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71% of voters think politically motivated violence in the United States today is a very serious problem

58% think it will not be possible to lower the temperature on political rhetoric and speech in the United States

28% of adults say the country is on the right track

53% of voters say they are pessimistic about freedom of speech being protected in the United States

53% of voters say democracy is not working

83% of voters think political leaders are more interested in blaming others about gun violence

38% of voters approve of Trump

33% of voters approve of RFKjr

67% of voters approve of vaccine requirements for kids

42% of voters say they have cut spending on non-essential items compared to one year ago

 

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3932

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/new-poll-voters-to-blame-republicans-for-shutdown

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12 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

why does anyone post a poll anymore?

So that those of us that put at least a little value into what the populace is thinking are better informed.

I've been thinking of posting one just to get @supermike80's canned "polls are fun!" response. 😛

 

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We are most definitely in a political crisis. Even if there's a blue wave next year, I fully expect MAGA to start in again with the stolen election nonsense. That will be their calling card in every election they lose, with the possible exception of the deep blue districts (assuming any survive after the many new gerrymanders). If the Hispanic vote in the newly drawn TX districts goes south for Republicans, they'll be crying foul HARD. They are seemingly no longer capable of realizing their own mistakes, and absolutely refuse to admit them even if they could.

And then there's the grossly ineffectual, rudderless ship that is the DNC. The adults in the room have all gone fetal, are sucking their thumbs and pointing fingers. Useless fockers.

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Not surprised people feel this way when I've read about four or five posts on reddit, IG, or FB saying that we are "living in 1940s Germany." 

I can assure you, we are not. 

 

Or when leaders like Gavin Newsome are saying, "I am afraid there will be no 2028 election."  But, people are got to believe what they want. 🤷‍♀️

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21 minutes ago, Fnord said:

So that those of us that put at least a little value into what the populace is thinking are better informed.

I've been thinking of posting one just to get @supermike80's canned "polls are fun!" response. 😛

 

oh oh oh

polls are fun

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35 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

why does anyone post a poll anymore?

Polls are a snapshot in time and an indicator of public opinion, which may or may not be accurate depending who is doing the polling and their methodology. 

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Of course we are. Biden left us a gigantic mess. It takes time to settle things down. We’ll be fine 

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Polls are a snapshot in time and an indicator of public opinion, which may or may not be accurate depending on if I agree with the polling and their methodology. 

Fixed that for you

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37 minutes ago, Fnord said:

So that those of us that put at least a little value into what the populace is thinking are better informed.

I've been thinking of posting one just to get @supermike80's canned "polls are fun!" response. 😛

 

 

12 minutes ago, squistion said:

Polls are a snapshot in time and an indicator of public opinion, which may or may not be accurate depending who is doing the polling and their methodology. 

I think you 2 are fooling yourself a bit here. Polls are fodder to justify something..an idea or position. Will they reflect the populace? Only by random chance imo.

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1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

 

I think you 2 are fooling yourself a bit here. Polls are fodder to justify something..an idea or position. Will they reflect the populace? Only by random chance imo.

I certainly don’t buy into @supermike80’s claim that they don’t mean anything. There are outliers, sometimes they get stuff wrong, but for the most part they reflect opinion fairly well. 

That being said they don’t matter right now too much. They will matter a year from now as we approach the midterms. By then it seems unlikely that the public will be focused on any of the issues they are focused on now with two exceptions: the economy and healthcare (the latter because of the Big Ugly Bill.) Those two, IMO, are the constants. Specifically if prices don’t come down Republicans will be in huge trouble. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I certainly don’t buy into @supermike80’s claim that they don’t mean anything. There are outliers, sometimes they get stuff wrong, but for the most part they reflect opinion fairly well. 

That being said they don’t matter right now too much. They will matter a year from now as we approach the midterms. By then it seems unlikely that the public will be focused on any of the issues they are focused on now with two exceptions: the economy and healthcare (the latter because of the Big Ugly Bill.) Those two, IMO, are the constants. Specifically if prices don’t come down Republicans will be in huge trouble. 

Huge, bigly huge trouble, blue wave huge

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I certainly don’t buy into @supermike80’s claim that they don’t mean anything. There are outliers, sometimes they get stuff wrong, but for the most part they reflect opinion fairly well. 

That being said they don’t matter right now too much. They will matter a year from now as we approach the midterms. By then it seems unlikely that the public will be focused on any of the issues they are focused on now with two exceptions: the economy and healthcare (the latter because of the Big Ugly Bill.) Those two, IMO, are the constants. Specifically if prices don’t come down Republicans will be in huge trouble. 

And voters will remember that Trump and Republicans blamed Biden/Democrats for inflation and promised he would bring down prices starting on Day 1 (which is the main reason why he won). 

 

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25 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Huge, bigly huge trouble, blue wave huge

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Do you disagree that if prices don’t come down Republicans will be in trouble? As in lose the House of Representatives? If you disagree make your case. 

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17 minutes ago, squistion said:

And voters will remember that Trump and Republicans blamed Biden/Democrats for inflation and promised he would bring down prices starting on Day 1 (which is the main reason why he won). 

 

totally

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

 If you disagree make your case. 

 

Of course I disagree, no sane person will ever vote Dem again

 

You don't tell me what to do, you're not my daddy

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37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is true. There are, however, a few parallels to 1920s Germany. 

True. Anti -Semitism is on the rise. Look at the college campuses. Our future. 

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40 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is true. There are, however, a few parallels to 1920s Germany. 

Yes the hyperinflation really does parallels with today or is this just a way to get nazi into the conversation without saying it

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Tim falls into the silly belief that voters are single issue people.  Abortion, now inflation....He doesn't realize that people consider other things too

Immigration

Safety

National Security

Public safety

Investment returns and growth

Anti Woke sentiment

The fact that the democratic party is continuing to skew way way left.

The fact that there is no serious leadership on the left. No plan.  And they are battling internally.

But yeah, voters will only pick inflation and there will be a giant blue wave.

Simple minds 

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6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Yes the hyperinflation really does parallels with today or is this just a way to get nazi into the conversation without saying it

No we don’t have hyperinflation. But there are a few parallels. Here’s one of them: in the 1920s the conservative right in Germany became obsessed with transsexual culture with Berlin in other large cities and it played a big role in the rise of the Nazis as Hitler promised to restore “cultural order”. 
 

Another parallel is the Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems. You guys blame undocumented immigrants and Muslims. It’s always the outsider. 

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Tim falls into the silly belief that voters are single issue people.  Abortion, now inflation....He doesn't realize that people consider other things too

Immigration

Safety

National Security

Public safety

Investment returns and growth

Anti Woke sentiment

The fact that the democratic party is continuing to skew way way left.

The fact that there is no serious leadership on the left. No plan.  And they are battling internally.

But yeah, voters will only pick inflation and there will be a giant blue wave.

Simple minds 

Most voters are not and have never been single issue.  But in terms of priorities there are very rare times that the economy isn’t #1. 
 

It’s important to add that on most of the other issues you’re naming, particularly immigration, safety, and national security, Trump and the Republicans are underwater. So it’s hard to claim these will help them. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No we don’t have hyperinflation. But there are a few parallels. Here’s one of them: in the 1920s the conservative right in Germany became obsessed with transsexual culture with Berlin in other large cities and it played a big role in the rise of the Nazis as Hitler promised to restore “cultural order”. 
 

Another parallel is the Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems. You guys blame undocumented immigrants and Muslims. It’s always the outsider. 

Link?

No we blame Liberals, not outsiders

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Most voters are not and have never been single issue.  But in terms of priorities there are very rare times that the economy isn’t #1. 
 

It’s important to add that on most of the other issues you’re naming, particularly immigration, safety, and national security, Trump and the Republicans are underwater. So it’s hard to claim these will help them. 

You sir, are 100% single issue in your posts here and always always have been

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No we don’t have hyperinflation. But there are a few parallels. Here’s one of them: in the 1920s the conservative right in Germany became obsessed with transsexual culture with Berlin in other large cities and it played a big role in the rise of the Nazis as Hitler promised to restore “cultural order”. 
 

Another parallel is the Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems. You guys blame undocumented immigrants and Muslims. It’s always the outsider. 

Tim, the term "transgender" wasn't coined until 1965, so Germans in the 20's or 30's could hardly be obsessed with transexual culture. However I have read that Berlin had a significant openly gay culture that centered in cabarets in Berlin (which many perceived as decadent). 

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16 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Deport or exile the complainers.  Problem solved. 

This should have been done 3 years ago. Too late now.

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36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Another parallel is the Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems. You guys blame undocumented immigrants and Muslims. It’s always the outsider. 

Absolutely stunning take

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1 hour ago, Meglamaniac said:

oh oh oh

polls are fun

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Thanks but you were supposed to wait until I posted one. Appreciate the effort, though.

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2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

71% of voters think politically motivated violence in the United States today is a very serious problem

58% think it will not be possible to lower the temperature on political rhetoric and speech in the United States

28% of adults say the country is on the right track

53% of voters say they are pessimistic about freedom of speech being protected in the United States

53% of voters say democracy is not working

83% of voters think political leaders are more interested in blaming others about gun violence

38% of voters approve of Trump

33% of voters approve of RFKjr

67% of voters approve of vaccine requirements for kids

42% of voters say they have cut spending on non-essential items compared to one year ago

 

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3932

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/new-poll-voters-to-blame-republicans-for-shutdown

America has been in a crises for a lonnnng time.   Thanks for catching up 

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Just now, HellToupee said:

Absolutely stunning take

Stunning how? Make your case.

I fully agree with Tim. For these movements to work, there needs to be a scapegoat. Immigrants. Transexuals. Far left. Now according to members of the current admin, all democrats are extremists devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals and illegals. That's very close to a direct quote. 

Tim isn't saying concentration camps are imminent or comparing MAGA to National Socialism. Simply pointing out the parallels, which are VERY real.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wait, I thought all righties thought the admin and team was doing awesome?

I can think of one achievement: they coronated a king/emperor by rolling over and being mindless supplicants. THANKS GOP!

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7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Stunning how? Make your case.

I fully agree with Tim. For these movements to work, there needs to be a scapegoat. Immigrants. Transexuals. Far left. Now according to members of the current admin, all democrats are extremists devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals and illegals. That's very close to a direct quote. 

Tim isn't saying concentration camps are imminent or comparing MAGA to National Socialism. Simply pointing out the parallels, which are VERY real.

Besides the centuries old antisemitism tropes of Europe added with the economic issues of WW1Germany had with their Jewish population with war bonds vs gold. Zero parallels with illegals

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3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Besides the centuries old antisemitism tropes of Europe added with the economic issues of WW1Germany had with their Jewish population with war bonds vs gold. Zero parallels with illegals

Agree to disagree then. At this point, respectfully, I don't think you're capable of seeing anything negative about this admin. Or at the very least you're incapable of acknowledging it publicly.

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28 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Agree to disagree then. At this point, respectfully, I don't think you're capable of seeing anything negative about this admin. Or at the very least you're incapable of acknowledging it publicly.

I’ve been very critical Bondi. Horrible choice and he’s mishandled a couple of things

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57 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Agree to disagree then. At this point, respectfully, I don't think you're capable of seeing anything negative about this admin. Or at the very least you're incapable of acknowledging it publicly.

Bondi is not good.  
 

Your turn.  

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