of you attack me instead. Not that I care but you guys just look pathetic. At least he doesn't hide it. You continue to pretend you're a Jew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,989 Posted Saturday at 11:04 PM 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: You and @Dizkneelande are really embarrassing yourselves with these posts. A clear anti-Semite shows up spreading his ignorant drivel and rather than attack him the two of you attack me instead. Not that I care but you guys just look pathetic. Why are you so Anti-White? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,136 Posted Saturday at 11:40 PM 1 hour ago, Strike said: At least he doesn't hide it. You continue to pretend you're a Jew. We will now refer to him as JINO 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,278 Posted Saturday at 11:56 PM 15 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: We will now refer to him as JINO Timcrotch is a JINO. Perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,869 Posted Sunday at 12:05 AM 9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Yet more interference with capitalism and the free market. Yet another effective tax on the consumer. Hooray for socialism I guess. it's interesting how a free market consists of other countries having tariffs on the US, but not the US having tariffs on them... or people coming from foreign countries to take jobs away from Americans. Interesting how Tim only wants the Us to play by these "free market" rules and thinks that the shiit other countries do would ever allow there to be a true free market. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,166 Posted Sunday at 12:47 AM 37 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: it's interesting how a free market consists of other countries having tariffs on the US, but not the US having tariffs on them... or people coming from foreign countries to take jobs away from Americans. Interesting how Tim only wants the Us to play by these "free market" rules and thinks that the shiit other countries do would ever allow there to be a true free market. No it’s not interesting at all. It’s idiotic that you and others think we can fix this problem by punishing our own consumers. We can’t; we only make it worse. The only way to fix the issue you’re talking about is to raise consumer levels abroad, so that folks in China, India  and all the rest have close to the same purchasing power that Americans do. And the only way to do that is to have unilateral free trade no matter what other nations do. If you read Milton Friedman you would know this (but then he was another non-practicing Jew.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,278 Posted Sunday at 12:55 AM 7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: No it’s not interesting at all. It’s idiotic that you and others think we can fix this problem by punishing our own consumers. I'm an actual consumer and am not punished by any of this. Get rid of the foreigners. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,869 Posted Sunday at 01:13 AM 28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: No it’s not interesting at all. It’s idiotic that you and others think we can fix this problem by punishing our own consumers. We can’t; we only make it worse. The only way to fix the issue you’re talking about is to raise consumer levels abroad, so that folks in China, India  and all the rest have close to the same purchasing power that Americans do. And the only way to do that is to have unilateral free trade no matter what other nations do. If you read Milton Friedman you would know this (but then he was another non-practicing Jew.) Why would I care if he is a Jew or not? Actually it's idiotic that you can't understand the broader goal behind tariffs. I'm just going to use China, as an example, since liberal heroes have clamored for fair trade specifically with China in the past (it's just bad now because Trump). The amount of products, parts, etc that we import from China because they make all this stuff cheaply (with their top notch labor practices that you would scream to the heavens about if it was happening over here) creates millions of jobs for their people. When our tariffs on their products are super low, there is no reason for us to look internally. Capitalism, baby. They place high tariffs on the US, which further dissuades them from importing from us, thus having a minimal positive impact on job creation here. how do you propose we fix these issues or how does Friedman propose we do? Should we encourage a weaker dollar? How do we push China to change their currency and trade practices? Do you really think the issue lies in Chinese folks purchasing power? It sounds to me like you are suggesting if we lower tariffs on China and reduce trade barriers with China, which would lower the prices of imported US goods for their citizens, that Chinese economic growth and purchasing power for its citizens would theoretically improve... yet a decade ago when tariffs on China were lower, they were not purchasing our goods. Their own government gives them little reason to.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites